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I don’t have much time to write this, so I probably won’t do this topic justice but I will try — short version, guys don’t like sluts.
In a world where people say, “Don’t slut shame” it’s not a message you hear very much, but I have heard many a man say so around the manosphere.
Young women are sold this message that to have sex “like a man” with whoever and whenever you want is “empowering.” What’s good for the gander is good for the goose, right?
But what this theory leaves out is that it’s not as easy for men to find women to have sex with as it is for women to find men to have sex with. All guys aren’t just going out and having casual sex whenever they want. They may wish, but even seasoned players like this guy, who literally makes a living trying to get laid and teaching other guys how to do it too, will admit, even for him, it can be hard to get sex.
The reality is the men women are having sex with aren’t “the average guys.” In the real world, about 20% of guys are getting 80% of the casual sex action. The top guys. The guys all gals want. Even the good looking but average guys, not so much.
Meanwhile even average to below average looking girls can pretty easily find someone to have sex with. He likely won’t want a relationship, or to marry her, but he’ll have a go. Maybe even more than once. Maybe he will even add her to his booty call list. He won’t judge her for sleeping with him. He’ll actually encourage it. It’s in his best interest. But is it in hers?
You see, women make the mistake of *projecting* it’s just as easy for guys to get laid as it is for girls. But it’s not.
And, the guys in the 80% who want to have a girlfriend, a wife, and regular sex who aren’t getting it, they do care if a girl is a slut. In fact, she doesn’t even have to be “a slut.” They care if she’s even semi-promiscuous. They care how many other men she’s slept with. They care if she’s ok with casual sex or one night stands. And if she is they value her less, as a potential serious partner, for doing these things.
There, I said it. I have a feeling it is not a popular thing to say, but I think far too many women don’t realize this, at their own doom. Ladies, I am not telling you what to do with your body, but I am telling you the “nobody cares anymore” thing is a myth.
Why do men care? It’s actually not about a moral judgement, although that’s what kept women from sleeping around in millennia past. It’s biological. Even in a world with birth control, this is ancient programming and not easily overwritten. In the past having sex meant making babies. And if a woman was having sex with multiple men, she was a risk.
See, a women knows 100% that a baby in her belly is hers. A man, especially in the days before over the counter paternity tests, does not. He’s taking a big risk and is putting a lot of faith in the gal to believe that’s HIS baby. This is a hard concept for women to grasp I think, because they would never be in that situation.
But imagine if you went to the hospital and had a baby. And then they just handed you a random baby from the nursery, and said the baby was yours. Sure, you would think the baby was cute, and you would probably love it and care for it, but wouldn’t you really want to take home and raise YOUR baby? Wouldn’t you wonder if it was your baby, and if not where your baby was and how it was doing? So why would a guy not feel the same?
That’s why men don’t like sluts. Or as a male friend put it, “Oh we like sluts, but not for a girlfriend or wife.”
Men value loyalty and fidelity very, very highly. If you want a good man, you should be protecting your asset, which is your self. Women hold the key to sex. Likewise, men hold the key to commitment. This used to be the trade – sex for commitment. But in a world where women are handing out their key, men are withdrawing their side of the deal as well. Fair is fair.
This post may bring on a hail of hate rain, I am talking a big risk calling a spade a spade here, but if you don’t believe me, just ask the guys. They will tell you it’s true. I am only trying to help women understand it, for their own sake, before it’s too late and her only option left is dealing with the fallout.
Let those with ears hear.
But, but….slut walks! They’re so empowering.
…side note I’ve always wondered about the purpose of slut walks. That’s a bit like “challenging racism” by starting a “N word” march and insisting everyone wear huge afro wigs, bones through their noses, and eat fried chicken and watermelon slices.
Liz, you never fail me! Lol! I agree, I am not sure that owning the slut title is such a good thing.
And now I am going to be offline for several hours so if all hell breaks loose, help me out guys! 😀
Hey everyone Bloom is gone! (rummages through her fridge…takes out the ice cream, eats with a spoon right out of the box).
Finds the liquor cabinet!! Woohoo!
Toga! Toga! Toga! 😛
Now I’ll talk about more random thoughts by Liz.
I don’t just think about slut walks in my musings, I think about other stuff too. Like Vampire films. What’s up with those? Why all that blood? I mean, I get it, they like blood. I really like pumpkin pie but I don’t rub it all over my face and hair like a scene from Carrie (men will immediately think of jiz now. Jiz all over a woman’s face. What’s up with that? It stings the eyes, seriously take one hit directly and your eye will be red for 48 hours. I once got a stye that way…
Oh, wait…I’m not helping prevent hell from breaking loose am I?
I blame the cough syrup. I have a head cold and sore today.
I’ll be good…. 🙂
head cold and sore throat, intended to say. (hacks into kleenex)
Lol! Not quite gone yet but I see he’ll breaking loose is underway! Liz, Liz, Liz!!!!!
Maybe you should post the link on jezabel Liz! Lol. Now that would be some hell breaking loose!
Rule #1 in life: somebody always has a bigger plane, bigger house, bigger bank account, bigger …
Therefore, real concern I have with promiscuous girls, in the context of an LTR, is the odds are that she is an alpha widow. A lot of stuff has been published recently that most wives do not consider their husband their best sexual experience, and further, most wives have a secret Plan B (and C…) man in the back of their minds. So the high-traffic female presents a profound risk of future sexual disinterest in her mate.
I never used to understand why my several of my ex-girlfriends, and ex-wife, remained available for sex. All of them are married.
I never use the word ‘slut’ (well, unless I’m asked to while in the throes) and don’t remember doing so in any public or personal context. You better believe I think it. My filter for women has only 3-4 elements, but promiscuity/sexual modesty is one of them. I have one friend now putting the ‘visit for Christmas’ moves on me, and she and I are very close in several ways. But the time she said in shock “I’ve had 50 times the number of lovers as you!” is something impossible to forget. And she is someone who spends a lot of time with el primo alpha studs. Last evening she was quietly alluding to her rationales (in the past, I assume) for affairs with married guys; this is another flashing and squawking anunciator. Sex-pozzie feminism has blowback unless one is fine with open relationships.
And last, I have the misfortune of spending some time with a woman who is also an gynecological surgeon. Want to get the facts on veneral disease and its general distribution? Initiate an affair with a woman who treats the female population for, among other things, VD issues. The first time we hit the motel I’m surprised I didn’t wind up in a hazmat suit, she was so cautious.
Incidentally, in France it’s illegal to do DNA testing on one’s own child. In many USA states it’s illegal to abridge child support if the child is shown not to be the father’s. Men are disposable checkbooks constrained by the state to financially support children, irrespective of who fathered them or whether the children are permitted to even see their fathers.
Liz,
Ice cream strqaight from the carto9n? You have been hanging around bachelors.
Hey everybody! Molly showed me a new emoticon. 🐻 If it comes through, to figure out the code, hover your cursor over it.
Now as for sluts, boys don’t get the opportunity to be that way. Maybe the top twenty percent do but, forthe rest, not gonna happen. I do remember a male commenter being told outright, by a gal he was interested in, that boys are divided into two groups. one for folling around with and one for marriage.
He believes he has been punsihed for his virtue.
Fuzzy, the algorithm girls use actually has three columns: Marry, Fuck, Just Go Away and Die. And people ask, What do women want???? They know exactly what they want.
🐻
Awesome emoticon!!
testing, testing…
:slut bear:
:skank bear:
:spermed bear:
:spunked bear:
:tranny bear:
:thai hooker bear:
one of these has to work…(I blame the cough medicine)
Buena Vista,
Having been placed in column three enough times, you’d think I’d get the message. It didn’t used to be that extreme. Column three fas “find another girl”.
In your comment before last, you did mention the wealth of experience that is obtainable. another contadiction for you to ponder, there is a question that OkCupid asks, “more or less experience”. Invariably, women want a man with more experience.
I don’t know how to cook fried ice.
Liz,
Let’s try some more,
:girl bear:
:mama bear:
:wife bear:
:dancing bear:
:honey bear:
Something tells me that I will have as much success with wholesome as you did with what you tried.
🐻
It’s not a wholesome topic Fuzzie. 😛
Column three is fun, to be sure. But not as risky as the “Marry” column. As far as the “I’d Do Him” column, as we seem to be entering a full-throated Accusation Culture (I expect it to get worse, not better, because of the UVa scandal reveal) it’s certainly changing my behavior. Any hint of stripped gears or frayed wiring in a woman’s head and I’m returning to my reading chair.
I’ve heard the 80/20 rule used in the manosphere a lot…nearly every time the topic of sex is brought up. But I’ve never seen a link to a study about it. I’d like to read up about it, because if it’s true then it has great potential for science, what with mitochondrial DNA and all. I’ll try to do some cross searches tonight, but if anyone (maybe Liz?) has actually seen studies in regards to this I’d greatly appreciate a link! 😀
BuenaVista,
As for the Univ. of Va. scandal, Rolling Stone haqs printed a retraction. The attorney for the accused fraternity found holes big enough in the story to drive buses through.
If you’re being cautious, I should be terrified.
Tarnished,
The 80/20 rule is known elsewhere as the Pareto Principle. Hope that helps.
Myth. I love sluts. I’d much rather pursue a woman who has had many partners over one who hasn’t for two reasons. One she likely knows what she likes and isnt afraid to tell me, and two she likely knows what she likes and if it ain’t me shell let me know.
Below is the OK Cupid report showing that women find 80% of men below average in looks. The data on the flip side (men evaluating women) follows a normal bell curve distribution. Translated, 80% of men are in the forbidden zone, column three; men evaluate the range of women more rationally.
Online dating is unkind to short men or men with average features and men who cannot signal resources; literally, “average” to the female sample is 80% of men, and they are simply unacceptable to female evaluators. Tinder (all image-based) magnifies this phenomenon.
Attractive men who indicate they have resources and the capacity to sustain a relationship, meanwhile, are bombed with interest. They are the target. There are no outer rings of interest for the other 80%, so they need to Go Away and Die.
In Manosphere terms, women who might score a 4-7 have no compunction about offering sweets and treats to men out of their league (8-10), because they are the only ones who are not “below average.” This is where you find promiscuous women, incidentally. By offering sex they get their hookups with men who would otherwise have no interest.
So that’s your 80/20 rule in a nutshell.
http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dating/
And … Wilson with his sample set of one. That’s some hardcore analysis.
Tinder dynamics. Not for the faint of heart. Sounds like a cable tv show, arriving in the spring:
Click twice to enlarge.
BuenaVista,
Eighty percent of men can’t be told to “Go away and die” without some serious consequences. I don’t know how this will play out.
Agreed, though very few think of these things as we do until they’ve been through the meat grinder. It’s a little like the aphorism about conservatives: a liberal who’s been mugged. And usually it takes more than a single mugging to wake a guy out of his daze.
I finally clicked twice to enlarge. It became legible and I became less innocent.
Jesus dude get out of the house, what the fuck is wrong with you people. Go talk to a girl, they arent aliens. Fucking nerds.
Bang to many women and wilson is pissy
Dont bang enough and she is pissy
Trolls are a riot
“I love sluts. I’d much rather pursue a woman who has had many partners over one who hasn’t for two reasons. One she likely knows what she likes and isnt afraid to tell me, and two she likely knows what she likes and if it ain’t me shell let me know.”
I see.
Is it a linear equation like the number of ballsacks is directly proportional to skill level or is there some point of diminishing returns? Like anything after 50 is just “gravy” or something?
Liz,
To answer your question seriously, when the numbers start getting ridiculous, i.e. prostitute, the potential for fidelity and loyalty improves. I don’t want to link but, the Social Pathologist has covered it on his blog.
Then, there the stories of Flora from John Steinbeck’s Cannery Row getting her former employees married off to gentlmen from Salinas with no issues.
Fuzzie: “when the numbers start getting ridiculous, i.e. prostitute, the potential for fidelity and loyalty improves.”
That’s interesting, but makes sense, to a certain degree. I’m sure after enough time and balls sacks they’re kaput. I’ll bet sex is like work for them too…since it was, literally, work for them.
Side note about prostitutes, a (single, divorced) pilot friend of ours has comprised a list of places with prostitutes who are “safe to go down on”.
I wonder a few things:
1) Why on earth would anyone go down on a prostitute?
2) Does anyone ever wonder where that mouth (and in this case crotch) have been?
Same with sluts. Wilson…do you kiss those sluts? Go down on them? I’m sure they know what they like but are you ever worried about getting the ‘buttered bun’ experience?
Liz,
I just had two thoughts.
First, men go to professionals for all sorts of reasons. One is that they get a chance to learn and apply a technique that works without judgement.
Second, some guys have a heightened arousal should they have a responsive partner. Now, that is a happy thought!
Hey BV, Presley (from your link) is a nanny!
https://www.sittercity.com/nanny/il/dekalb/10399057
Fuzzie: “First, men go to professionals for all sorts of reasons. One is that they get a chance to learn and apply a technique that works without judgement.
Second, some guys have a heightened arousal should they have a responsive partner. Now, that is a happy thought!”
The scene with the prostitute and Clooney in The American is probably one of the hottest scenes I’ve ever seen on film…but the whole time I was thinking exactly that. She’s a prostitute! What are you doing down there? Someone else might have just been there…I’m too hygienic to fathom that.
The friend of ours tours the world making this list…which means he’s been down on thai hookers and all sorts of others (and keep in mind the reason there’s a list…they don’t all make the ‘safe’ list which means he’s been foiled enough times to want to make a list).
Liz, I agree about that scene, if you’re referring to when they are at the edenic stream.
However, in the original novel, Clara is a student who only moonlights for book money at the bordello, and after meeting Clooney declines all other men. (They do always include a second girl, however, until he suggests that they marry and move to America.) The novel is even more compelling than the movie, which movie I am extremely fond of, so I recommend it. I also find Violante Placido breathtaking, dressed or otherwise.
Novel reference: A Very Private Gentleman, by Martin Booth.
Wilson, thanks for the advice. One reason I agree with Bloom and speculate that you are about 19 is that you make broad and sweeping statements about people you know nothing about. I have more girlfriends than time, and they are not sluts. Could be one of them is yours.
Fuzzie, a remark you made yesterday bothered me.
” … another contadiction for you to ponder, there is a question that OkCupid asks, “more or less experience”. Invariably, women want a man with more experience.
I don’t know how to cook fried ice.”
I think you sell yourself short here, and reference my comment that some man always has more of something that we do. It truly is a relative condition in all cases. No two man match up with a hypothetical ideal. Taking it outside the sexual realm, the easiest one is money. I blew up a very important relationship once (should have married her) because, at bottom, I really didn’t think I ‘matched up’ financially. I sold myself short. She didn’t care in the slightest, not once, and she married the next guy she dated. He sells radio advertising. That guy was a lot smarter than I.
I think there are instances where we should just say ‘fuck it’. If someone wants to reject us because we don’t properly fill out their bingo card/checklist compared to some hypothetical dude around the corner, best to get it over with anyway.
The same logic applies to age, height, smarts, charm, resources, job … not just sexual experience. Granted we’re more vulnerable when nude, but it’s pretty shitty to have a woman say ” … and my last boyfriend had a Hawker that he flew to his house at St. Bart’s with me in it” too. We have to ignore this stuff.
I had no idea that was a movie based on a novel, BV. Think I’ll purchase that one.
I agree on Violante Placido. Anyone who looks like that would have to have a very perfect, tidy, undercarriage area.
@ Liz and Presley is also studying to be a dental hygenist! Good thing they wear gloves, right??
BuenaVista,
My issue was that OkCupid girls expect to get swept off their feet by charming rogues who have more experience. When you get down to it, they expect the fantasy made real. It’s more than annoying when you consider how rare it is for a man to accumulate those numbers.
I could be turning bitter but, this is crazy.
Another thought in reference to Presley. Wht if a kind, innocent young man her age expresses an interest? More than likely, she’ll put him in his place and do enough damage that he”l think several times before putting his neck out again.
See if new emotimollys work:
:palmface:
:momface:
And this:
(they might not work. Here goes!)
Ouch!
Bloom your wordpress is not as strong as spawny’s! Must be older.
I saw the dental hygienist thing too, Bloom. Yes, gloves are good. Ick!
Fuzzie: “What if a kind, innocent young man her age expresses an interest? More than likely, she’ll put him in his place and do enough damage that he”l think several times before putting his neck out again.”
Between the above and the one about women mentioning “some guys are for fun, some are to marry” it seems like the sexes have somehow become 180 out reversed. I do worry about my sons. A lot.
Even young girls are unbelieveably aggressive these days. This last Halloween, freshmen in highschool were walking around in stuff that belonged in their mom’s lingerie drawer, one even had handcuffs attached to her fishnet stocking garter belt. These are not girls with fathers at home who give a damn, at all.
See how Spawny’s wordpress handled it:
http://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2014/12/04/mgtow-hitting-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-4261
😀
Fuzzy, you need to learn to say “fuck it, I’m going for it.” Who cares what they think. They’re all strangers. (I’m not going to do the anecdotal thing and swap horrifying date tales.)
Salesmen learn early, that “I have to get through all my No’s! in order to get to a yes.” CBT: change the way you think about no’s. They’re a leading indicator of a yes. By arithmetic definition, you must work through your no’s to get to a yes. Or, believe in luck. Luck is never a strategy.
You overrate OKCupid: basically, it’s a hookup scene for the serial monogamists. If you’d like some LTR romance with your online labors, try Match. OKC: screw, then talk. Match: talk, then discuss marriage prematurely, then screw and say, “I never do this!”
If you’re unhappy with the ‘experience’ measure on OKC, do what the women do: lie through your teeth. And FYI, most women are incompetent or lazy in the sack, so it’s not like your strolling onto Soldier Field to play middle linebacker for the Bears-Packers. More like pee-wee football where everybody gets a trophy.
Failing that, pro’s are cheaper than RomCom dating binges and certainly cheaper than divorce.
Fuzzie is cool!
Can we extend bear emoticon?
2 bears walking abreast down the street:
🐻 🙄 🐻
roll baby roll!
BuenaVista,
Thanks for the pep talk. At this point, I don’t know what to do. So, doing nothing may be a good idea.
Liz,
In mentioning your sons, I got worried too. One of these modern contemporary disguised Medusas could turn them upside down. The best defense for them is confidence and an abundance mentality.
As for the 1801 degreee turn, there are differences. In the old days, there were some restraints on men. Today, “yougogirll” is encouraging them to crush their spirits beyond repair.
Molly,
Is it just me or we having a hard time trying to figure out what you’re saying?:burrito: :bear::froll: 🌯
Fuzzie, try:
2 bears walking a breast down the street: 🐻 🙄 🐻
😀 Hahahahaha!
Fuzzie you mean “2 bears walking abreast down the street”?
Try “2 bears walking a breast down the street” 🐻 🙄 🐻
Hahahaha!
Liz, I would be very worried about the boys. When I took my son to college I suggested that he not do anything with girls after 10 pm, only have sex for the first time in the morning, and that I would leave him in jail with any alcohol related offense. I told him to watch: 4-5 boys a year will be destroyed by party-sex/rape allegations. (I estimated low.) He thought I was being mean and extremely weird. Fortunately, he graduated with only a 105 mph in a 55 on his head, and I was proud of him for that. He’s a good stick.
Fuzzy, sending a male child to school with PUA guidelines is a recipe for total disaster.
BuenaVista,
I should clarify myself. My concern was for the boys’ psyche.They can turn boys inside out while stomping on his heart and making him believe he deserves it.
As for higher education, it’s a sexually hostile enviornment for men. That would be the legal definition.
Molly,
🐻 🙄 🐻
Was that it?
Fuzzie, yes at my end it shows that way at:
(https://notesfromaredpillgirl.com/2014/12/05/guys-dont-like-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-1242).
By “that way” I mean “2 bears walking abreast down the street”: 🐻 🙄 🐻
Did it not show that way at your end too? It should also appear “that way” in my 2 comments at top of this new page. Doesn’t matter, the humour if any has passed.
My two cents… I’m beyond a doubt one of the 80% of guys who just really can’t get a date. If I do by some miracle, I can fucking tell you there is going to be something wrong with the girl. You are so right about everything you wrote lol.
Possibly with me an exception would be, I am one of the 80% who also doesn’t care how many guys a girl has been with. So she can get it, so she can enjoy it. Fuck I wish I could too! No problems with that what so ever. 🙂
Maybe the reason Roosh can’t get laid all the time is because he’s an ugly fuck with hair growing out of his ears, and he’s not always lucky enough to stumble into a bar with girls black-out wasted enough to agree to go home with him. Also, I’m sure this “80% of guys who can’t get laid” wouldn’t have that much of a harder time getting laid than women if they lowered their standards enough that getting laid was their only goal. Just saying.. how i see it is how i call it.
people in the manosphere have this idea that women who have a lot of partners are sleeping with the most desired men because they can’t settle for less. Really for me that wasn’t the case. When I was single and had split from my long term ex I needed sex and some male attention, and the same man wasn’t always available to see me again or on a regular basis and I had a hard time convincing any of them to form a relationship with me. It’s as simple as that. I found myself seeing different men on a regular basis until I met my now partner, who I am having a baby with and now live with. And before anyone asks, I don’t go for “alpha badboys”. I am a white woman and I really enjoy east asian men. Most of the men I have had sex with have been short skinny chinese men (like my current partner). I am also not physically attractive myself and I am not just saying that either, like many girls do just to fish for affirmation. It’s a lot harder being a less attractive woman. Men will have sex with you but most of the time they won’t go any further. If it’s satisfying enough you have to make do with whatever you can get. Women have needs to and not all of the us have the luxury of having the same guy around. I do now, and I feel happier than I did when I had multiple partners. For me it was quite simply settling until a better bargain came along (my boyfriend). Many people also think that promiscuous women are heavy drinkers or smokers, things I don’t do. I don’t even go to bars and I am an introvert who has no female friends. I met all of the men I had sex with on an asian chat application and I invited them to my apartment or I went to meet them somewhere. The worst I did was take too much valium sometimes because I was so scared and nervous to be meeting a complete stranger. I did learn to feel emotionless after having sex. The first few times I did it I felt like I really had to see the same guy again, but after a while that feeling totally vanished and felt no more emotional than masturbating but 100 times better. Nothing really beats real human contact when you feel lonely and horny. That is all it comes down to.
More people should read your entry. Not giving up sex too early helps weed out those who’re not in it for commitment or the long haul.
It depends on what a woman wants, I guess. If she wants love, then it pays to not have sex too early. What is so special about something if everyone else has had access to it?
Never gon wife no hoe
When I first got into the Red Pill, I though things were black and white like this and guys had only the purest desires and the only problem was that there aren’t enough nice girls to treat well.
The problem is, reality is rarely black and white or even close to it. You may identify one problem, like slutty girls are ruining society with their Teachman’s Disease, but there are still a whole bunch of mysterious maladies that will take a while to proscribe.
I’ve found it better to not follow ideas to their end and pay more attention observing.
I was recently left for a single mother. The worst part is, that’s the girl he actually liked, and I was the rebound. I think he even cheated on me, and they both ripped me apart on social media in front of hundreds of people. My only crime was giving this guy a fair shake, being good to him, and showing him genuine love. If you’re a virgin, you don’t get a lot of breaks. No one’s crying over your loss either. My belief is that female virginity has actual negative value right now, but you never know, it might spike at some point.
Weird intro note, but I’m glad I found your blog! I look forward to having some fulfilling conversations with someone walking in my shoes (meaning dying on the inside, lol). It’s a very disappointing and lonely existence we ladies have, so might as well take the loneliness part out of it. 🙂
This is my theory. There are two sides to the story.
So, to start out, a cyclical relationship is what happens when people get together, break-up (either officially or unofficially), and then get back together again.
A woman is broken when she loses her virginity, unless the guy marries her. The bonding chemicals cause her to enter into cyclical relationships.
Men become broken by establishing a pattern of cyclical relationships. It takes them longer to become broken, and if their life is relatively okay, they probably won’t engage in cyclical relationships. Yes, they may have sex, but it is emotionless sex, not relationship sex. To a woman, there’s really no one night stand: sex = relationship.
To engage in cyclical relationships, a man has to be used to the abuse of the dating system.
Another couple of things I’ve noticed: men don’t care about sluttiness unless they personally don’t like the woman. They don’t value virgins unless they want a family. Then, they value her capacity to raise the offspring, not the enormous sacrifice and devotion of keeping the hymen in tact. If you can find someone who sees you as a human without putting-out first, hang onto that guy!
You see men in the red pill universe decry sluts because now they’re on the wrong end of the divorce, so *now* they’re mad! Most red pill men are shit. There are a lot more good men in the red pill universe than outside of it, but most of them are still just low, typical humans. If they had it to do over again, they’d marry another woman they met in an orgy at a frat party, only this time without the divorce. They don’t have any concept of appreciation for innocence as an idea.
So be careful; it seems like we have a lot of support on our side, but we’re still the minority. What’s worse is bloggers who claim that there are *no* virgin women left and teach distrust and paranoia about women who claim to be virgins. Which is stupid. In my experience, women will lie about n-count, but they tend not to lie about hymen. There is little incentive, because again, female virginity presently has a negative market value.
Welcome knives, I hope you learn much here…
I spent too many years trying not to be a slut because of this stupid attitude and I wasted a lot of chances to enjoy my sexuality. So I say be a slut and let the cards fall where they may because there is no guarantee, and it’s probably not even likely, that you’ll get a good, loyal, faithful man. Most of them cheat, so it doesn’t really matter. Cheers.
Yep, nailed it. There is no double standard. Men play the game, and women ARE the game, unless they sooo incredibly butt ugly or fat that they’re desperate for anybody. But, at that point, she’ll know you’re just there to get your rocks off and the guy won’t even really enjoy it anyway, so nobody wins and you might as well jerk off.
Great article!
I got to advise you, for alot of men it IS still about moral judgement. Its not in our interest to make a wife out of a woman who has been swallowing the load of many other men, This is the woman who will raise our Daughters… We dont want her teaching our daughters her behaviour…
Your wrong I’m a guy and I always would prefer a slut over a regular girl.
Oh plzzzz. I spent all my younger healthy years setting aside my sexual pleasure and mental happiness so I can be respected by men and find a good husband that would cherish me because of my good judgement. Guys didn’t give shit lol (alpha or beta) and would just ditch after a couple dates if I did not want to be sexual or would lie up and down and if I got intimate they would bail after. Y’all love dipping your junk in garbage, it’s Been that way since dawn of time. Ironically, so far I find majority of time time stupid sluts are the ones that get the best husbands (handsome, tall. rich, alpha, gentlemen, good genetics). Good girls end up with a guy that is mediocre and happy she won’t leave/cheat on him cuz of the good judgement and lack of experience and then they fall into a boring marriage and he cheats cuz she cannot satisfy him. Same shit thru out history. Yes women back then were more modest but most of them had terrible sex lives and men found passion in arms of hookers usually. Women, don’t be an obvious slut but play your cards smart. And don’t waste your time being too much of a precious angel, men pretend to appreciate it like for a second anyways. Don’t be a fool.
I applaud you for thinking outside the box and going against the grain of society! Much respect! I cannot speak for all men, perhaps it’s just me, but the reason I’m bothered by women who have sex outside of a long term, committed relationship is because it strips away any incentive to be a good man, and it makes me feel like a sucker for trying.
I will not sleep with a woman if I have no interest in committing to for the long haul (i.e. marriage) out of respect for that woman. I think leading someone on, using someone or wasting their time is selfish and it makes it more difficult for that woman to find a life partner. Yet so many people use people to “pass the time” while they look for someone better and when they get bored or it’s time for an upgrade they make up some BS excuse like “we’re not right for each other”. So if I choose to respect a woman and “play by the rules” (at my own expense by denying myself sex and companionship) and in the mean time a girl squanders her most attractive years fooling around, that’s just an insult to me and on a point of pride alone I would refuse to get involved with such a woman.
It’s come to the point that doing the honorable thing and playing by the rules is detrimental so is it any wonder that everyone is in it for themselves instead of putting in the effort that a relationship deserves? I still believe in old fashion romance that is based on love, respect and trust. I just hope that I’m not alone!
I think this is spot on. The one thing u didn’t mention is the increased risk of STDs and/or unwanted pregnancies.
I would like to share a personal story so that maybe it will help some of you ladies determine how you treat your body. I am 44 male, by most standards I would be considered exceptionally good looking. I’m an engineer so I make a decent income but certainly nothing a gold digging type would be interested in.
Anyways I think too many of these women these days live their life like it’s some Sex in the City episode. Sleeping around with lots of men, career, thinking it will all end with them finding “Mr. Big ” who will marry them and jet them around Europe on the weekend….and of course who wouldn’t want that. The reality however isn’t as kind for most of these women. They get passed around by a small group of men, some knowingly infecting them with STDs. The lucky ones escape this fate with even a smaller percent actually marrying any of thes A++ guys and of course a lot of them will be replaced by a younger version later on – well at least there is alimony. A decade or longer of this and these women soon find themselves 45, single and stamped with an STD. I know because I dated exactly such a women. Giving up her dreams finding Mr. Big and realizing that young guys aren’t about to marry them these women resort to “dating down” to guys like myself. I find this very insulting and it’s reminiscent of HS when a guy is a fresh or soph and the girls in the class only wanted to date the Jr and Srs. Well these young guys obviously become Jr and Sr and themselves only date fresh and Soph girls leaving a lot of the Sr girls wondering why they can’t get a date? Well the tables turned. Fortunately in HS these dynamics are only temporary but for a 45 yr old women they are near indefinite for most. Ok so that was a long tangent. Remember I’m an engineer so I’m naturally verbose, sorry!
This girl I dated was pretty, kind of shallow still but had some decent qualities but I just couldn’t get around or over the fact of how many guys she slept with or the fact that she had herpes as souvenir. I have never slept with a ton of women even though I could have so me not liking this wasn’t me being a hypocrite it simply is my moral standard that I couldn’t get around and frankly nor should I have to. The irony is and something she wasn’t aware of is I’m a millionaire via inheritance. Not tens of millions but a few, I would have married this girl, she would have been pretty comfortable financially but I just couldn’t do it. I felt horrible and still feel horrible about that but there are consequences to actions and u young ladies should be aware of them. Don’t play the lottery with your vagina as the price of a ticket. You likely won’t win. Men justified or not will judge u on it. Also from my experience don’t judge a book by its cover…that guy with the flashy car likely doesn’t have much money…typically those with actual money don’t flaunt it.
The truth is men are always going to love sluts. You need us. They date and marry the so called ‘good girls’ or at least they think they do…Good girls are bad girls who don’t get caught. Guys- women lie about number of partners!!
So a woman is a slut if she enjoys sex with multiple partners, but it’s ok for a guy to bang as many women as possible and nothing sticks. Hmm ok…this has to stop! Yeah I understand we are biologically different, but we have birth control.
Guys need to stop categorizing women into sluts and virgins. Just think how many guys lust after slutting looking girls and jerk off over porn stars whilst they have a ‘good girl’ as a girlfriend or wife, who is a lame ass in bed! They ask her to do those nasty things in bed or go to a prostitute instead. That’s ok for a guy to cheat though? He’s cheating with a slut, whore, cum dumpster. You’d be surprised but sex workers get checked every few weeks so it could well be safer to go down on them rather than the girl you pick up drunk at a seedy bar.
I wonder then how porn stars, glamour models, escorts etc manage to have relationships, marriage and children?! Maybe you have to look beyond labelling a person and see the person beneath. Face it guys you love sluts, we love sex and know how to fuck- so learn to love with us. Marry a girl who gives you the nasty sex you want, then you won’t have to cheat with prostitutes haha
Why get married? Marriage is for women. Men can buy sex if they need it that bad. Oh, if you plan on or have children with someone then be the type of parents that you wish you had. And since we have birth control options far more advanced than our ancestors, why not just “date” forever? Women want commitment, and for this there is a price. Men want sex, and for this we must pay for it by becoming the type of man that women want to give their gift to. Whatever, the sexual market will balance itself in the end with or without our insights. Be better than your parents and raise better children than yourselves.