In college, I worked a student-hire job at a small military base with a special ops unit.
Besides being an awesome job, it also gave me a huge respect for these men who had said, “Hell yeah” when asked how they felt about being dropped behind enemy lines in the most dangerous places on the planet without any guaranteed ride home.
At that time there was a gal on base who wanted to be one of them more than anything. She had one of the most pure spirits I had ever met, and I have no doubt she would have given anything to be among them. But back then, women could not be in combat positions, much less special ops, teams who went in long before there was any official “going in.”
I don’t doubt this gal thought with every fiber of her being that she could and would do the job. She was a fine soldier, no doubt. From what I saw she had no chip on her shoulder, no feminist agenda. She simply saw greatness and wanted to be a part of that.
And yet, when I watched the movie, “Black Hawk Down” I realized why this was not meant to be. As I watched I could not fathom how men could not abandon the weak and the wounded to save themselves.
It is simply in the female genetic code to survive. To survive personally. To submit rather than to die. No matter how logically a woman may think she would not, the reality is she will.
Women can be of huge support to men, including in the military. In fact “to protect their women” even idealogicaly is a large part of why men from time unrecorded have fought and died in battle.
If women want to help, the best way is not to demand they can become special ops soldiers, but instead to be the pin-up who is waiting to welcome him home.
Let those who have ears hear.
Notes From a Red Pill Girl 
They also (speaking from first hand observation/experience) have a very detrimental effect on the morale of a unit. I’ve personally seen the change as more women enter the forces. The dynamic of the squadron is completely different when a woman is present (less cohesive, less of a brotherly level of intimacy, if you will).
The types of male bonding that happen in all-male environments just can’t happen with women around, especially in the current political climate. And that’s best case scenario…worst case, lots of fraternization that inevitably really debilitates the effectiveness of leadership as well as the whole unit (I’ve seen that a lot too).
I have heard tht Israel had a problem with this in 1948. The tradition, up to that time, was for all hands to protect the kibbutz. I think they solved it by keeping men and women seperate.
From what I see of the US Armed Froces, they could care less about effectiveness or morale. This is dumber than the French sending men into combat wearing red trousers in WWI.
“And yet, when I watched the movie, “Black Hawk Down” I realized why this was not meant to be. As I watched I could not fathom how men could not abandon the weak and the wounded to save themselves” Doesn’t it play out this way in personal life, too? If a man is seriously injured, or long-term ill, or “weak” because of a job or business crisis, it seems his wife will usually think hard about trading him in, even if she is inhibited from acting on that desire. It seems like the same sort of thing–she feels instinctively that he survival is threatened, even though of course it is really not.
Am I wrong?
@ anon al, yes this can often be the case. There was a great post on that topic at the rationalmale.com. It’s apparently deeply ingrained in the female psyche to save herself at all costs. Even she may not understand it herself. As a woman it’s hard to admit this but I actually wish people talked about it more openly so that women and men facing such situations aren’t caught off guard by those feelings, or blindly act upon them.
Also, this can be a touchy subject because too often it gets derailed by the moral side of things, rather than framed as a biological difference between men and women. A common reaction during such times but not feelings that need to be acted upon but reasoned thru.
For example a gal I know struggled greatly w this when her husband was diagnosed w terminal cancer. She was ashamed of the thoughts, feeling she was some kind of heartless monster. Luckily the therapist she talked to helped her see what she was feeling was common, and that she would regret leaving her husband during his final days. And she didn’t. And she’s very thankful for that advice.
Ancient man lived or died as a tribe. They attacked and retreated as a group. Pulling out early could mean the death of the other men still engaged in combat. killing some large and ill tempered critter or any sort of dangerous task.
You also want to live, fight, hunt and work with men who will pull your wounded ass out of the shit when they fall back
It’s literally breed into most men which is why cowards are despised
I agree Ton, men just do this. It is part of their primal conditioning. I also believe is it a uniquely male trait. It’s not that women don’t see the heroic or the Nobel in it, but when shtf I believe the female hardwiring says “flee or submit” not “fight.” There are the few female warriors in history, Joan of Arc, but really how many examples are there? It’s simply not in the female genetic code. It’s not what women do. I am not sure I am expressing that well.
Another big problem I see would be chain of command. Men naturally fall into and respect hierarchy. Women have a more “everybody has a voice” style. Would women follow orders, or would they do what they thought was the better plan? I just don’t see how it could work. Anyone who watches the movie would probably understand, what if say 20% of those involved were women? I could not even envision it.
Excellent post, Red Pill Girl! You have explained it very well and you are absolutely right. As a former soldier myself, I can confirm that it is true that putting women into military units destroy male bonding. It is also counter-productive to fulfilling your military mission. As one of my friends, a former platoon commander, remarked if I had female soldiers and one of them got hurt, I would have 30 heros in my platoon, trying to save her and forgetting all about the mission.
@ Phillip, yes that’s what the guys said about this gal. They all liked and respected her, but did not want to be in combat w her.
Someone needs to school the owner of this blog on the differences between Red Pill, The MRM and plain old conservative traditionalism. She doesn’t get it.
“Someone needs to school the owner of this blog on the differences between Red Pill, The MRM and plain old conservative traditionalism.”
Go for it. Explain the differences.
I’m curious myself.
Someone needs to school the owner of this blog on the differences between Red Pill, The MRM and plain old conservative traditionalism.
Sound like an academic you do.
Important the distinctions are?
There was a woman named Hannah Senesh, a great Jewish heroine. She was sent by Israel (along with two men) to try to save Hungarian Jewry during the Holocaust. Hannah and the two other soldiers disagreed at one point on strategy- Hannah forged ahead and the two stayed behind.
Hannah was captured by the Nazi’s. She refused to submit and to give information that would help them. She was tortured to death.
The men escaped. (you can read more about her story https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/szenes.html)
Jewish traditional stories- while definitely not feminist by any means- are sprinkled with Jewish heroines, women who did not submit. Martyrs, war heroes etc. It was never considered an ideal for a woman to serve, but the women was considered the mother of the nation and the one who felt for the nation with her heart and soul and gave it her tears.
When a woman is moved with her whole being to save her children, and her nation is her children, she does not submit. She gives her life and she saves her nation’s soul.
Perhaps if the military is viewed as a profession or the pursuit of heroism, I can understand why it is not the best place for a woman to be. But when it is seen in the light of a mother and her children’s survival- as it is in Israel- and there is no choice and no other way- a woman will certainly not submit.
@fuzziewuzziebear- today in Israel most women (although required to serve) either do not serve in combat at all or serve in “lighter” combat units.
I agree, Lexivip.
There are a lot of examples of women placing their own lives in danger at the moment of truth. I was going to quibble (slightly) with Bloom on that point.
Not a singular heroine either, but they number in the thousands. The most obvious example would be the combat nurse. I read the person journal of a French woman who worked for the Red Cross during WWII and was then recruited by the French underground.
She was recruited as a teenager…at a very very young age. She spoke about a Jewish couple next door in their apartment, and she helped deliver their baby. It was a tragic story for them, the gestapo showed up in the middle of the night and she could hear it from her apartment. She thought they’d taken the baby too, but later the next day she could hear the baby crying through the wall. They’d barred the door, so she scaled from the outside window and climbed in. The couple had hidden their baby in the closet with some powdered milk. She grabbed him, scaled the wall back and they cared for the baby. The landlady sided with the Germans and spied on them, so they had to keep the baby hidden or they would end up in the camps too.
Fwiw, I’ve also known nurses who stood by their patients when walls are literally falling down/glass shattering around them (big storms/earthquakes, and so forth). One nurse covered her patient with her body and she said it was just by the grace of God that all of the large shards of glass fell right outside of their bodies, otherwise she would have been skewered like a piece of shish kabob.
The big problems with women in combat are:
1) They are FAR weaker physically and more prone to injury
2) They are risk adverse. I’d say the problem is less with abandonment of the injured in the moment of truth (though, see above, they’re unable to lift that guy and carry him out effectively) than failure to charge over that hill into oncoming fire.
3) They are higher maintanance and more expensive in general (menstruation, pregnancy, health problems, more prone to mental anxiety and fatigue as well as physical, and so forth)
4) Men make far better leaders…women are biologically prone to be followers. Anecdotally, this is very apparent even in the military with women in leadership positions women always defer to the strongest man regardless of rank.
Fwiw, the (glass shard anecdote) nurse above was an elderly nurse at the time I met her. She showed me a large scar on her arm and explained how it happened (above).
We were discussing emergency protocol at the hospital and she explained why some things were done as they were, and how they’d learned from (unforeseen at the time) accidents/injuries in the past.
I have read that in the early (and desperate) days of modern Israel, there was indeed a tendency of male soldiers to focus excessively on the rescue of female comrades.
The novelist Selwyn Jepson, who recruited agents for the WWII British underground organization known as Special Operations Executive, asserted that many women excelled in what he called “quiet courage,” ie, courage demonstrated when no one (at least no one friendly) is watching. A couple of female SOE agents were:
Violette Szabo
http://photonplaza.blogspot.com/2005_01_23_photonplaza_archive.html#110705982834962984
and
Noor Inayat Khan
http://photonplaza.blogspot.com/2004_09_05_photonplaza_archive.html#109492173014697584
Red pill is about deprogramming men to mistrust women as a means to a happier life that honors their individuality.
MRM is about representing men’s concerns that get ignored by mainstream culture, but mostly feminists.
Traditionalist conservatives are about rolling back to the days of white male Christian supremacy. These are the scariest of the manosphere’s frequent fliers.
Trad cons frequent red pill and MRM sites because the general negative tone around anything having to do with women appeals to them. As does a safe anonymous space to unload the outdated ideas that get them shamed IRL. But ultimately their goal is not to improve the lives of men as much as it is to wallow in their fear of anything different.
This is the type of post written to draw in the trad cons. As the popularity of red pill and MRM wane it’s the diehard conservatives who keep coming back and are now the key market. Pander on.
Why are red pill and MRM waning? Men are more action oriented by nature and tire much quicker of complaining without trying to solve the problem. Those who aren’t of the ilk that have wet dreams about their perfect theocracy run by evangelical white men eventually get their shit together and move or just get bored. The trads are the ones who are left. These communities self select in that way.
For example, how many women who frequent this blog are stay at home mothers or consider themselves traditional?
What is so scary about Christian When Men Supremacy? Low crime rates? Low divorce numbers with large intact White families and fully employed fathers?
I’m not really seeing a problem
Trolls should stay under their bridges.
I do not mean to say women cannot be brave, or act courageously in the heat of the moment, most especially to save children, elderly, the weak. Women can also make great covert agents, flying under the radar men maybe could not. And combat nurses, So I am not saying there’s no room for women to serve, or that they aren’t patriots, or what not. I am just talking front line hard core combat. If I had to, I would do my darnedest, I think many women would. There are many female heroes. Corrie Ten Boom is one of my favorites.
Now there is a lesson in womanly courage for you
Thanks for the response, Wut.
In the context of what you believe the “red pill” to be I’m not sure what a woman could post or blog about, particularly in a way that would be “action oriented” as you describe.
Wonder if the readers of this blog care about the things that excite “Wut” they do…