Did you know that suicide is the leading cause of death in men under the age of 45 in England, and the second leading cause of death in The United States for those under age 34?
Men also commit suicide at a rate of 4 to 1 in England, and as the chart on this page shows, of the 6500 U.S. suicides in the 35-44 age bracket, over 5000 of them were men.
And yet, where are the public information programs about male suicide? Where are the programs targeted at helping lower male suicide rates? Where are the support groups and other resources for men contemplating suicide? Where is the research into why men commit suicide? Where is the month football players wear red to help raise awareness of male suicide?
You’d almost think male lives don’t matter based on the lack of attention paid to this very real health threat. What does that say to the man pondering taking his own life?
Male lives do matter. And they matter just as much as female lives.
It’s time to rid ourselves of the thinking that any attention given to male issues somehow takes away from women’s issues. That men don’t need support because they have male privilege.
As the suicide rates clearly show, being male isn’t easy. And the fact that this very preventable leading cause of male death is getting zero attention is a disgrace.
Male lives matter just as much as female lives matter. If they don’t, the femanist rallying cry of equality is nothing but a cover for female supremacy, not equality.
So feminists, which is it?
Let those with ears hear.
p.s. Sadly, if this post was written by a man, he would very likely be accused of being a misogynistic woman hater. Men can’t even speak up for themselves without risk to their professional and personal lives. Ladies, this needs to end. We need to speak for men if they are not socially allowed to speak for themselves! Male lives matter! All lives matter, or none do.
Thank you for the post. Tomorrow is Thanksgiving and the season is upon us.
Yes, feminists are out to promote female superiority.
Yes, they don’t want this subject looked at too closely.
Another thought. It seems to me that the men likely to do this care. If so, they are worth saving because they give a damn.
@ fuzzie very true! It’s a national tragedy.
@ fuzzie that is a good point. My friend Red confessed he is surprised he didn’t kill himself last year over the holidays he spent alone after his wife ran off with her “fitness partner” then flaunted her new soul mate all over town and social media, while at the same time bad mouthing Red and telling everyone how it was his fault she “had to” leave him and break up their family. Sadly people fell for it, acting like she was the brave survivor! Ug. She set up visitation so she had the kids every holiday last year. Now she’s upset she doesn’t have them for any this year. Boo hoo! Serves her right!
It is a good idea to think thru the men we all know who are alone or going thru a divorce. The holidays are an especially tough time for them. I don’t know if they keep stats about when most suicides occur but I would bet the holidays are a prime time. Check in on these guys. Ask them over for the holidays. Go out for a beer. It could save a man’s life!
In the US we have a lot of public info about suicide prevention at this time of year especially. It isn’t just got males, but I don’t think it has to be. The images I can recall being used are male, anyway.
I am glad that things are turning around for Red.
Welcome Hopenotgobe! I am glad to hear you are seeing info about this. It really needs more awareness.
Happy Thanksgiving to you too, Fuzzie! Red seems to be doing really well lately, new job, new place, life is moving forward. 🙂
Now, all he has to worry about is Jane the Branch Swinging Witch having second thoughts. That’s a llong way and a big improvement from the subject of this post.
@ Fuzzie I think had Jane had 2nd thoughts a few months ago he may have fallen for it, but the stronger he gets the less chance I see of him falling for that. When I brought it up as a possibility when it looked like things weren’t working out so great w the new beau, I believe his words were, “not a chance in hell!”
Good for Red! Jane the Witch did a number on him.
I had another thought about the topic. It is very tempting when you consider yourself powerless. Red is safe now.
Well said, Bloom. 🙂
And well done on saving Red’s life.
It’s a good lesson for me to remember, too. Sometimes I forget on the day to day. Mike is better at this, since he’s more social.
One should never underestimate the impact of a kind word. You never know what someone might be going through.
@ Liz I am not sure I saved Red’s life necessarily, but I do hope my caring and cheering him on to recover from his low blow and then in time to triumph (he’s on his way for sure!) helped in some small way. Knowing someone cares and that one matters and is believed in and needed are all good things to be reminded of during such life trials.
If I hadn’t been red pill aware at the time I may have just thought it was another divorce, not realized the brutality of his experience. Hearing the men’s side of these stories in the manosphere, knowing how devastating it is for a man to lose his family, acknowledging that, that’s what helped me be there for Red most of all. We all saved Red! 🙂
Artisanal Toad said:
If you compare suicide deaths with automotive fatalities you’ll discover that the number of male suicide deaths in the US is now almost equal to the total number of automotive fatalities in the US. I did some research on this a while back, was going to write something about it but it was just too depressing.
Then came a reunion of a bunch of guys I served with in the Marines and in tracking everybody down we discovered that out of 32 guys, 4 had outright committed suicide, one committed suicide-by-cop and another was “depressed” and died of a drug overdose.
Sample size: 32 men, 28 white and 4 black. All were enlisted in the Marine Corps infantry in the mid-80’s, everybody was in good shape back then, reasonably intelligent and everybody had a good work ethic. As wild as we were back in the day nobody has been in prison (only the occasional night or two in jail for some), which I thought was amazing.
No deaths by natural causes (although one guy has parkinsons), but 5 definitely dead by suicide and 1 is most probably a suicide, all white.
20% suicide rate (all since 2008)
Of the 26 living men, all of us have been married, 11 are currently married but only 5 have not experienced a divorce. Four are still married to the original model and one is a widower.
80% divorce rate (1st marriage, 100% filed by wife)
Of the 21 men whose first marriage ended in divorce, 16 of them had a protective order issued against them (He was a Marine! He’s violent!) but none were ever arrested for domestic violence. Every one of the women had an attorney either working pro-bono through a domestic violence center referral or at a reduced cost. Only a few of the guys could afford a lawyer and they had to pay the full price.
In catching up with each other and what’s happened over the last 20 years one of the constant themes was divorce, alienation of the kids, alimony and child support payments (one guy is still making payments for back child support on a 29 year old daughter he didn’t even know about until she was 16, when he got slammed with a $60k bill for back support).
In fact, the stories of the divorce-rapes and payments was one of the most perverse “mine’s bigger than yours” discussions I’ve ever heard and a bunch of guys who thought they’d really been screwed had their eyes opened. Some of the guys are slow learners and had to get divorced twice before they learned their lesson and a couple who are on their second marriage look like they’re headed for divorce. Only one divorce was initiated by the guy and it was a second marriage. I’m pretty sure I was the only one who wasn’t surprised by that.
None of these guys ever heard of game, don’t know what the manosphere is and it was sad to see. None of them work out (and most had put on some serious weight), all are pretty beta except for the 2 that were naturally somewhat alpha in their youth. The difference between the wives and girlfriends is phenomenal, the wives have the whip-hand and they know it. Some of the married guys, you can see how the soul has just been sucked out of them when you look in their eyes but they’re hanging in there.
You don’t know how much people really drink (unless you live with them), but the list of the meds these guys are on is unbelievable. Over half are on blood pressure meds, cholesterol meds and a bunch of other stuff for one problem or another. Big pharma is really cleaning up here. Only two guys admitted to drug use (weed) and I’d guess the rest are probably telling the truth. Who can afford it?
As they say, in vino, veritas. Several have suffered long-term unemployment (in excess of 2 years) and of the ones not working for the government (fire/police, post office, park service, education) everyone has horror stories of layoffs, difficulties finding another job, etc., and a couple of guys own their own business just for job security. Most of these guys are barely making it and the guys who are already qualified for a pension are hanging in there to work as long as possible and retire at the maximum amount possible.
I posed the question, “why is this group of intelligent, hard working guys so poor at this stage in life?” These are the answers I got in descending order.
1. The economy SUCKS! (Job loss, underemployment, etc.)
2. No college degree. (They got married and had to support their family.)
3. Divorce/alimony/child support. (What little they have now gets taken away.)
4. We all joined the Marines! (That loss of 4-6 years hurt)
I would have listed it in reverse order, but the fact is the single worst event was the divorce. Everything else could be dealt with… but the financial rape, emotional trauma and abuse of the divorce hurt all of them badly. Most of them have too much pride to admit it but anybody who knows what to look for can see it.
Later, in a discussion about the suicides I asked how many had ever considered it (a lot of glasses had been raised to fallen comrades at that point)
Over half admitted they’d thought about it at one time or another and one guy said (while going through his divorce!) that he’d had his pistol in his mouth but couldn’t pull the trigger.
I think learning just how bad everybody either has it or has had it helped a bunch of the guys and for a group that hasn’t communicated in decades there’s now a lot of support some of the guys really need. I had guys that I didn’t get along with back in the day tell me they love me and could remember me telling them back in the day that we were a family. I’ve been watching friendships re-form and there’s a lot of communication going on. Learning how many have checked out hit everybody hard and we’re trying to look out for each other now.
I was expecting everybody to kind of go back to normal after the reunion but it hasn’t happened. I think the most positive sign was after the reunion a couple of the wives were getting bitchy about all the camaraderie between the men not fading away and the response one of the husbands was “Hey, drop it. We were brothers before I met you and after this meeting the one thing I know for sure is at least *they* won’t leave me behind.” The instant response of the men was to pile on in support and the only way it could have gotten better was if he’d added “now go make me a sammich.”
So, there ya go. Happy Thanksgiving.
SFC Ton said:
another factor is class. As I understand it the issue is more with middle class and working class White men so feminist and the left are extra unconcerned and likely happy about their deaths.
Artisanal Toad said:
Military service is becoming something akin to a felony record in some circles. Must be something wrong with you unless you’re officer class and have your ticket completely punched.
These guys got blindsided by their training (blue pill) and a changing economy that was designed to flush them down the toilet topped off with a change in the laws designed to discard them as men. Strike one, strike two, strike three. But they’re all fighters so they’re still hanging in there. Getting the unit back together is a big help.
“Military service is becoming something akin to a felony record in some circles.”
Yes. I mentioned a while back at Swithy’s that one of more common quotes from the media is, “There’s a tendency for clubs to recruit veterans for their skills and sometimes their access to weapons.”
They like to bring up veterans and their “access to weapons” a lot, as though they have some sort of official Veteran’s card that gives them access to all sorts of weapons not available to most other people.
There are two parallel worlds going on… the one created by the media, and the real one. The manufactured world has better marketing though. Ah well.
Happy Thanksgiving! 🙂
SFC Ton said:
Yea Toad a man has to have his crew. That is the real secret to a platoon or MC
This week my crew road 138 miles to punch some dudes in the face, get back on our bike a ride 138 miles back because said dudes fucked with Shorts.
Thats a crew
Just to add, it’s great that you stay in touch with those guys, Artisanal Toad.
I’m sure it’s rare to form bonds like that in civilian life. My dad kept in touch with a lot of the people he served with, he didn’t really form such close friendships after he left the service. Of course, by the time he died (at 90) most of them had passed on.
I wish I could understand what is happening in the press. It’s not like WWII when Edward R. Murrow would do a live radio remote from a London rooftop while the Germans were dropping bombs. It’s like they are completely cowed by political correctness.
About veterens, while theyt my have been trained in violence, I’d bet money that statistics will confirm that they are less prone to resort to it.
Artisanal Toad said:
Oh… and Liz, don’t pepper-spray the cat.
Artisanal Toad said:
That would be cruel.
“Oh… and Liz, don’t pepper-spray the cat.”
Never! This dog tried that once
(he thought it would be funny because her name is Pepper, and she sprays):
Kung Fu Kitty! How many points is that worth in competition?
Great comment Toad! You really show what so many men are up against. Thanks for adding that and I am glad you guys have each other. I bet it helped some more than you’ll ever know. I am very sorry to hear of your lost comrades. 😦
Ninja cat, Fuzzie.
Fast as lightning. I don’t know if Ninjas do points.
Sure they do – points of swords, points of throwing stars, points of spears….
Do you have any more “Ninja Cat” photos? Everytime I see the one above, I can’t help but laugh.
That’s the only one I know of, Fuzzie.
Garfield would be proud.
It takes a few seconds to look up the feminists’ views on male suicide: http://www.wikihow.com/Support-Men-As-a-Feminist
And no, contrary to the beliefs expressed here, men killing themselves is not something that makes feminists ‘happy.’
Well done, that link really does summarize the feminist agenda for men.
This bit is particularly telling:
“Seek for an end to toxic masculinity”
The above article can pretty much be summarized this way:
Support males with feminine traits, encourage feminine traits in men, and criticize and disparage masculine traits.
“If someone says they have been raped, believe them. Between only 2-8% of rape allegations are false”
This one is always interesting. Here is a link to the actual cited study:
Click to access the_voice_vol_3_no_1_2009.pdf
Notice the fairly arbitrary dismissal of studies that indicated 90 percent and 40+ percent false accusation rates. Notice the study they believed to be the “true one”, and what it says:
“For example, in a multi-site study of eight U.S. communities involved in the “Making a Difference” (or “MAD”) Project, data were collected by law enforcement agencies for all sexual assault reports received in an 18- 24 month period. Of the 2,059 cases that were included in the study, 140 (7%) were classified as false.”
This is very convincing evidence to anyone who is totally ignorant of the process. For ignorant folks I will explain. It is exceedingly rare, for a sexual assault claim to be classified as false. The typical classification would be “inconclusive”, not false. Even if all evidence points to the fact that the claims were completely baseless, they are not classified as “false” (unless the ostensible victim decides to tell them she fabricated the claim).
If feminists were really so very concerned about male suicides, they’d take a stand against the ubiquity of false allegations.
Thousands of men have had their lives ruined this way, while they chant “It’s okay to cry” and “boys should play with dolls!” and “here is what you can say in our safe space”.
Sorry Bloom, done with the rant now. This was just nauseating.
Thanks for the rant. It’s always more credible coming from a girl.
About feminists wanting men to be feminized. Doesn’t that kind of make sexual relations impossible? More head scratching.
It has been a while since we have heard from you. Are thinkgs all right?
Rant away Liz, all valid points!
Hi Fuzzie, yes all is well. I have been sidetracked by holiday festivities and the like but all is going great, actually! 🙂
I feel better now. Thank you.