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Ladies, have you heard of the terms “sexual market value (SMV)” and “marriage market value (MMV)?” If not, they are red pill terms for how men rank a woman’s (and women rank a man’s) desirability for sex and marriage.
This is a really touchy subject, and one many people get up in arms about. However it is also powerful information you can use to your full advantage after you understand it.
Similar to a 1-10 scale, the higher the number, the more desirable a person is and the more options they will have. SMV and MMV are slightly different, as someone can have a high SMV ranking (they are hot and get lots of attention) but not a high MMV (for some reason they aren’t good marriage material.)
It’s also important to note that women’s SMV and MMV are at their highest in the early to mid 20s while a man’s SMV/MMV peak comes in his mid to late 30s. Why?
Much of a woman’s SMV and MMV is based upon her physical appearance and fertility while a man’s is based upon his material wealth, status, and power.
It’s also important to note that fair or not, a woman is at her physical and fertility peak a full decade younger than a man is at his wealth, status, and power peak.
Now you can say that’s sexist, or unfair, or not true*. But on a biological level, it’s simply reality. It’s the rare woman who looks better at 40 than she did at 22, and no woman is more fertile at 40 than she was at 22.
Unfortunately many women today focus on their SMV in their youth, and don’t consider how the actions she takes in her teens and 20s could either positively or negatively affect her MMV. Or in other words, short term gains in SMV can lead to big losses in MMV.
Perhaps the guys can weigh in here: Is it so? And if it is, when it comes to SMV vs. MMV, what ranks at the top of your list?
[* And remember, men are not immune to this effect either. A man who is naturally good looking, for example, may have a high SMV in his teens and 20s, but if he’s not also building up his MMV factors via education, job experience, financial stability, and status, he may find it harder and harder to attract women with age.]
Notes From a Red Pill Girl 
While a lot of people use a 1 to 10 scale, operationally, for men, it’s fail, pass, better and “oh wow! she’s out of my league.” As for SMV, there are more conditions that men look for in women that are part of MMV. Primary of these would be is she worthy of trust.
I would contend that MMV and SMV are still tightly linked for women, even in modern times. Men want women who are young and fertile. Who can bear our children (even if we don’t necessarily want children at the moment). We can’t help it … it has been driven into us by millions of years of evolution.
But for men, MMV and SMV have become more disconnected, at least if you are defining SMV as pure physical attractiveness. That is because it takes longer in modern times for “men to become men”. Often, as you note, until our 30’s. The status aspects of our MMV have not yet reached their full potential till then.
The things that add to that relative to a woman’s MMV are mostly nice-to-haves. But you have to keep in mind that men are the gatekeepers of commitment, not the pursuers, so MMV is not necessarily as relevant to us. Also the fact the most TRP guys take a very anti-marriage stance, given the marriage/divorce laws in the modern West.
Of course, I’m speaking as a man in his mid-30’s who pretty much exclusively dates women in their 20’s. Because I’ve raised my SMV/MMV enough over the years to be able to do. And by that point, the thirty-something women have mostly already stared their SMV/MMV decline. That’s the reality of the modern dating scene.
Thanks for adding that Cooperfox, exactly what I am talking about! I am not sure women get that men think this way…until they find themselves wondering where all the “good” guys have gone!
If I was looking, MMV matters more than SMV, because I would be looking for a wife. My mother aged very well, even into her late forties and fifties, but my father is much happier and looks years younger after he left her. I learn from their mistakes, one of which was drifting into marriage even when they were not suited for one another. Any woman I date will be evaluated on how well I will be able to stand her for the next fifty years. Long after beauty fades, the attitudes remain. What is tolerable next to her youth wears more as her youth flows away.
The Shadowed Knight
@ Shadowknight, I agree you should choose very very wisely. Especially in this day and age. Marriage is a big gamble, and all too easily dissolved, for all too minor reasons, in a society that almost encourages that over sticking it out. That’s a major risk, not one to be undertaken lightly.
Or here’s an extreme example, let’s say a stripper. Physically she may be a 10 in body and beauty and sexual appeal, but is her MMV a 10? (And before people send in strippers with a heart of gold stories, or ones about a guy who married a stripper, let’s just say in general — the average stripper, the average guy, not the unicorn stripper true love story. lol.)
@Redpillgirlnotes … we’ll they can always come check out the TRP subreddit, or one of our many blogs (including mine). We’ll give it to them straight.
Of course, it may be more palatable hearing from a woman or something like the RedPillWomen sub. Nice blog, btw
a man’s is based upon his material wealth, status, and power
Yeah, his confidence with women has zip to do with a man’s appeal. All those wealthy nerdy executives like Bill Gates get laid like tile. Not.
Bloom, you still don’t understand how a man’s appeal works. You know when a man is appealing, but you can’t describe why he’s appealing. Go read Heartiste on Game.
A man needs the confidence to approach beautiful women and the ability to charm them–to play with their emotions.
Likely, the more beautiful a woman is at 20, the more likely she’ll still have appeal at 60. Beauty matters for the long haul, too.
Thanks Cooperfox! That’s my goal is to take what I have read and seen on red pill blogs and translate it for women. I personally don’t get offended by the sometimes rough and real language on some rp blogs, I find them fascinating actually, but some gals can’t NOT take it personally if you know what I mean? They might read those and throw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak. It’s too bad because women could learn SO MUCH from the manosphere! And I will check out your blog, for sure!
@ Gamer agreed, charisma and all that plays in as well. However I do know two such guys in real life who were poon slayers in their youth who are now getting left behind in their late 40s because they have little to offer but smooth talk. So it can happen. But then again, there are those gals who will throw themselves at a guy who is in prison for life, too, so they prove this is not always the case…
@Redpillgirlnotes … I do know what you mean, I am an Endorsed Contributer on the TRP subreddit, so … lol
And cool, my blog is more about taking a view of the broader world – e.g. politics and culture – through a Red Pill lens. I figure Rollo, Heartiste, IllimitableMan, and others do a good job covering the purer sexual strategy and gender dynamics. I spend a lot of time skewering SJWs, progressives, feminists, etc. 😉
which is funny, since I consider myself a left-leaning libertarian myself … no where hardly left for a rational person these days
@ copperfox lol re no place for the rational anymore, ain’t that the truth! Yet few seem to see it. I spend much of my time feeling like the kid saying, “but the emperor has no clothes!” to no avail. I get it, indeed!
While I haven’t used it, Vox Day has a test to deterjine market value for both men and women. It’s in the right hand co,umn.
http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/
There’s one on Chateau Heartiste too, but it’s pretty ruthless. According to it, I am destined to be a cat lady! And statistically I suppose I am, but I haven’t started taking in cats yet! 🙂
Fedpillgirlnotes,
I think you may beat the odds. At a guess, I don’t think Roissy can test for attitude towards men or good looks. That should get you over the top. From what you say, you don’t have good candidates. That may be your bottleneck.
Actually I have a met great candidate, but he’s asked me to not talk about us too much here, so I don’t. But I think I lucked out, for sure! He’s a great man, I am very blessed. (knock on wood, not to jinx things!)
You have been silent about that and I presumed it fell through. Good to know that you have an iron in the fire.
I don’t mean to keep things secret but I respect and understand his request for privacy. But yes, things are going very well! I wish I could tell you guys all about it, perhaps someday! It’s an against all odds story, for sure. 🙂
I am glad for you. And, it sounds like you are glad too.
left behind…for relationships. They don’t fit the beta bux slot. Probably still getting lots of action.
Shamika Ho answers the topic question:
“Asstronomical, Yo!”
As for myself, do you know how rare a kitten wearing a shark deflecting frog helmet is? I’m up there with Puss in Boots.
Liz,
And it has the added benefit of being lined with tin foil!
You do have a great avatar!
As for Shamika Ho, she can think whatever she likes. How she appraises herself has no bearing on the market. However, yhis does gove me a clue to why the market is poorly valued. If it were dollar denominated, I would suggest shorting women and going long on men. But, markets can stay irrational longer than people have money or patience.
Another function of the current legal regime is to massively hit the MMV of women. The MMV is the long term value of a woman, and with divorce as common and as simple as it is, long term relationships are a risk. Fewer men are willing to invest in something that may not be around for the long term. The result is women that have to take care of themselves because men never bothered to prepare for marriage.
Men like me are never going to be common. Most men want to get married, at least eventually. The threat at the margins we present makes the entire market more volatile for women. The scramble to lock down a man becomes just a little more frantic.
The Shadowed Knight
Getting to this late, but nothing improves a man’s SMV AND MMV like a fat wallet.
My immediate boss at work is an avowed Christian Virgin (seriously). At age 60, he managed to attract a hot Latina in her 40s, who has a daughter who is a hot Bay Area model, so the looks are there. The GF’s family has been taken on trips, paid for by my boss. One was a ski trip to Mammoth (they have snow this year) which the daughter attended, and the other was a cruise to Hawaii with the GF’s mother. As I see it, he was being rated for “suitability”, which I see as whether or not he’s got enough in the bank to make him a candidate for divorce rape.
Now I don’t happen to like the guy for lots of reasons, and I’ll cheer silently if he does get taken like this. But in principle, this is the very situation I seek to warn young men about. If you can’t understand what it is about her attraction to you that you can explain, then she’s too good to be true and wants more from you than you should be willing to give.
@ burkel good to see you again and hope you are feeling better!