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In the last post, the topic of respect came up in the comments, revealing some differences between how men and women view respect, and it was interesting for me to ponder both sides of the coin. And in many ways they are somewhat two sides of the same coin.
The men explained that respect between men is not automatic, it must be earned. Something like this:
Or
Women tend to view respect as a basic starting point of interaction, more like this:
Or:
In my eyes, neither viewpoint is “wrong” so much as they are a reflection of how differently the male and female minds work.
Men and especially groups of men seem to automatically think in hierarchies. In a room full of men, it is immediately clear to all of them (without anyone even saying so) where they all “rank” so to speak in the order of males in the room. Seemingly subconsciously, the Alpha Male of the Group (AMOG) emerges, and the rest fall in line accordingly. There may be some posturing to establish this, but it ends relatively quickly (or if not, it’s likely they will spar verbally, physically, or both.) There is no debate. There is no discussion. There is no consensus. There is no vote. It’s not even necessarily seen as negative or a slam on the individual man based on where he ranks. Each man simply understands and *automatically accepts* his place in the order. Men who do not are usually ostracized from the group and considered dangerous or a threat to safety and order of the whole. Men who do not understand this hierarchy concept are generally not respected by other men.
Women, and especially groups of women, do not think like that at all. Women are all about consensus, inclusion, and making sure everyone feels OK and heard. Respect seems to be more about acceptance than rank in the female mind. Women will go to all sorts of lengths to dance around the idea of rank or hierarchy. Women like flat hierarchy and equality. Women often rebel against the idea of a vertical hierarchy, and tend to see it as “unfair.” (This is likely the line of thinking that lead to feminism, interestingly.)
Of course I am being admittedly heteronormative and general here — there are indeed men who view respect more like women and women who view respect more like men, but in the vast majority of cases I think one will find the ideas above apply.
I find it interesting to ponder how these two differing views of respect (both valid) may lead to all sorts of misunderstandings between men and women.
What do you think? How do you define respect? Please share your thoughts, experiences, examples, etc. in the comments.
Notes From a Red Pill Girl 
The FI must distract men from this as much as possible, and seek maximum added cash and prizes for women…
What of a female who doesn’t want extra cash and prizes?
I guess that’s why I have trouble seeing any FI stuff in my personal actions, because I consciously live my life without directly accepting any handouts based on my sex. As I recently mentioned at Spawny’s, I declined a $1,500 college scholarship even when I needed it financially because it was only being offered due to me having XX instead of XY. I also registered for the Draft alongside my high school friends, because I found it sexist that they’d be denied so much if they didn’t, yet I could have skated along with no affect. Then there’s the male-specific/male-dominant charities I donate to every month, like the Innocence Project, the Parsemus Foundation, and the Movember Foundation.
This is why when I responded to your question about potential FI in my view of my group with that “water is wet” comment…because I don’t think my observations are anything having to do with me putting biases where they don’t belong, but the environment I’m in: An ultra-liberal, kinda hippie section of NY. Given the above factors, I think it is more likely that I’m seeing a lot more BP behaviors, plus some PP ones, but no RP, so of course the guys I know aren’t going to act like the guys here on a RP blog. Frankly, it’s amazing I know *any* non- full BP men.
Fwiw, I asked my FwB about the AMOG in our group when he called this morning. He also said it’s situational, not a constant. Interestingly, he said he *could* be the AMOG quite easily, but he has “seen that job and doesn’t want it, so we don’t have a steady one”. ⬅ Direct quote.
If I was around RP men and was *still* attempting to assert that there was no stable hierarchy and everyone was equal…then yeah, I’d absolutely agree with you that my brain was being f’d up by FI programing. But when the guys themselves are talking like X, and doing X, and even directly telling me “It’s X”…then it’s pretty difficult to try and assert Y on the blog here.
Btw, Bloom, I’m not trying to get you to say I don’t have *any* latent FI stuck in my brain, because my body does still have more estrogen than testosterone, after all. Just that using the FI as a go-to excuse for everyday observations that don’t line up with RP ideologies isn’t necessarily the answer 100% of the time. 😉
Also, could you please fix a rather glaring typo in my 10:01pm comment on Feb 22?
The word was supposed to be “interchangeably” not my made up pun word “intertangibly”. The comment makes little sense as it reads right now…
Damn you, autocorrect!
To clarify, guys fighting for no reason (unprovoked bar brawls for example) are not respected. Guys who fighttospar or for money or for the good of the order are respected bc that’s different than just being a violent loose cannon.
Ton wasn’t it you before who said men hurting children, those weaker, are not respected by men? Men don’t respect needless bullies?
@ tarn do you want anarchy and to fight violence firsthand yourself? If not then you actually are relying on the FI indirectly at least to ensure your safety is supported by men.
Supporting the FI is not the same as supporting feminism, although that is the current FI model for meeting the FI objective…
Women also have good reason to deny, deny, deny the FI or vertical hierarchy over equal ism — these things not only get men to do what women need, they also serve to obscure the true hypergamus side of women, the not nice side. Women want power and status BADLY but won’t dare admit that. They call it equal when really they want control. Yep.
The FI seeks a flat hierarchy, a society of equals. (Of course it isn’t flat — men are still providing and protecting that safe society for those who are not directly engaged in doing so.) But women want a flat equal hierarchy otherwise they would have to concede that men are for the most part, running stuff not because of ebul patriarchy or bc of oppression, but because that’s the way it works, has always worked, will always work. It is biological. Women don’t likey ta admit dat. No, no, no.
Were the FI to acknowledge this, they would have to acknowledge what Deti, Ton, TSK, and others here are saying…that women don’t rank AT ALL (nope – nada) in the upper vertical hierarchy, at least power wise. RPG
Perhaps the most truthful thing every said by a woman about women
Yes, normally I am the AMOG, but the reasons vary, and yes I have been the technically subordinate and still the AMOG. Often for no other reason then stating the truth in a simple, linear fashion. And yes, people normal defer to me, however that stems from a life time of making good decisions and a willingness to listen to other men and change my plans when better intell comes. Sort of an offshoot of the 0FG. Recently I changed our plans for Bike Week because someone else had a better plan. That in no way diminished anyone’s standing. However, a beta is likly to take it personal and act pissy etc
The Khan of Khan’s who is likely t have been the Alpha of Alpha’s as well was not the military genius that spread the Mongol empire, yet it is still the Khan of Kahns who is known world wide.
Prior to feminism, the FI pushed its agenda by playing up women being weaker. Chivalry and Victorian values and all that were a prior version of the FI.
Bloom, I wrote a post on a topic that Blurkel brought up on my blog a few days ago (week ago?) about sex before marriage being necessary to know if you’re compatible. I’d be interested in your thoughts since you have a Christian viewpoint, I tried to pick apart an old article (that still bothers me lol) but I’d like your input if you mind 🙂 http://girlwithadragonflytattoo.com/2016/02/23/christians-arent-called-to-have-great-sex-theyre-called-to-have-bad-sex/
@ dragonfly sure! 🙂
tarn do you want anarchy
No. But there’s not many who do.
Most rational people would say that stability is preferable to chaos.
and to fight violence firsthand yourself?
If by this you mean “do I want to start fights”? Absolutely not. I’m not a douche, I prefer kindness and pleasure whenever possible, and I don’t want to put myself into risky situations that would cause harm to myself or others. Again though, I think most people would take this option over violence when possible.
Of you mean “am I willing to take a punch or get beaten to protect someone I care about?” Then the answer is yes. 100% yes.
I have gotten my genitals bruised by knee punches by a male bully 3 years older than I in high school after he slammed me into the lockers. I have stood in front of one of my half sisters to shield her from shit (like lamps and mantle decorations) our dad was throwing around the room in a bipolar rage. I allowed myself to be used by my stepfather for 7 years because he threatened not only to kill every one of my pets but to use my younger sisters…his own biological daughters…if I didn’t submit or if I told anyone. I got punched in the stomach and jaw by another male bully in middle school, this time for standing up for a friend who I didn’t want to see hurt. Even as my gums bled, I was thankful the blow landed on me and not Nick. There’s other times I’ve put myself in danger for others, including children I didn’t know, but the list goes on too much.
Point is, I care about people in general, and especially those I love. I would do *anything* to protect them, even if it means I get hurt. It’s not even something I have to think about. It is automatic.
Nothing against anyone here, but I don’t think I fit in on this blog, as helpful to others as it is. I’ll be over at Spawny’s though. 🙂
Have a lovely…whatever time slot you’re in, everyone! 🍻 Cheers.
@ tarn again I am not picking on you, I sorry if it seems that way!
The point I was trying to make re anarchy is that we all rely on men who are willing to be violent so we don’t personally have to. That safety is provided by and those men paid to either job(military, police,etc.) by taxes.
Anyway what you experienced, nobody should have to experience. That truly WAS oppression, abuse, victimization. A woman saying a guy opening the door for her is oppression or a woman who gets drunk and willingly (at the time) has sex then calls it rape isan affront to those who have truly experienced oppression or rape.
I was riffing off your comments to make a general point or to further discussion, not to put you personally on the FI hot seat and I truly apologize if by my doing so it made you feel attacked. I can get swept up in the discussion at times. Peace and you are welcome here, k? I will back off.
*sigh* *rubs temples*
It’s not you, Bloom. It’s really not.
And I’m sorry I snapped, that was not polite of me, but I still think it needed to be said.
I loathe the kind of women who are all “Rawr! Grrl power!” when they’re safe behind their little keyboards sipping lattes in an air conditioned cubicle but then are the first to revert to “Don’t hurt me, I’m just a widdle girl!” when the shit hits the fan. They disgust me.
My message to them:
Honey, nobody needs your kind. Either follow through with your words, earn respect instead of demanding it, and take your hits/make sacrifices like a man would since you want to be counted as close to equal as possible, or take your head out of your ass long enough to recognize that you are expecting chivalry, masculine kindness, and unlimited protection without doing a single Gods damned thing to be worthy of it. While you’re at it, stop shitting on the men who are giving you those protections you aren’t even willing to take a single punch for. In other words, shut the F up.
I love feminine women like you, Bloom.
I really do. You’re what womenkind could still be, I truly believe that. Men offer you protection and love because you are their compliment, just like we’ve been talking about here. Ladies like yourself are treasures, and good men like the ones here recognize that. I do not think any ladies should ever be pressured into acting against their natures. It does so much harm to you, to society, to men and children. I wish society wasn’t how it is.
But the other thing that people don’t get is, I’m not a lady. I never have been. I never will be. If I could skin myself right now and find a male body underneath, I’d do so in a heartbeat. As such, I do not ever automatically expect protection, or respect, or safety from danger. Men don’t, so I don’t either. Now, I’m not an asshole. I practice kindness, common courtesy, empathy. I try everyday to hold myself to virtues like honesty, integrity, patience, keeping my body and mind strong and healthy, helping those who are weaker than I, like children, the elderly, vulnerable/hurt men and women. I say thank you to those who open doors for me…but will always return the favor if I can.
But I am not feminine.
I’m not a lady.
I make a terrible woman.
I’m involuntarily female, and I do whatever it takes aside from unnecessary surgery to try and be what I so desperately wish I was. Is this pathetic or doomed to fail?
Some would say yes. That’s fine.
When the “zombie apocalypse” hits, I will most likely die along with a bunch of other people. I accept that. But I’ll be damned if I go down without my machete in my hand and this fire in my soul.
I’m done for the rest of the day, I think.
Too much work to do, not enough hours, all that jazz. I apologize for corrupting the thread, Bloom, and thank you for letting me talk. Cheers. 🍺
No worries Tarn! Cheers!
For the record I am an odd mix of total tomboy and girly girl. I am not very good at fighting tho, but if I were backed in a corner, and especially if the Bloomettes were endangered, I’d do my damn best. I have a whole lifetime of pent up whoop ass I hope will come flying out on such an occasion if needed! 🙂
In the Zombie Apolcalype I’d probably fight more “girl style” as in acting friendly or like I am going along and then — shiv! 😉 All surprise like.
stems from a life time of making good decisions and a willingness to listen to other men and change my plans when better intell comes.
Good approach this is.
Best to correct it is
Anyone can hurt a child or a woman or a cripple so it doesn’t add to a mans status
Not in the Western world at least but that doesn’t change the fact sometimes you have to anywhichway
Sometime back there was a news story about some dude that got his junk cut off and was fighting in MMA as a woman. He did tremendous damage to the real girls, crushing one girl’s eye socket with one punch. Think about that; a guy without his balls and weighing with in 10 pounds or so of some supposedly trained female fighter, crushed her face with one punch
Women make shitty men no matter how spun up they are so I can only laugh at the I’ll go down like a lady viking warrior thing
Beyond ridiculous to comprehend
That last post is about as clear as it can get. Tarn is damaged–probably irreparably–by the things that have happened to her. All of her social dynamics are so skewed by that that she is incapable of analyzing normal dynamics. It is similar to the confusion sodomites experience with the sexual habits of normal people. Lacking the proper frame of reference, they come up with all sorts of strange ideas, like Tarn has.
All sorts of women try to tell me that they are my equal, and I just laugh at them. They like to say that they could beat me. Until, of course, I let them know that I do not hold back. Then I hear, “You can’t hit me–I’m a girl!” Equality until it has a price, then they are all proponents of hierarchy.
The Shadowed Knight
@ tsk no doubt Tarn’s experiences have shaped her but those things were beyond her control so I admire her ability to craft a life from the hand dealt. So yes, these things may have (likely have) colored some of her perceptions of things, and for that I place the blame on those who did the damage, not the one who endured/survived it. Tarn is positive and kind and generous, many who have been thru far less aren’t that. So while I know it’s not maybe the male way, let us be kind to one another and respect we are all damaged in our own ways. My mom has her issues but I thank God every day she protected my brother and I from experiencing such abuse from a partner by remaining single after my father passed away rather than remarry badly for her own convenience. She did us right there, and I am thankful. (Not that I am blaming Tarn’s mom, unless she looked the other way about the abuse, and if so then I would say no mother should allow that. I’d live on the streets w the Bloomettes first! Fu(k that noise!)
Hugs to Tarn.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/17/entertainment/ronda-rousey-feat/index.html
There you go Ton — a former pro UFC fighter who is looking to make babies! God help us if you two got together!!! The baby would be born kicking a**!
No doubt Tarn’s experiences have shaped her but those things were beyond her control so I admire her ability to craft a life from the hand dealt.
Credit where it is due, I have not done so totally alone. My SO helped me also.
So yes, these things may have (likely have) colored some of her perceptions of things, and for that I place the blame on those who did the damage, not the one who endured/survived it.
They have, that is correct. I too blame those who did those things, but not those who simply share physical traits with them. That would be unfair.
Tarn is positive and kind and generous, many who have been thru far less aren’t that.
Thank you, Bloom.
The baby would be born kicking a**!
Probably fly out of the womb like Bruce Lee they would…
she is such a loony bitch she still thinks she is undefeated and thought about eating a gun over something as routine as loosing a fight
Ah I see Ton, I misunderstood. 🙂
yes, to not realize that in any sport there will be a day when one is defeated, and to react to that by contemplating suicide is indeed odd. Yeah…. Maybe not good mother material!
LOL no but this is a good example of how men think vs how women “think”
Her father ate a gun, not her fault but left a scar on her no doubt; then her attitude of being able to beat men in the ting is well documented. Can you imagine the shit tests from her? Clearly she is not all that stable and has a bad attitude. That screams the bitch will have to feel your pimp hand at some point
Really the only thing she has going for her is as breeding stock since she is clearly a gifted athlete for a woman and when it comes to breeding it is hard to find good female stock
Yes I did not know about the fighting guys and such, I was thinking purely on the athletics… But true one cannot ignore the cray cray, that’s genetic too.
RPG,
I have followed several red pill sites for a while now, but this is the first post I felt like trying to add something to. So Congratulations, you got me to stop lurking.
I have a ton I could say about this but I will try and keep it succinct and see if anyone agrees with me. Maybe nobody will agree with me, I do tend to have my own take on things.
First, I agree that men and women see respect differently as outlined in this post. (Confirmed this last night while talking to my wife.) With men you must earn respect.
What no one has mentioned is that with men you can earn negative respect. Essentially everyone I meet starts at zero respect and you can go up or down from there. I will give you an example; you guys mention all men naturally know their social hierarchy and that there is always an AMOG. I say BS, there is always someone who thinks they are AMOG and they are loosing respect fast. 99.9% of all AMOG type men earn negative respect, but women, on the other hand, give them almost infinite respect.
There are many substitutes for respect but they are not respect. Some of your commenters have hit on these substitutes. Relatively good substitutes for respect could be; admiration,prestige, titles and difference. Poor/bad substitutes for respect power, fear etc… All of these substitutes give you the feel of respect but they are not respect. Let me give you an example, I believe Ton compared respect to fear and from a few comments it appears that Ton is a large and powerfully built man. So if Ton and I were in the same social setting, he might be the AMOG and if he threatened me I would probably fear him. Ton might feel respect, but what he has really earned is disrespect/disdain. If the threat to me was serious enough he would never see another sunrise and it would not involve firearms or a physical confrontation (no real life danger/threat is being implied). Anyways, there are many substitutes for respect.
Tarn mentioned that the group of men she ‘games’ with does not have a consistent AMOG and this is the true nature of most men. A group of men will naturally form a team with each man being AMOG when needed. AMOG usually only comes into play when trying to attract females and only among men you don’t respect.
Last thing I will mention for now, women can earn respect (many of your commentators disagree with this) but they will never earn as much as a man can.
There are a few thought to chew on, if anyone disagrees I’m always willing to learn.
Thanks for adding that gofigure! I would agree with much of what you said, especially how women get confused by the false AMOG or false Alpha.
Ton is indeed a unique character. He’s a retired special forces opps guy, and of Scottish descent. If that helps explain…yes he is on the extreme end of things, for sure. He is likely also talking about a battle situation with the fear thing, not having to chest bump every guy he meets in everyday life. But he has a way of cutting thru the bs I find refreshing, and adds a lot to our discussions. Welcome, I am flattered my post brought you pout of lurking! 😀
goFigure,
I agree with most of your comment, including the part about Fear not being the same as Respect, and in fact being a poor substitute for it. Regarding this;
Tarn mentioned that the group of men she ‘games’ with does not have a consistent AMOG and this is the true nature of most men. A group of men will naturally form a team with each man being AMOG when needed. AMOG usually only comes into play when trying to attract females and only among men you don’t respect.…
It is good to see that other people, especially men, have seen what I have experienced and spoken of here. Perhaps you and I simply know a different type of men than Ton talks about.
Last thing I will mention for now, women can earn respect (many of your commentators disagree with this) but they will never earn as much as a man can.
This is the only thing I’d place a clarifier on (but again, keep in mind this is also only based on my personal experiences with males who are close to me, and shouldn’t be considered true for all). What I’ve seen is that, amongst certain men, women can earn the same amount of respect as a man BUT they must work much harder for it, and usually for a longer span of time. This is due, at least in part, to the concept of the “pussy pass” aka awards/praise come far easier to a female than a male who performs the same task. Hence, men who recognize this need a woman to prove she is not just skating along on the gynocentric privileges given to her by our faulty society, but that she is a real worker.
Tarn,
Let me say this about women earning as much respect as a man:
First my definition for the highest level of respect= a willingness to submit to another because of great characteristics of that other person. In other words I think that other person is more capable and better able to make decisions for my life than I am. Therefore I will follow them.
If you are in a bad situation and you temporarily follow someone who you think gives you the best chance to get out of the situation; that is not the highest level of respect it is simply survival.
That level of respect truly has to be earned over time by people that are amazing. Can a women earn this level of respect? Maybe, in theory. I really don’t know. I have only met 7-8 people like this in my life and they have all been men. The women who know these men RESPECT them and follow. These great women seem to all have similar traits to each other. Traits like listening, supporting and following. This leads me to think that men and women have different parts to play and that women probably can not earn that level of respect.
My guess is the men you associate with do not have any women that they respect at this level. I would also give it 90% chance that they have never met a man they respect at that level either.
As far as women working harder to earn respect then men; this only happens when they try to earn respect like men do. If women follow the female path to respect they will earn respect quickly and easily.
goFigure,
First my definition for the highest level of respect = a willingness to submit to another because of great characteristics of that other person. In other words I think that other person is more capable and better able to make decisions for my life than I am. Therefore I will follow them…That level of respect truly has to be earned over time by people that are amazing. Can a women earn this level of respect? Maybe, in theory. I really don’t know. I have only met 7-8 people like this in my life and they have all been men.
This is a fair assessment, and one I certainly appreciate. I have never met anyone who would fit this definition. It must truly be fantastic to meet such a person, and maybe I will someday.
My guess is the men you associate with do not have any women that they respect at this level. I would also give it 90% chance that they have never met a man they respect at that level either.
You would most likely be correct. Though I cannot speak for them, we have had many conversations in related topics (leadership, being a follower vs loner vs leader, what it would take to earn such respect, etc) and to my knowledge they haven’t met a man nor woman like this.
As far as women working harder to earn respect then men; this only happens when they try to earn respect like men do.
Right again, goFigure. I should have specified that this is what I was referring to. Apologies for not taking the time to clarify beforehand, that was my mistake.
RPG,
I would like to try and clear up what you wrote in this paragraph. (How to you italicize/bold on this website?)
Men and especially groups of men seem to automatically think in hierarchies. In a room full of men, it is immediately clear to all of them (without anyone even saying so) where they all “rank” so to speak in the order of males in the room.
No, No, men do not think Hierarchical we think compartmentally. In a room full of men only a few of these men ‘matter’ the rest are ‘nonentities/do not matter’ until they earn respect. So yes in a group, all men understand this, they understand that they do not matter. Women think holistically and think everyone in the room is important/matters.
Seemingly subconsciously, the Alpha Male of the Group (AMOG) emerges, and the rest fall in line accordingly.
Alpha males do not exist to males; only to females. To the men, this so called AMOG is still in the ‘nonentity/ does not matter’ box. Possibly if a man is fixated on female attention then AMOG might matter to him.
There may be some posturing to establish this, but it ends relatively quickly (or if not, it’s likely they will spar verbally, physically, or both.)
Childish and Juvenile, these men now move from the “does not matter: box into the “dead to me/ less than human” box. They have now earned negative respect. Yes, some silly women will be impressed. For a women who knows what she wants in life these events presents a great chance to find Mr. right. You look around the room for men that laugh/roll their eyes or otherwise disparage/mock this behavior. Those are more likely to be the type of men you want in your life.
There is no debate. There is no discussion. There is no consensus. There is no vote. It’s not even necessarily seen as negative or a slam on the individual man based on where he ranks.
Non of these things are needed. The men involved have earned their respect. In this particular case it was negative respect.
Each man simply understands and *automatically accepts* his place in the order.
Yes each man still understand that their is only a few men in the room that are in the ‘this person matters/I respect him’ box. And each man in the room has noted the spectacle and adjusted those individuals into the appropriate box.
I really hope this helps you understand why men can accept social things as easily as they do. It might help you understand how men work a little too.
goFigure,
Italics = words
Bold = words
Crossed out =
wordsUnderline = words
Just get rid of the extra spaces I had to put. Example: or is how they should look.
Damn it. Having the extra spaces works on my blog…
Here, just use these directions:
http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_formatting.asp
Thanks for adding that gofigure, I appreciate a guy’s take on this, as I can only understand it from observation, not experience. 🙂 Interesting!
Cool, glad you heard something new. (let me try this)
Let me mention a little about how women can move through the box’s (gain/lose respect).
In the aforementioned room full of men we will assume there is an approximate number of women. These women also automatically go into the ‘nonentities/does not matter’ box except for those few who may have already earned respect. This second group of women would fit into the ‘this person matters’ box. Women can actually fit into more than one series of boxes, just because they are female:). Yes, even in the basic thinking level of the male mind women get privilege.
For the women in the ‘nonentities/does not matter’ box they can simultaneously be placed into the ‘attractive/like to get to know her’ box, the ‘indifferent’ box, the ‘just no’ box etc… So women are categorized both as people (respect/no respect) and as partners (interested/no way).
A women can gain respect very easily. For example; smile be friendly and say hello, maybe chat a little. Bang you have just moved from the ‘does not matter’ to the ‘she matters’ box. (Men can not earn respect this easily it takes much more effort and time). For women the effort is maintaining that level of respect. It can be lost as easily as it came. The key is to be consistent and be careful who you associate with (ie why men tend to care about your history).
Moving from the ‘does not matter’ to the ‘she matters’ box does not necessarily have any connection to how the man views her in terms of a partner. Women struggle with this concept because they think holistically so both respect and partner interest move hand in hand. Again that is not the case with men.
Hey RPG
Thanks for the cool site. I really admire your dedication to this idea.
I appreciate the chance to come on here and share a few thoughts. It has helped me identify a weakness I have, so now I can go and work on being a better me.
Best wishes to you and everyone else.
Go figure thank you for visiting, I hope you won’t be a stranger! Peace!
Hey, GoFigure.
Sad to see you leave.
If you ever want to discuss games or get recommendations like you mentioned before, you can leave a comment on my blog tarnishedsophia.wordpress.com, or find me over at spawnyspace.wordpress.com. Hope to see you around!
RPG,
I will not really be gone, just lurking in the shadows.
My input is not really needed. I am at a different phase of life than your other readers. You see, I went MGTOW 27 yrs ago, before there was an internet or cell phones, and have lived that way since. The only alpha male I recognize is Jesus Christ the rest of us are pathetic in comparison. I found and married a women just like your babysitter Samantha (try telling Samantha that she is a feminist robot), except my wife uses radio, internet etc. My wife planned on having a large family of 5-6 kids, unfortunately after 4 c-sections her body can not take anymore. The last one required her to go back into surgery the day after the c-section to stop internal bleeding.
We have been married and together for 15 yrs. During that time she has proven her love and devotion over and over. She has fought for our marriage more than I have, sometimes being married to a MGTOW is challenging. You see divorce is not an option for her (I won’t bother to explain this further). I completely and absolutely love and adore her (so beta of me) and I have just pulled off a really awesome 15th anniversary.
My experiences fall outside of what your readers think is acceptable.
I mentioned that I need to work on being better. Communicating or here helped me realize that the men I admire and respect give advice sparingly and measure their words carefully. They show lots of wisdom. I am going to work on following their example.
Or if you like; I’m a ‘mangina’.
I’ll show myself the door now.
I’m a mangina.
GoFigure, I think this assertion is a direct contradiction to the fact you are actively MGTOW and embrace at least some of the Red Pill ideology. More likely, you’re just Purple Pill/egalitarian like myself.