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Before I started following the manosphere, I pretty much believed the main stream media’s portrayal of male emotions — meaning namely that men have fewer emotions than women.
Turns out, it’s not true. Men actually feel emotions very deeply, perhaps even more deeply than women. But how those emotions are processed and expressed is different, so on the surface this can give the appearance that men do not have the emotional depth or breath that women do. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Women tend to express emotions outwardly, talking freely to friends, family, and others about their emotions. Men tend to express their emotions inwardly, presenting a stoic face to the world even when inside they may be feeling anything but.
According to the “Mental Health” chapter of a book I have been reading, “Is He Worth It: How to Spot the Hidden Traits of a Good Man” by Shawn T. Smith, PhD, statistics show that more women than men are diagnosed with and on treatments for mental health issues such as anxiety or depression. This on the surface seems to suggest that women have more mental health issues than men.
But the author goes on to explain when one looks at the bigger picture, men are more likely to engage in substance abuse (alcohol, food, gambling, drugs, etc.) and are a full four times more likely than women to commit suicide. When these factors are taken into account, women and men struggle with these issues at about the same overall percentages, he says.
The difference? Women are more likely to reach out to their doctor or to a mental health specialist for medication and/or therapy when they are feeling anxiety or depression than a man, while men are more likely to self medicate and/or (tragically) commit suicide as a way to cope with their depression or anxiety.
It’s unclear if this is due to a gender difference, a social acceptance difference, or a combination of factors. In general women reach out to others for support, mainly other women. Men often only reach out to their own partner for emotional support, and less frequently to other men or family members.
It’s important for women to understand these differences because many times what seems like relationship problems, a man who is grouchy, sullen, and non-responsive, and/or engaging in substance abuse despite thing seemingly going relatively OK, can often be the result of his feeling anxiety, depression, hurt, or fear in other areas in his life, such as at work, and those emotions are then translated into emotions such as anger or moodiness.
Too often women respond to the expressions of anger and moodiness by internalizing them, thinking it is about the relationship, when in fact it may be completely unrelated. I have personally experienced this, and have seen it in other couples. I have even seen this misunderstanding between male and female emotions lead to unnecessary divorce.
Instead, a woman can and should step back, not take such expressions personally, but consider if in fact they may be signs her man is struggling with anxiety, depression, fear, or hurt in some area of his life. In this case, instead of engaging in conflict with him, taking a patient and empathetic approach combined with and some probing and problem solving may be a far more productive/constructive.
In other words, be a helpmate. Be on his team, rather than adding to his stress. You may be able to help. Or what may be needed is time for him to work it out with your support.
Maybe he needs to consider changing jobs? Maybe he is under too much financial pressure? Maybe he is under too much physical or psychological pressure? Maybe he needs to identify the cause and make some positive life changes that will lead to a resolution of the cause of his struggles?
I hate to admit this but it is true, when I was young and newly married, I almost entirely only considered my own experience, as many women do. What a mistake. I wish I had known this information earlier in life, so I could have been a help to my then husband in his struggle with his feelings about being in a dead-end, no-win, taken for granted job despite his being an excellent worker as well as understood better how his ex girlfriend cutting off contact between him and the child they had as teens were the cause of his drinking and detachment. Instead, like many women do, I was clueless he was even feeling those emotions and just assumed his moody, grumpy, sullen attitude was because he was unhappy with me.
Unfortunately this profound misunderstanding was a big cause of our marriage falling apart, because rather than realize he had for over 10 years been struggling internally with some very powerful emotions, I just assumed when no matter what I did things did not improve, that he just didn’t care to work on “our” problems.
Shortly after our divorce the company he worked for sold to another and he is now one of the most valuable members on their team. So much so the owner has taken him under his wing and is grooming him to be his successor. He’s finally being recognized as the true, loyal, hardworking employee he has always been. He’s also quit drinking, and has been clean and sober for many years. He reunited with his now grown son, and they have a relationship that brings them both great joy. He’s also remarried now, and he seems to be happily so.
I often ask myself “what if?” What if I had understood? What if I had reacted differently? What if I had waited just a little bit longer? But the truth is, I will never know. I can’t go back in time and undo what has been done. All I can do is acknowledge it, learn from it, and do different going forward. And I also hope my sharing this can perhaps help other women (and men) avoid the same outcome.
In short, men do have very deep emotions. When they are grouchy, sullen, angry, or withdrawn it’s often because he’s struggling with those emotions internally. Rather than add to his struggle, do your best to lighten it and to be a point of joy and refuge in his life. Men need their woman to be that.
Perhaps the men here would like to share… is this so, or if not, please share how so in the comments.
The more I learn, the more I see that men and women do not have to be enemies. In fact, I believe that together, as true partners, life is easier for both. It’s too bad society promotes a battle-of-the-sexes approach to remlationships, rather than a collaborative one. Luckily couples in the know can choose to be a team, rather than to be on opposite teams.
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(Please note: I am NOT recommending women silently endure abusive behavior from her man in hopes that things will improve. The above is referring to normal levels of anger, sullen, grouchy male behavior, not ongoing physical, emotional, or verbal abuse. Likewise, men should not endure abusive behavior from women “because of emotions” either.)
Tarn, I really like everything you had to say.
RPG, you seem to have a ‘magical touch’ when it comes to men. Use it wisely and you will always have good men around to help you.
Ame,
Food? You know what bears like! It would be good to meet.
Fuzzie –
my first question … is there anything you’re allergic to, do not like, or do not care for?
and … do you have any preferences?
Ame,
The only thinks that I turn down are sweet potatoes and yams. The first time I had sweet potatoes, I came down with the flu. It’s an involuntary response.
Awww you guys! Well yes, I am indeed grateful and appreciative and express compliments and joy (like clapping and being silly) often, which seems to be appreciated. I also have learned much from a certain bear and sure enough have had lots of snacks, drinks, and a good hearty lunch daily on hand. Both of my neighbor’s buddies have expressed to him how much they enjoy working out here (I am paying them but not nearly what pros would charge and they are happy they are saving me $$$ and are actually very thoughtful of that which I appreciate greatly, too!) really I do have to say, again, how much I have learned from the manosphere which has helped me greatly in my interactions with men in general overall. 🙂 it’s made me a better, more thoughtful woman, I would say and I think guys do get that I “get it” better than most women even if I don’t always “get it” totally. 🙂 all three of these guys are semi disabled from either car accidents or back issues etc. so they can’t work full time but they really seem to be embracing the work here and also I think they actually are enjoying the projects. They are all mtgow of one sort or another not that they have probably ever heard the term… Cool guys, not bitter, not unhappy, but also all seem pretty happy to be bachelors!
Two are divorced, happily so from the sounds of it (drama ex’s) and the third is sort of an odd bird, very artsy and different, not sure of his girl story except he was a caregiver to his dad when he had cancer and then stayed on at home to help his mom after that and he seems very content w life. They all three do.
Great, Fuzzie!
I still look forward to seeing you too.
Thanks, GoFigure. 🙂
Ame, I don’t live near Fuzzie either. It’s 12 hours by car, or a plane ride between us. I’m just going to be in his area because of a convention I’m attending. And yes, I’m in the northeast US.
Fuzzie,
I also don’t like sweet potatoes.
Or meat. *wink*
Don’t worry though, I will make sure we have some on the table for you. It is a steakhouse, after all. Lol
Tarn,
Steak!!! What a wonderful idea! We’ll need to find someplace that has rabbit food too.
RPG,
I said something that was useful? I am blushing.
Many times Fuzzie! The daily feasts were a big hit! 🍕🍗🍝🍤🍩🍰🍪
I am blushing
How bears blush they do?
We’ll need to find someplace that has rabbit food too.
No worries. The restaurant I have picked out has enough vegetable sides for me to pick from to make a meal for myself. It’s all good.
Tarn,
Food and good company!
RPG,
I’ll bet the food made them happier than anything else you could think of.
Yoda,
Pay attention. It’s at the end.
That video got me in trouble. It is more than a little off topic.
AT said (a while ago on this thread):
Sooner or later the fatigue gets to every man and the load gets too heavy. He has to unload on someone and let them pull the weight off of him. Someone who is capable of handling the load and has the strength to lift it off of him before it crushes him.
That’s not your wife. She may be strong in her own way, but this isn’t one of them. When you have her spot for you, what you’re doing is causing real fear in her heart because she *knows* she can’t handle that load, but she’s there and you’re expecting her to be able to do something she knows she can’t do. And when she can’t handle it who get’s hurt? Her husband. That’s called a leadership failure on your part and delusion on her part if she convinces herself that she actually can lift the load off of you when it’s crushing the life out of you.
I’m curious to know what examples could be provided regarding mental/emotional loads that are too “heavy” for a good and actually supportive partner to handle.
What’s too much? Having to draw all those teddy bears in the preceding video? That is a lot of bears!
@ tarn I think what AT means could be things like health, career, finance stuff that shared w a woman could (nawalt) cause her to fret about her own security and then subconsciously or conciously start questioning if she should jump ship. I have seen this happen, and while it is seemingly ruthless from a male pov it seems to be a primitive survival thing that women may not even be aware of at the time. For example I know a gal whose husband got cancer. She had all these thoughts of divorce, thinking it was bc he was grumpy and such but when she went to a therapist they said such thoughts are common but that they are best not acted on so my friend was consoled by that info and was able to let those obsessive out of nowhere thoughts go. As a therapist friend once explained to me, we all have these mental trap doors that can get sprung open by some life trigger and all these yuck emotions come out and then the person looks around in their current situation to find a cause to pin those emotions on logically when in fact they are illogical and internal, not external. So in this case the Woman’s thoughts of divorce were due to her own internal stuff (fear, security, self preservation, etc.) and actually not bc her husband was grumpy. And he was facing sure death, which I think might make anyone grumpy! But bc she was being sophilistic, she was not thinking about his experience, but unfortunately how his experience affected her. Of course he could not hide cancer, but perhaps he would have not had to experience the added burden of her emotional unraveling had he been more stoic. I think that may be what AT is talking about, involving the woman can just add to the burden in many cases. Sadly! 😦
@ tarn and fuzzie wish I could join you guys for dinner, sounds fun! I do wonder about what you all are like irl! 🙂
As our avatars show, we must be very furry.
Tarn
an example. Working for a logistics company (wilson) me and my crew often worked 12 hour shifts in horrible weather to get the birds launched. One rampies wife worked for us inside as a manifester. We would come in between cycles to get warm. She would fawn over the young bucks who were so stoic in the cold. But if her forty something hubby so much as grunted from the cold in his arthritis she would spit daggers with her eyes and call him old and useless. His eyes said it all. Defeated. No hope. Just putting in his time.
Look at a mans eyes. How many have that stare. The one that could be releaved by a kind word ora gracious expression of understanding.
Why do guys in movies or real life talk to strangers in a bar? Because its the only time it doesnt matter. There is no burden of performance after they drink up and leave. They for a brief period are free of expectations and social standing.
The reality of sammiches??? Its for many men the only time anyone…ever….thinks of their needs first and does something for them without expectation of payback.
Bring a man a coffee or a sammich and they will do anything.
To bad most men now are mgtow in mind not because they are fed up or angry. Soime kids are mgtow before puberty. why? Because they see reality and their ecpectations are that no one will bother to make them a sammich…so they learn to make their own. and THAT is infinitely sad.
a simple metephore.
Within five minutes of getting up I am lugging 80 lb hasy bales over two hundred metres to the paddock x 3 or 4. In wind. rain. cold. heat. In a storm when the world is hunkerinfpg down I am out checking on them.
Once and only once manchild called it barn chores. I corrected him. Forcefully.
It is caring for my friends who need help caring for themselves.
The second it becomes a duty or chore you are no longer thinking of them but yourself and that is unworthy of what they give to you.
That is all men want. Not all the time. Not even once a month. Even ONCE.
Unfortunately it doesnt (or rarely) exist for us.
Horseman well said. Yes these guys do seem to enjoy my checking in on them to see if they are hungry or thirsty or whatnot. The manosphere taught me to be aware of that. The other day I had just cracked open a beer and one guy says, “where’s mine?” I smiled and handed him the bottle, asked the others if they wanted one too, went to fetch them giggling to myself at their shocked expressions! Lol, they could not believe it. Major street cred for me w that one!
I have always been a generous caring person so it comes natural but bc men can be so stoic I did not even realize how much such simple acts can mean and also how unfortunately rare they are.
These guys also see I work really hard myself so that helps too. The oldest has remarked to my neighbor several times, “how on earth does she ever keep up with all this?” Charming old house and farm buildings, extensive landscaping, agrotourism, biz open every weekend, weddings to make extra cash flow… It is a lot. But I love what I do so it doesn’t seem like work to me (well sometimes it does.) I would rather do what I do now than work in a cubicle for sure! 🙂
That’s another reason I started this blog, I think like myself many women are clueless to the true male experience. So I hope the articles and comments help raise that awareness. It is far easier for a woman to hear it from a woman than from a man. Sadly most women my age and younger have not been taught about men. They were taught its all about them! Feminism and how it has mislead women is IMHO the female version of the blue pill. When I realized I had been raised to believe that as truth and progress and yet it was largely the cause of my failed relationships and messed up priorities, I was really angry. Just like me. Who are told they need to be more like women, show emotions, be sensitive, be nice and then they get kicked to the curb bc it doesn’t work that way. Men are taught to be women, women are taught to be men. We’d all be better off being ourselves. It’s easier and natural. When those guys were happy, it makes me happy. It makes me want to do more for them, and they want to do more for me. Everyone wins!
Great input horseman and RPG,
It is not just women that struggle with this type of thing. Here is a link about terminal illness and divorce.
http://psychcentral.com/news/2009/11/11/men-more-likely-to-abandon-partner-during-illness/9479.html
Fuzzie –
no sweet potatoes!
food will be homemade and plentiful and yummy 🙂
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Tarn –
“I’m curious to know what examples could be provided regarding mental/emotional loads that are too “heavy” for a good and actually supportive partner to handle.”
i think sometimes this will be personal. for example, as a mom of a special needs kid, my plate is almost always full. it doesn’t mean there isn’t room for other stuff, it means there’s not a lot of room. it also doesn’t mean my husband isn’t important. it means i’m her primary caregiver, and that reality carries a weight and burden i cannot get rid of without getting rid of my daughter, which is obviously not an option – and one he was very aware of when he married me and gained 2 step daughters, and one he willingly chose after careful consideration. there are things that other wives might be able to easily handle that i simply cannot in this season of my life.
another example … there are parts of my husband’s job i cannot handle – my personality. i know other women who find it interesting and love hearing about it. not me. i cannot handle it. at all.
there are somethings my husband could share, and they don’t burden me at all. there are others that weigh me down, pull me down, drag me down. i think both of us knowing those things is greatly helpful. i can ask him to stop, and he knows it’s not that i don’t care or love him, it’s that i cannot go there in my personality.
the flip side of this is that i am continuously amazed that my life is not a weighted burden to him. i ask … and he tells me all the time that my girls and i are not a burden. in my female-ness, i cannot understand how we’re not a burden. in his man-ness, it doesn’t even register that way.
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sammiches … people simply like to know that they are appreciated and thought of. Bloom didn’t just give them food, she did it graciously showing she cared about these men. because they’re people. people like to be cared for in ways that meet them where they are. they were working. they were hungry. she provided food.
one week we left a whole bunch of stuff out for the garbage men. when i heard the truck i went outside and thanked them. sure, it’s their job, but it was still a lot. their smiles were bigger’n texas that someone would care enough to thank them.
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Horseman –
great metaphor.
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Fuzzie –
great videos 🙂
Tarn –
“I’m curious to know what examples could be provided regarding mental/emotional loads that are too “heavy” for a good and actually supportive partner to handle.”
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anything more complex then a stubbed toe
Bloom,
Men aren’t that mysterious. All women had to do was ask. You’re doing so on their behalf now and let’s hope some of them listen.
Keep feeding your helpers. It’s a very powerful form of positive reinforcement.
i hadn’t thought of this in a good while, but i think it fits in here.
my first husband would get intensely angry with me for not thinking and acting like him … basically, for being female. i got to where i’d tell him, “If you wanted that, you should have married another man. I’m a woman.” (yeah, that did not go over well.) however, he was trying to get me to respond to him like a man when i couldn’t, b/c i am a woman. and it made him angry. if he’d have had other men with whom he’d developed friendships with, he could have taken it to them.
Ame,
I like posting videos! Especially if they can make people happy.
As our avatars show, we must be very furry.
Furry I am not.
But cute I am
Being non-furry is no bar to good relations with Wookies for you it is.
As for cute, Mrs Yoda the judge of that she can be.
Ton,
Even your own women?
Horseman,
Any woman who acts like that is simply a gigantic bitch unfit to be in public.
So, once again, it all boils down to the Golden Rule. Treat others as you’d like to be treated. Why this is not the default way of life for most people I do not know, but it can’t be due to difficulty. After all, it is extremely easy to do.
Tarn,
I think the impediment to applying the Golden Rule is that feminism has made relations between the sexes a competition. Men are not to be trusted and, in turn, men can’t trust women. I wish that there were a way out of this.
Fuzzie,
You and I both know that the only way to win is not to play. Mostly for males, but for some females too. It’s just not worth it to follow the rules of a fucked up game…better to acknowledge that it exists, but not condone it. Only do what works for yourself, or you and your SO. It’ll be different for everyone, but at least it won’t be a struggle.
Some dogs are called ‘fear-biters.’ I think the same is true of some people. They may talk about how much compassion & concern they have…may even *feel* compassion and concern…but when they feel a serious threat to their own well-being, they lash out viciously. I would guess that the woman’s horrible response to her husband’s cancer was a species of fear-biting.
Fear-biting humans, I think, are those who do not have a great deal of emotional courage and strength and also who are ‘flooded’ by strong emotions, without the ability to have a small part of their minds observing their own reactions and behavior.
The woman in the airport ramp story is even worse–much worse–she was not under any kind of immediate psychological shock or threat, just regarded her husband like a car that was running rough, leaking oil, and needed to be replaced…not as an actual human being.
It’s just not worth it to follow the rules of a fucked up game…better to acknowledge that it exists, but not condone it. Only do what works for yourself, or you and your SO. It’ll be different for everyone, but at least it won’t be a struggle.
Yes, when the rules are broken you move on to something else.
Tarn,
I don’t know. It seems that the system is set up to mke as many people as possible sad and lonely.
Why do you think I am sleeping with two girls significantly younger then me? Hint, it’s not because I am some sensitive new age guy. There is no shortage of chumps there own age who play that version of failing at life
You and I both know that the only way to win is not to play.
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bullshit
“Why do you think I am sleeping with two girls significantly younger then me?”
Because you can?
Lol kidding but I couldn’t resist!
LOL legit and I can because….. I understand the tactical reality on the ground ie realize how women actually work. not how folks want women( or the world) to work.
@ Ton you do seem to have found a way that works for you and that is good. I wish you and your family much happiness! Give Ton Spawn a big hug for me!
@ Ton in addition, I am not sure how well “The Ton Method” (TM) would work for others. It seems pretty uniquely adapted to you, but perhaps that’s all part of getting the tactical reality, etc? You my friend are one of a kind, and perhaps one Ton per planet is best ratio anyway. Too many Tons would equal mayhem and sparring. Lol. You seem quite the character, if you dont mind me saying so. And I say that as a compliment. Cheers!
The Ton Spawn, Ton JR, the Girls, The Hell Hounds and I are down in Myrtle Beach for Bike Week.
Ton’s Spawn’s 3rd bike rally of the year
Yes the world would collapse in on itself from the weight of sheer awesomeness if there was more then one Ton. However, Deti is dealing with the same reality and has found a way to mange it that suits him. So has BV and countless other men
Same reality, different men, different reality based responses
Lol well you have likely outed yourself now as I am sure your motley crew stands out even at bike week. Lol enjoy yourselves! I’ll watch for photos of your shenanigans on the front page or better yet, national news! Lol.
True each has to cope with the same tactical reality in a way that suits them. You sound happy, or maybe a better word is content. That’s a good thing, to find that somehow that despite the overall situation being far less than ideal. I am all for folks making lemonade when life deals lemons. It’s a good quality!
Safe travels.
So now, don’t tell me you trailered it there, right? But if not how would you all get there? I suppose w a baby one might get a pass… Lol.
MB is right around the corner from us; I rode my chopper down early to set up etc, they came down with the mini RV and trailer and what not. Also brought two girls from the bar to helping with marketing
all the bikes are sold but I have three engines left
Ok, I suppose that is acceptable. Lol!
I think I have mentioned this before, but I rode from the west coast to Sturgis, back of the bike the whole way, 500 miles a day, 118 degree heat. After we got there I was talking to two girls in a bar who “rode” there, turns out they dropped the bikes off the trailer 2 miles from town and “rode in.” When I told them what I had done, they looked at me horrified and said, “You poor thing!” Hardly! It was an adventure and I am proud that I did not wimp out. We did have a truck along the other girls took turns riding in, but not me. Life is for living! I do miss the bike and the road trips… Enjoy!
I was never much into the rallies tho, I mean they were something to see but I would rather spend the time on the road. But you’ve got bidness to do, so that makes sense. Otherwise I found them to be a bunch of blowhard posers, mostly.
I seem to be in a bravado mood today,perhaps I should pipe down before I say things I regret…again. Lol!
True each has to cope with the same tactical reality in a way that suits them.
This is what I was talking about, albeit phrased differently. You don’t play by the messed up rules. You play by your own, or just play a separate game altogether. It’s the only way to succeed nowadays.
RPG,
It has been a week without a new post…….quit slacking.
Do you think you have a real life or something that is more important?
One of the things that I learned working so many Christmases is that those who were fortunate to have the day off to go shopping were smug about it.
Lol Fuzzie, lots of balls in p,ay as I head into high season, I am burning the candle on three ends if that’s possible!
RPG,
I hope that you have a great season. If you need a link for bagpipes, you know who to call.
LOL one of my patches says
I took my bike to trailer week.
200’ish miles on a ridge frame chopper with a high output 124 ci power plant is tough on an semi old man but damn was it cool
Rallies are not what they use to be but they are still fun. Looks like rain will kill this week but if nothing else its a week at the beach and a tax write off. Plus I have been talking with some great builders, mechanics and business men
Folks.
1. Why Ian never left that bitch was always a mystery. They were still together when I left. Tarn was right. She just saw him as a car, an engine to provide and in hermind not a very good one. How many are like that?
2. Tarn and Ton are both right. Only winning move is not to play. BUT not in a sucky taking myball and going home cause no one was nice. Dont play The Game, play your game. I banned “its not fair” when the kids were three. What do we say kids?
“Life is NOT fair….so make it Unfair in YOUR favour.” (while still being nice to animals, preachers, any military vet and old ladies who predate feminism)
3. Idea for blog post….suppose feminism gave up. ok. truce…blah blah.
But the twelve year olds cannot unsee what they were raised with. That:
Hypergamy exists as a natural force.
AF\BB And the 80\20 rule exist as natural strategies.
That nice guys, although good for society..ARE BORING.
Pretty is a force…until 30, 35 tops and then WALL!!?
Mom got cash and prizes but is now a bitter spinster
Dad recovered but lives in an apartment worse than my dorm.
Business does not give a fuck about your family!!!
Work or get replaced and a week before retirement..pinkslip!
Both sexes. Be family guy\gal at soccer practice by 5:30 OR
put in 80 hour weeks for 15 years to score Director’s title.
Choose one, choose now at 25, choose wisely. IRREVOCABLE!
Buy STUFF! …Cause…economy…GNP…Please?
So given they were raised by feminism, saw patriarchy die, watched 2008 happen, Only presidents they know are Bush, Obama and Trump and the 50% rise in retirees when they graduate…..How we gonna get Johny and Sally to play nice and be good little citizens.
reference…google japanese marriage rates or fertility rates..um anywhere.
Ya I said trump. Not endorsement just reading the reality. He feeds em what they want.
Come on we elected pretty Justin because…um his dad was smart? He’s not Harper, and he is So so pretty.
(Hillary is an ugly embodiment of the last twenty years of american governments… a woman technically but….Eesh)
Horseman –
“I banned “its not fair” when the kids were three. What do we say kids?
“Life is NOT fair….so make it Unfair in YOUR favour.” (while still being nice to animals, preachers, any military vet and old ladies who predate feminism)”
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i taught my girls early that life is not fair, just, or equal. when they’d whine that life wasn’t fair, i’d tell them to add it to the list. then they got to where they’d say, “Life’s not fair, and I don’t want to add it to the list!” lol!
but, they’re now 18 and 16, and they KNOW … life is not fair, just, or equal.
If I were to do it over I would:
1. Tell the people in the air conditioned truck who want to lallygag until it gets hot, “too bad!”
2. Travel early morning, break, go again after the heat goes down.
3. Consider a more leisurely schedule, 500 miles a day was brutal even on a more comfortable ride, especially in the heat. I was seriously hallucinating at times, afraid I would fall off the back!
What I would do again:
1. Ride the whole way.
2. Wear my black long sleeved men’s dress shirt from Goodwill while on the road that saved me from the sunburn the other women who wore bikinis and tank tops got (a 60 some biker gal at the bike shop gave me that best advice of the trip!)
3. Get off at every gas stop and douse myself with the hose so I was cool for the next hour.
That’s the extent of my biker chick knowledge. I never did figure out how other girls could still have perfect hair after a ride! Lol.
I wrote my new post on another computer with will now not connect to the Internet for some reason so you guys will have to wait a bit longer till I figure it out! Feel free to tell your favorite adventure stories in the meantime, or whatever… Lol.
RPG,
We’re not going anywhere.
Well Fuzzie, except for Liz that is, waaaaaaa. Sniff. Live in the moment!
Who will tell tales of manatee dioramas so funny coffee comes out my nose, then? Sniff!
but…it’s not about me, it’s not about me, be happy for Liz…sniff
Kidding… just got back from visiting the friend who had back surgery yesterday. We brought him a tablet to watch movies, surf the web, and play games on while he recovers. True to form, he acted like surgery was no big deal, joked and asked when we’d be back to spring him. Luckily there is a seriously cute blond nurse on shift tonight. He’d said he’d be working the call button! 😉 Gnite!
ditto Bloom on Liz 😦
LOL rookies….
One thing the military is good for is teaching a man how adversarial the weather and terrain is. Both greatly influence my riding schedule/ route
sunburn ruins a lot of trips and being covered up works much better then sun screen…. use both. generally I wear a long sleeve shirt, a hat and a face mask. And I still get sunburn all the time
always choose comfort and extended ridding time over style or looking cool
however, 500 miles seems pretty leisurely to me. Bike depending. 500 miles on my chopper or bobbed out Raider would be no fun. 500 miles on my older Electraglide is no big deal, its down right easy on my new’ish Electraglide. Unless I have the side car on her.
I did the iron-butt 1000 miles in 24 hours this spring. that was a legit ride but even then I planned the ride and rode the plan. stopped every 100 miles for gas, was off my bike for 10-20 mins per stop.
Idea for blog post….suppose feminism gave up. ok. truce…blah blah.
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might as well wonder what the world would be like if there really was a jolly fat man bringing presents to all the kids on the nice list once a year
RPG,
Is Liz gone now? The last I heard, it was just for the weekend. Yes, I will miss her. She is a well grounded married woman and brings a lot to the threads.
Oh, and I concur. *sniff*
1000 miles in 24 hours, sounds fun! So long as it’s not freezing cold, raining, etc. of course!
The new post which I hope to liberate today is based off a letter my neighbor’s crazy ex sent him that illustrates a girl “don’t!” As in don’t be crazy drama, it only throws gas on the fire. Chillax, woman! Coming soon…
I don’t think she’s gone-gone. But yes, she always has such great insight, and just plain fun stories to add. I will miss that. She’s a voice of reason. 🙂
“might as well wonder what the world would be like if there really was a jolly fat man bringing presents to all the kids on the nice list once a year”
uhhh … there’s not? really? but … but … *tears!*
And I am not sure if she is chronoligaccly my elder but I consider her wiser and more knowledgable than myself in these matters since she was already there when I found the manosphere, so she’s kind my trusty guide in some ways. Sniff…
Ame,
This should make you fell better.
RPG,
Liz has a different life experience. She married well and is still married. I don’t know how rare that is but, it is hard to point to successful marriages.
Fuzzie –
LOVE! 🙂
Ton
always so literal.
I meant was now that feminism is so blatant about hypergamy etc. and mgtow is wildly spreading, at some point they are gonna try to put the genie back in the bottle. thoughts?
in 24 hours there is some of all that.
Ton
always so literal.
I meant was now that feminism is so blatant about hypergamy etc. and mgtow is wildly spreading, at some point they are gonna try to put the genie back in the bottle. thoughts?
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you’re basic premise is false. Women will not attempt to put the genie in the bottle. They will double down on all the failed same old same olds…. like shaming attacks and what not
If I had a dollar for every sincere apology or attempts to make amends from women I’d have….. 0 dollars. It is not in them
Agreed but eventually the generation behind us will have been so inattentive to 75% of the female population and the top alphas so far into blatant entitled pump and dump the average girl will be desperate for attention. or just someone to do her work for her. and the guys raised by single mothers being mgtow from birth. Look at the state of japan. Eventually there will be an oh shit moment for the average girl.
likely not in my lifetime but what then.
It cannot go on forever. What will follow. and dont say a matriarchy because guys will just walk first.
Earlier today I was pondering what was happening when the strict controls on women came into play in the ME. Was it a reaction to a former period of women gone wild? While I would not want to live that way, it seems to make hypergamy and other things impossible. I wonder if a hard reset where women are forced to behave will be how that goes down rather than women see they need to change?
And by that I mean women collectively not that individual women can’t reject feminism, but would most? Hummm… It would take a pretty good reason, chaos of some sort where women turn to men, or are forced to, because it’s that or not surviving?
It won’t go on for ever.
Things are not working out the way you predict in japan or any other other European nations with extreme low birth/ marriage rates
we will either force women into their proper roles( physical force, Game etc) or be replaced as a people. Women will not change anything to better the condition of men or women voluntarily
Extrapolating from today in japanand germany where the governments are desperate for marriage\babies it would seem Ton is right.
But will a people quietly self destruct like that? Or am I being too rationale and logical?
Horseman,
There is a theory that has had some circulation among academics that here was a “genetic bottleneck” about forty thousand years ago. Humanity was reduced to maybe twelve reproducing couples worldwide. We can bounce back.
And remember, hypergamy is not just on a one on one level… So long as women perceive “Daddy govt.” is the safest bet, they will if not “marry” to that, she’ll keep it as a beta orbiter. Once daddy govt. can’t compete, then he will be abandoned. Unfortunately that scenario carries much destruction in its wake before the ship turns…
RPG,
I hadn’t considered that. It just gets worse.
Ton –
“Women will not change anything to better the condition of men or women voluntarily”
I agree.
Or am I being too rationale and logical?
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reckon y’all already know where I stand on that one.
women are not rational and most men only look rational by way of comparison with women.
Hi Bloom!
Just checking in…been busy.
“And by that I mean women collectively not that individual women can’t reject feminism, but would most? Hummm… It would take a pretty good reason, chaos of some sort where women turn to men, or are forced to, because it’s that or not surviving?”
People don’t usually go against their own best interests. The only way women will reject feminism is if and when they are convinced feminism goes against their interests. That’s going to be a hard one with the current memes of society, but if they change, people will change. Change the incentives/ social conditioning, you change the behavior. This happens organically, not via logic or reason.
FWIW, this is as true of me as it is anyone else. My beliefs and practices are very much tied to my own best interests (which naturally are very much tied to the best interests of my family). I might be more aware than average of what my best interests are. People are often not very good at measuring value or cost to gains equations in their own lives. Maybe they find it too clinical.
Liz,
Hi!
I think that it’s possible for people to do things without their best interests in mind, and even do them happily (or at least not consider them a burden). For example, I worked a 9 hour shift on Monday + commute in my car for 4 hours, so I was dog-tired when I got home at 8. But then I got a call from one of my gaming buddies who needed help loading firewood into his truck. I went and helped til 10:30, even though all I wanted to do was eat a mini microwave pizza and watch some video game playthroughs on YouTube. I’m even more tired for my shift today, so helping wasn’t really in my “best interests”…yet it’s still something that needed to be done, because it was in the best interest of my friend.
Perhaps if enough women see that the current state of society hurts men and boys they legitimately love/care about, then they’ll be motivated to change even if it doesn’t directly benefit them as an individual.
Liz,
No t only will they act in their own interests, they will promote their own agenda and all this happens subconsciously. They aren’t even aware of it.
Hi Tarn. 🙂
“I’m even more tired for my shift today, so helping wasn’t really in my “best interests”…yet it’s still something that needed to be done, because it was in the best interest of my friend.”
In the scenario you presented, helping your friend was still in your best interest. You weighed the costs to gains and decided to help him. Things like personal character, morals, standards, just feeling good for helping someone all come into play in the cost to gains equation. If NOT helping someone would cause you more distress/discomfort than helping them, that’s a cost to gains equation too.
Bottom line nutshell: The way one measures these cost to gains equations are THE MEASURE for a person’s character.
its also possible to win the lottery but do we plan our lives and courses of civilizations on such unlikely to occur events?
I’ve noticed there’s very often a communication misunderstand when it comes to the topic of self interest. “Wait a minute…I do good things for people all the time…what about altruism?” and so forth. Much like I don’t believe in “unconditional love” I believe that everyone is motivated (on some level) by self interest in every action. That’s why social conditioning and environment are so important. Those things influence behavior because they influence the cost to gains equation.
So, are there good and generous people? Yes. Are there very bad people? Yes. But everyone is motivated by self interest, at the root of it. And I think it’s helpful to look at beyond oneself and observe motivations when discussing (or interpreting) the reasons why people do what they do (the question, for example, of what motivates me is pretty key to my own self-awareness…and I do good things for people all of the time).
That doesn’t mean people don’t act generously or honorably.
If NOT helping someone would cause you more distress/discomfort than helping them, that’s a cost to gains equation too.
…hmm.
Y’know, I never thought of it that way.
It would have made me a shitty friend to not help him, imo, so that was part of my decision making process.