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Have you ever noticed that women tend to be very selective about which parts of the equality pie they actually want when it comes to equal rights?
For example, women want to be doctors, lawyers, or CEOs, but I never have heard any woman question why garbage collectors are mostly men, or fight to bring that ratio closer to 50%. No. Women don’t want the downsides of being “just like a guy” only the upsides, only the gravy, or for the sweets people, the cherry on top.
Well sisters, that ain’t equality! Simple as.
As I have written about before, men do a lot of the suck jobs and the boring jobs and the dangerous jobs and the hard jobs that make life work. And they don’t expect a gold star for it. (But a sandwich and a smile and a “thank you” would sure go a long way.)
Also note, equality is not the same as extra rights. People don’t like to play with those who demand they get every toy in the sandbox and that everything always goes their way. For many women equal rights seems to be translating into “I can do whatever the hell I want and if you cry foul, you’re a sexist hater!” (Or worse.) The oppressed become the oppressor. Again, that’s not equal.
Anyway, talk amongst yourselves 🙂 What do YOU think equality is all about? Is it even possible? Ideal?
Notes From a Red Pill Girl 
Equality originally in Enlightenment thought meant not a set of different laws for different classes. In any case the concept has been taken in strange directions. I see on Dalrock Blog there are guys that have noticed some of the problems that feminism has entailed. And some seem to have no patience for those that fiddle around about it. They are not backing down from people that are unwilling to state openly that feminism is bad thing. That is encouraging. And the fellow himself Ken who is taking a lot of heat seems to be getting the message and has not escaped but has remained on that blog to take the heat. It is encouraging to see people take these issue to heart.
If feminism would’ve been about equality, it’s closest ally would be MRA movement. After all, they have the same aim. Yet feminists usually hate MRAs’ guts. Because it was never about any form of equality, just a moral screen for a power grab in zero-sum game.
Anyway, feminism never cared about below-the-median women. For them, feminism replaced a role of housewife with three kids to a single mom biping things at a Walmart’s till for a (crappy) living. Reality bites, but if you’re a well-off, you are insulated and may continue your virtue signaling game while someone else bites the dust.
Sergey nails it! Comment of the week. And it is curious how men’s rights activists get absolutely shut down and demonized for their efforts??? A few years back they tried to organize a conference and had to move it to a foreign legion hall bc of the threats of harm, the hotel they originally planned to meet in actually felt it was unsafe for them to host. Imagine if a women’s right’s meeting was hounded like that? There would be shock, indignation, horror! But did the news even report on it? Crickets.
Oh I am all fired up now, don’t get me started! So unfair. Sad.
Thanks for commenting 🙂
Her’s a post about the MRA meeting for background: https://notesfromaredpillgirl.com/2014/05/28/in-support-of-the-manosphere/
Another blast from the past:https://notesfromaredpillgirl.com/2014/06/09/what-is-the-manopshere/
Women are basically children. They just want to eat the cake, not have a hand in baking it. That’s the adult’s job. So, place that analogy into the business world. The want to PLAY doctor, lawyer and CEO, not do the actual work. That’s the adult’s (men) job.
Indeed Juliath, and worse, then the women complain about the cake they wanted but didn’t bake! Ak!
Thanks for commenting!
I know women who are lawyers and CEOs who do plenty of actual work, and do it well.
Yes, there is a lot of fantasy about ‘I could be a (top lawyers, Fortune 50 CEO, etc) by people who really could not do the work and wouldn’t like it if they could…but that’s no reason to impugn those who actually DO work and achieve results.
No female interest in this post.
Women don’t comment on blogs like this. Unless it’s to say how empowered they are to be rid of their abusive, addicted husbands. Quelle surprise.
Children stare at the wall and try to sleep while Mommy entertains the latest gentleman caller.
I’m trying to figure out which impugned women Foster is defending from whom.
White knights and fairy tales: like a fast food drive thru. You know what you’re going to get, so it would be great if it were hot and interesting.
Men account for over 93% of work place deaths and over 99% of combat deaths. Weird how women don’t complain about equality there either.
BV…should be pretty obvious which comment I was responding to:
Juliath83:
“The(y) want to PLAY doctor, lawyer and CEO, not do the actual work.”
There is no equality. There cannot be. Women are not physically capable of many men jobs. ( modern life is closing the gap) but the physical jobs like lineman, steel worker, fisherman just cant be done by women. They maybe an muscle thru a brief physical test but do not have the stamina to do physical work in numbing cold or blistering heat for ten hours at a stretch. Then again many of the manchildren now couldn’t either.
But the great awakening is coming. Brexit showed what happens when people who DO are taken for granted. And note the lack of physical intervention in Cologne. Not the bullshit white knighting afterwards. That night when women needed physical protection and cried “men help us”….crickets.
Even troll the various womenz boards like Huffpo. Years ago thousands of outraged men commenting. Now….yawn, whatever. The conversation has been done to death. Women will not change. White knights will always suck up but there are fewer lately. PUAs will take advantage of the wreckage. And most men will ….huh what, you sayin something? whatever.
Feminism has become background noise. e.g. the article where big red was complaining that three years later she is still harassed because of her outburst (wait til she tries to find a date. men vett using the net now) and the article didnt even get traction in any of her sister blogs. Before it would have been See the Oppression. Now more crickets. As Ferris said “What You’re still here? Its OVER. Go home.”
Yes David that is true, I do not mean to say women CAN’T do these things, more saying we can’t all have the expectation to be super extraordinary special snowflakes 🙂
BV, so cheery today! Good to see you 😉
Good point Ken, excellent point in fact! Thanks for adding that!
Horseman, yep. Crickets.
@ David I think BV was talking to me actually! 🙂
Oh wait, I see now, never mind.
BV you have worked with a lot of women, now I am not going to ask if they did an equal job as men or put you in the hot seat but surely there were *some* good at their jobs? Great, even?
The gal who had the high flying tech career, she’s helping me with sales and she is a bang up, wiz at it, helping out a lot, but she has paid in her personal life for putting career in the top spot and often bemoans going home to a house with only two dogs waiting to greet her… not a family like she wishes. So what I am saying is women CAN have a career, and do, but it often comes at a trade otherwise and many women are not told that, they are instead sold, “You can have it ALL!”
I was acquainted with a gal who graduated from a famous law school and became a tough criminal lawyer. She also has a stunning daughter who was 5’10” and a 9+, who got modelling contracts in L.A. After her divorce, she quit her career in law to become a life coach and followed her daughter to L.A where she does improv theater in the comedy clubs there. I was puzzled at her decision, but to each there own, I thought.
David Foster wrote:
“I know women who are lawyers and CEOs who do plenty of actual work, and do it well.
Yes, there is a lot of fantasy about ‘I could be a (top lawyers, Fortune 50 CEO, etc) by people who really could not do the work and wouldn’t like it if they could…but that’s no reason to impugn those who actually DO work and achieve results.”
Well said! There are many people who want to talk about what they could do, or would do, but they never do it. Males and females both can fall into this trap.
But those who do the work? They are doing the work! End of story!
In the western world, there isn’t much standing in the way of a woman becoming a doctor or lawyer, and if they are up to the task and put their nose to the grindstone, more power to them! But, if they want extra perks because of their gender, they can go pound sand.
BV – haha! perhaps some of us women were doin’ the wife and mother thang 😉 tehe.
anyway … since i just now had time to read this … i can only just now comment.
my comment: … life is *not* fair, just, or equal. get over it. and *ideal* doesn’t exist except in fairy tales … and as a male friend of mine often says … “fairy tales are for fairies.”
what do i like about the ‘equality’ movements? i like that women can read b/c i like to read. my daughters concur. we are readers in our home.
Feminism has always compared the lot of women in general to that of men at the apex before asking for parity or equality. That would not make women equal to men.
As for Horseman’s observation on New Year’s Eve in Cologne, it is my theory that the men weren’t even there. They had all been turned down for dates and stayed home. There was something that happened recently that was similar to this that begged the question, “Where are all the men?”
When feminists ask for equality, they seek advantage for women at the expense of men,
RPG,
It was a good thing that Terrence Popp had a connection to that VFW Hall or it would not have happened. A lot of it was the the Detroit Police asking an arm and a leg for added security.
David Foster,
Why don’t you try to get laid on someone else’s blog? Spoiler alert: it won’t work there, either. Let the Strong, Independent Women™ defend themselves. Episodes of Buffy don’t count. Unlike the fairy tales you reference, women rarely fall for the men to save them. Don’t be that guy. Incel is not something to aspire to.
Those of us that are single should be allowed to flirt. it’s normal and healthy.
I should give the matter of competition among men more thought before commenting but, it should not be underhanded or vicious.
Love Terrance Pop! (Shhhh, but I find him darn funny! Un PC and all.)
Terrence Popp made me realize how ugly things can get in a divorce. His wife had the family dog euthanized. The dog was an Labrador and the two daughters had to love it beyond words. That has to go a long way to explaining things. I grew up with a Lab.
RPG,
I do respect your opinion. I read this yesterday and have been depressed since. If you wee a man would you put up with this foolishness? I could say more blunt words but, it has all gone beyond ridiculous.
http://www.returnofkings.com/87865/translations-for-5-common-things-women-say-on-tinder
I wish Hillary would only “play” a criminal.
Juliath83: You don’t know who I am, and you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Also, since this isn’t your blog, you don’t have any standing to tell anyone to go to someone else’s blog, for purposes of getting laid or for any other reason.
It only takes a few people such as yourself to ruin the climate at any blog.
Liz,
There have been no prosecutions in the wake of the 2008 crash. Back in 2001, I predicted that lots of people were going to go to jail over the fraud that caused rolling blackouts in California in winter, when the power grid is far less stressed. I think there were two minor prosecutions of traders. Yet, the fraud cost California ratepayers billions.
The criminal justice system does not have a good track record for really egregious crime. It would be nice if they could make an exception for Hillary.
Liz,
With respect to Hillary, it begins.
http://www.hangthebankers.com/wikileaks-releases-clinton-emails-iraq-war/
The server wasn’t secure and hackers got the emails.
@ fuzzie, I wonder if it’s just “careless” to put classified emails on a server that got hacked, if it’s also just “careless” for hackers to post them on the Internet?
or would that be illegal? Hummm….I dunno, I am just a girl! Oopsie!
Going public with sensitive information seems to bring down the wrath of the government more than handing it over to hostile countries.
To borrow from you, “Cookies, anyone? La lal alal la.”
I’m still waiting for women to advocate for all inclusion in the Selective Service registration program, now that women are no longer excluded from combat roles:
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/04/15/army-approves-22-women-to-become-infantry-and-armor-officers.html
Privilege to get access to any job? Yes. Duty to respond to a draft? No.
David,
Whether it’s my blog or not is irrelevant. You’re White Knighting, which means you’re part of the problem, not the solution. Nobody cares about the women you know in your supposed real life and what Special Little Snowflakes™ they are. If all you’re going to bring to the discussion is NAWALT, expect to be called out on it, here and anywhere else Red Pill. It’s because of people like you that telling these truths was forced out of the mainstream. So no, don’t expect any quarter if White Knight is the part you intend to play.
I’m still waiting for women to advocate for all inclusion in the Selective Service registration program, now that women are no longer excluded from combat roles
All women or just some?
If you’re waiting for all or even a majority, it will absolutely never happen.
If you want a few, then you can include those like myself, who registered alongside our male friends and brothers. I think that it is incredibly unfair and sexist to force males to register but not women. Either have both or nothing.
Those of us that are single should be allowed to flirt. it’s normal and healthy.
I should give the matter of competition among men more thought before commenting but, it should not be underhanded or vicious.
Truth, Fuzzie.
When we talk about women having “access” to all jobs, what does that mean? That if they’re qualified and can pass all the necessary tests, can adequately compete and perform, they should have just as much a chance as anyone else? I thought we already had that. Does anyone have a problem with that? If so, I don’t understand why.
I do understand having a problem with a woman being unqualified, performing poorly but still getting a job over someone else who is better qualified. We have that too, and that should stop.
Bottom line, if anyone, regardless of gender, color, age, ethnicity, is up to the task, they should (and already are) allowed the opportunity to get the job.
Juliath83,
You’re letting things get personal. This is not good. I have read David Foster for at least a year and I wouldn’t characterize him as a white knight
This is RPG’s blog to moderate and she uses a light hand because people are civil here.
Equality is a myth. That’s what. What I do support is the reduction of artificial barriers that undercut achievement potentials based on sex, race, etc. However, going out of the way to achieve outcome based equality is utter bull.
I still think that feminists’ collateral arguments for equality are moot unless they register for draft. Either sign up or STFU. That’s my stance. Simple and sweet.
Ooooooh. New person! 🙂
Hello, Téa.
I agree with everything you just said.
Fuzzie,
This is not personal, and I apologize if it came off as such. I have no idea who David is. And I am certainly not trying to police another’s blog. However, David’s post, essentially, was NAWALT. That phrase needs to be shamed out of existence; mercilessly if need be. It’s largely the reason why feminism has lasted as long as it has, and grown men ought to know better than to use it.
Juliath83,
Shame is not the right method. When I get it, I tend to get mad. You might consider arguing against that which you disagree with as in, ” NAWALT bothers me because feminists use it to drive dump trucks through.”
Just a thought.
This is a pretty good group of women here. They are man friendly and open minded.
Also, if we could stay away from the incel shaming, that would be great. I have known and spoken to many involuntarily celibate guys online (and met a few irl) and the majority are good men. I would appreciate it if their condition/issue wasn’t used as an insult.
Ironically, by bringing out the Not Getting Laid card as derogatory, you’re giving more power to the concept of masculinity being determined by N. A man is a man regardless of how many partners he has slept with or times he’s had sex. The “Chads” with 100 partners each aren’t more male than the Average Joe with 6 or less. It would be refreshing to see some compassion for our brothers who have difficulties in securing female attentions.
I agree with Sue. It depends on ability. See Socrates in the Republic. That is what he said there. And that seems to have been the standard policy in Sparta. I have known people of both sexes who were extremely god at what they were doing and visa versa.
While I agree with Tarn, it should be expanded on. There is a whole lot of male on male shaming going on in this corner of the internet. The first reaction of the one that is shamed is to react negatively to the one doing the shaming. It is not very constructive.A lot of self appointed alphas are alienating betas asking honest questions.
This is not aimed at anyone participating on this thread.
Julieth seems to me to be merely the mirror image of “social justice warriors”, extreme radical feminists, etc, old-line Marxists, etc, who have no interest in discussion of actual truth, but only in asserting the absolute truth of their ideology, typically with use of the specialized vocabulary of the closed intellectual system that they have adopted and the quick descent into ad hominem attacks: if you assert that maybe not all the people convicted of witchcraft are really guilty, why that is surely evidence that you yourself are in fact a witch.
Fuzzie,
Yes, you are correct. One of the negative aspects of the manosphere is that the camps can rarely get along for any significant amount of time. The incels get attacked by the PUAs, the MGTOW are bombarded by MRAs and Tradcons alike (though for different reasons), beta men are told they are worth less than alphas or are somehow “unmasculine”. It’s sad, but probably won’t ever stop.
The best we can do is exercise our empathy for one another, even if we disagree.
Tarn,
The may different factions do not have to be at each other’s throats. Could that explain why feminists have made so much progress? While they won’t kick out the crazies, they won’t do in-fighting.
What kind of a sick human being would trash an incel? That is just low.
Yeah, that’s a good point, Fuzzie.
Even if we allow that teen/young adult Feminists are probably just following the herd, they make no attempts to separate themselves from radfems or (ugh) TERFs. Apparently anyone and everyone who claims the Fem title is alright in their book.
As for incels…I empathize with them a great deal because their issue is the polar opposite of my own, but many men and women look down their noses at them. It is pathetic to do so. Mocking or degrading those who have severe trouble getting intimacy is just cruel.
Mocking or degrading those who have severe trouble getting intimacy is just cruel.
This says a lot about the person doing the mocking and degrading, but it does not portray or say anything about the mocked.
Tarn,
It must be similar to what I felt working holidays like Christmas selling stuff they could have bought the day before. They are elevating themselves by holding less fortunate in contempt.
I have a lot of respect for capable women. I had a girl friend for a brief time in high school, Wendy Wilson who was amazingly smart. I think she got 1198 out of 1200 on her SAT. There have been other girls I have known like that. I have to say that to me a lot depends on the person and their character. And I have known women that were good at being wives and mothers. My Mom for example. She was probably the best example of what I have ever seen or heard of in terms of being a good mother and wife. But she was not the only one. I remember the wife of Shmuel Berenbaum at the Mir in NY. It was not just that she was supportive of her husband and children but it was almost as if she was carrying the whole yeshiva on her shoulders. This is hard to explain or put into words. My impression is that attitude and intention is everything. A wife and mother who intends to be a good wife and mother can do so in the most amazing fashion. The trouble with feminism is it too away the desire of women to be good mothers and wives.
at Dalrocks a comment i willl just leave here
“Women tend to imagine they have not changed but remain the same attractive 17 year old girls.”
That is the truth.
Of course, women who marry young and stay devoted to their husband, they always will be the same attractive young woman in their husbands memory.
Single women who put off marriage are not so fortunate, if they ever do marry, their husbands will never have memory of those women’s peak attractiveness, as they’ve never seen it.
“Women tend to imagine they have not changed but remain the same attractive 17 year old girls.”
If anyone thinks they look the same at age 17, or even 21, as they do at 30, 40, or 50…they should probably be checked into a mental institution.
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Tarn,
What Horseman said does make sense. As women age, they can’t factor in the decline subjectively. They end up batting out of their league or, as is said on dating sites, “being too picky”.
I agree with the other thing too. They’re called “wife goggles”. They’ll stay on unless the wife does something terrible.
Horseman said, “Of course, women who marry young and stay devoted to their husband, they always will be the same attractive young woman in their husbands memory.”
yes, this is true – for both the husband and the wife.
Tarn – it does seem odd, but Horseman is right here. idk why it is that way except that i think it’s just a gift from God 🙂
Tarn – it does seem odd, but Horseman is right here.
Never said wasn’t, Ame. 🙂
What Horseman said does make sense.
The “spouse goggles” part does make sense, because as you grow with someone all the small yearly changes tend to blend together and aren’t jarring or abrupt.
However, I still postulate that (despite it being reflective of the reality seen on dating sites) someone believing they look exactly the same after decades of time passing by is not all there. One can still look younger, of course…there’s a guy at work who is 46 but I’d have said he’s at most late 30s, and I have a client who thought I was in my mid-20s rather than being 32. But neither the aforementioned coworkers nor myself would *ever* be confused with our 17-19 year old selves. Just not happening.
That women on PoF or eHarmony or whatever other sites think otherwise is not only weird but foolish. I’m not disagreeing with Horseman or his comment…I’m disagreeing with the people who prove it.
as you grow with someone all the small yearly changes tend to blend together and aren’t jarring or abrupt.
The key is ‘together’. If you marry and are not committed to growing together you will just end up growing apart.
It is true that the changes you make together just blend into life. It is hard to contemplate what it would be like without your spouse. For example: my wife was 22 when we got married and we are working on our sixteen year together. She only had 5-7 years of decent cognitive ability before our marriage. Even during some of those years I was still part of her life. I guess in short; I am almost as integral to her life as she is.
How old were you, GoFigure?
I was 25.
I’m in the same boat as my wife, more or less. It’s not like I had a decade more experience then her.
Hiii~
Glad you do. 🙂
Even if you did, GoFigure, it wouldn’t be a terrible thing. I do think it’s vastly preferable for married couples (most especially those with children) to be roughly the same age and grow together, but I’ve nothing against couples who have larger age gaps. For example, I’ve been FwB with Seamus for 10 years, since I was 22, and he’s 15 years older. It’d be very hypocritical for me to take issue, lol.
I am not sure that many want real “equality”, but just the appearance of it. I know a few people in relationships where one spouse contributes so much less to the relationship than the other (income, time, house chores, etc.), but then demands equal (or sometimes more) say in things. Now I don’t believe that everyone has to be contributing 50/50 to have an equal say, but if one is barely contributing 20% to the relationship on a regular basis, they really shouldn’t be expecting an equal say.
And I’ve seen a similar condition in the workplace as well. One person contributes little to the group, but then demands to be treated & rewarded the same as the ones making more of an effort.
Now this is not just a male vs female thing, as I’ve seen a lot of guys do very little and expect a lot. But it does seem (at least to me), more prevalent in women. I will admit that some of that may be due to all of the white-knighting that a lot of men seem to do, even when it isn’t needed.
Guess the brainwashing worked…
I don’t entirely agree. Some women “peak” at different ages than others. Or at least they appear more attractive in their late 30’s, than they were in their 20’s.