I haven’t done one of these for awhile, but sometimes songs can illustrate the emotions involved in a red pill concept better than anything. Like this one, “Total Eclipse of the Heart.”
She wants to love and be loved by the alpha and yet he’s wild and untamed and she’s afraid to believe it could be…the wall approach-eth…can she take the chance? Will he destroy her, or complete her? Maybe she has shit tested and lost? Did she blow it? Realize too late? Can she surrender? Dare she surrender? He holds all the cards.
(For full effect play the video and read along w the lyrics.)
Enjoy and let me know what you think!
Total Eclipse of the Heart
Stevie Nicks and Bonnie Tyler
Turn around,
Every now and then I get a little bit lonely and you’re never coming round
Turn around,
Every now and then I get a little bit tired of listening to the sound of my tears
Turn around,
Every now and then I get a little bit nervous that the best of all the years have gone by
Turn around,
Every now and then I get a little bit terrified and then I see the look in your eyes
Turn around bright eyes,
Every now and then I fall apart
Turn around bright eyes,
Every now and then I fall apart
Turn around,
Every now and then I get a little bit restless and I dream of something wild
Turn around,
Every now and then I get a little bit helpless and I’m lying like a child in your arms
Turn around,
Every now and then I get a little bit angry and I know I’ve got to get out and cry
Turn around,
Every now and then I get a little bit terrified but then I see the look in your eyes
Turn around bright eyes,
Every now and then I fall apart
Turn around bright eyes,
Every now and then I fall apart
And I need you now tonight
And I need you more than ever
And if you only hold me tight
We’ll be holding on forever
And we’ll only be making it right
Cause we’ll never be wrong together
We can take it to the end of the line
Your love is like a shadow on me all of the time
I don’t know what to do and I’m always in the dark
We’re living in a powder keg and giving off sparks
I really need you tonight
Forever’s gonna start tonight
Forever’s gonna start tonight
Once upon a time I was falling in love
But now I’m only falling apart
There’s nothing I can do
A total eclipse of the heart
Once upon a time there was light in my life
But now there’s only love in the dark
Nothing I can say
A total eclipse of the heart
Turn around bright eyes
Turn around bright eyes
Turn around,
Every now and then I know you’ll never be the boy you always wanted to be
Turn around,
Every now then I know you’ll always be the only boy who wanted me the way that I am
Turn around,
Every now and then I know there’s no one in the universe as magical and wonderous as you
Turn around,
Every now and then I know there’s nothing any better and there’s nothing that I just wouldn’t do
Turn around bright eyes,
Every now and then I fall apart
Turn around bright eyes,
Every now and then I fall apart
And I need you now tonight
And I need you more than ever
And if you’ll only hold me tight
We’ll be holding on forever
And we’ll only be making it right
Cause we’ll never be wrong together
We can take it to the end of the line
Your love is like a shadow on me all of the time
I don’t know what to do and I’m always in the dark
We’re living in a powder keg and giving off sparks
I really need you tonight
Forever’s gonna start tonight
Forever’s gonna start tonight
Once upon a time I was falling in love
But now I’m only falling apart
Nothing I can do
A total eclipse of the heart
Once upon a time there was light in my life
But now there’s only love in the dark
Nothing I can say
A total eclipse of the heart
Turn around bright eyes
Turn around bright eyes
Turn around
Notes From a Red Pill Girl 
The ladies have quit pining for the alphas. There aren’t enough of them to go around. Should they manage to catch one, it is for only a limited time or, she may have to share.
Have to quit pining. Sorry
A song that I like this is,
Extra verses there were,
Best version this is,
Lots of great Procol Harum songs, Yoda.
If we’re doing songs, he’s a great mean-girl song:
*HERE’S a great mean-girl song”
For symmetry, here’s a great mean-guy song:
Bloom – i’ve always loved that song.
Yoda,
You have no idea what Annie Lennox wearing the bear suit does to me.
Ladies, feel free to indulge your hypergamy, as long as it is hypothetical.
Women and girls as far as I can see still long for and sometimes get the Alpha and sometimes his close group. For the Alpha guy women are willing to be second third fourth or just take a number and wait in line.
this is really music-nerd stuff, and i don’t even begin to understand half of it … but the musicality of the piece is what i love so much (i know … totally missing your point … but it’s what i love about the song). the video is kinda long but fascinating to see how it was written and how that creates the power of the music in the piece.
http://www.avclub.com/article/total-eclipse-heart-has-surprisingly-elaborate-mus-216081
@fuzzie: I’m not sure whether the whole “Sigma-attraction” thing lends or removes credibility from this, but I’m pretty sure Alpha-attracted women would be happier to pair with Betas and higher Deltas, even some lower Deltas, if they were a bit less… pathetic nowadays. I can’t see any woman falling for a guy who’s socially awkward, skinny-fat or overweight, stuck in a dead-end job with no intention of leaving, swamped in debt of various kinds, possibly happy to abuse welfare to its limits, hooked on football and celebrities and youtube shows, and desperate to get married so he doesn’t have to put any effort into sex.
I mean, I know Olavi Uusivirta is not exactly Delta, more of a Beta, but his songs seem to reflect the old Delta path, and if more Deltas aspired to be like this, perhaps more women would be happy to settle with one:
http://lyricstranslate.com/en/tuu-mun-vaimoksein-please-marry-me.html
The positivity, the focus on improvement, the aspiration, all in the face of slight nervousness and uncertainty, the desire to make things right and reach his ideals, even though he is scared… it’s all lacking from the modern Deltas and many modern Betas. There’s just no energy left in them. If anything, they just behave like labouring animals. Which is sad, and the way the world is going, farming human energy to make a quick buck, but I’m pretty sure it would kill desire in any woman.
. If anything, they just behave like labouring animals
Yes, men labor they must.
Women, on the other hand, just “be” they need to do
and here’s what the Alpha male thinks about the “siren song”…
You do realize that men are becoming that pathetic, because they are shutting down due to being treated like crap by women?
We will step up and go out of our way for you, and all you have to do is to treat us a little nicely. But hammer at us all the time, tell us that we do everything wrong, and belittle us in front of others, then why should we care?
The problem with treating a man like he is worthless for so long, is that he will eventually begin to believe it.
Women, on the other hand,
just “be” they need to do
If they are lazy, unmotivated, or somehow find “happiness” in purely existing with no achievements to their name, sure.
I can’t see any woman falling for a guy who’s socially awkward,
There is nothing inherently wrong with being socially awkward, and isn’t an exclusive part of one’s personality. Being labeled “awkward” can even be code for traits such as “overtly honest”, “blunt speaker” or “unwilling to change/conform to societal pressures”. All of these have the potential to be endearing to some people.
skinny-fat or overweight,
A guy with a little extra meat on his bones is hardly the end of the world. If an individual woman doesn’t care for the heavier body types, then that’s fine. Saying that it is a bad body type for all men or that no woman is attracted to such men is disingenuous.
stuck in a dead-end job with no intention of leaving,
Who determines whether the job is dead end or not? If a man is in a career that they truly enjoy and it pays all their bills with a little left over for savings each month, is this not good enough? Does a male have to make 6 figures or have a shiny corporate title to be deemed worthy of female attention? I shudder to think what your opinion is towards the (involuntarily) unemployed…
swamped in debt of various kinds,
It takes a very frugal mindset and a bit of luck nowadays to not be, least in my neck of the woods. Honestly, I’m very willing to forgive and date a man who is trying their hardest to pay off debt, especially if it was obtained via school loans, caring for one’s relatives/friends, or due to a medical emergency. If it’s from frivolous out-of-control purchases, I’d honestly be less understanding, but I rarely see men with this sort of debt.
possibly happy to abuse welfare to its limits,
This is the only one I fully agree with. Our current welfare system is misused to incredible levels.
hooked on football and celebrities and youtube shows,
It is entirely possible that your social circle is different, but I count on one hand the amount of males I see with this problem. Having a favorite sports team or YouTube channel is not unlikely, but becoming obsessed with it to the degree you insinuate, is.
and desperate to get married so he doesn’t have to put any effort into sex.
I have never been married, nor will I ever be, so I’ll fully admit to having no experience with this aspect of your comment. But after a little more than 10 years with the same lover, I have yet to see any noticeable difference in how much “effort” he puts into it. Even with him being 15 years older than myself and taking into account the biological factors related to masculine aging, he is very much unchanged in regards to his level of base sexual energy. What, in your experience, causes a wedding ring to alter a man’s desire for sexual effort, pray tell?
How she treats him differently, after marriage. The longer you treat me like crap, no matter how hard I try to provide a comfortable lifestyle, the quicker that a warm radiator covered in liver wurst will begin to look better.
To be honest, as I said, I think society as a whole has turned into a mill. Even if women were nicer, the work environment today is poison. Even if work were nicer, the women are still poison. Even if both were more bearable, the rewards of marriage and career fall short of most men’s desires. Even if the rewards met men’s desires, the amount of rubbish they have to put up with when it is easier to watch porn and spend your afternoon relaxing is too much. At the end of the day, the whole environment is a mill, to get as much out of average people as possible.
But I don’t blame average guys for not doing the Alpha thing and fighting the odds to tame the world, or the Sigma thing and making their own worlds, because that’s not what Betas, Deltas, Omegas, etc do. But this means there is a clear class split between the men who force their way through the world and the men who passively take its toils, and this split means women find themselves looking at a dichotomy of men: the mediocre and the excellent. Which then means the women treat average men appallingly, which, as you say, does nothing to change their situation or behaviour.
Great system for exploiting humans for wealth, though. Men and women alike have to work their whole lives, they spend all they earn, they don’t breed much, they push consumerism on their kids, and when they get old or wealthy enough to retire they all die of stress, cancer and obesity, which in turn finishes wringing the last of their savings out of them and back into the mill. If this world is not designed, I can’t imagine anyone designing a more efficient human farm.
Very true, it doesn’t get much play but the intersection between industrialization and feminism is a topic we could explore more. Feminism likely could not/would not have occurred wo industrialization and the radical changes that created in the average person’s daily life. From largely farm dwelling, self sufficient to dependant on stores/money for everything, working for that money… Interesting…
Also is there somewhere the terms sigma, delta, omega, etc are defined or could you define them? I am familiar w alpha/beta but not really the others! Interesting…
@Yoda: That’s the beauty of the modern system. By driving men and women apart, it makes it increaisngly necessary for women to toil as well. The day will come when we’re all just units.
@Tarnished: Almost my whole generation is like that. I generally stick to Jon’s social circle, so I avoid it, but the average guy under 30-35 is a good fit to that. This is in: London, Cardiff, Bristol, Derby and countless towns and villages I have lived in, have relatives or friends in, or have passed through. They have uni debt, private debt, maxed credit cards, etc. They hate their jobs or are constantly complaining about them, have no chance of promotion or transfer, yet never think of even looking for a new job. They spend their afternoons on media consumption and their breaks on media discussion. Many of the 30-40s are like that too, but the group below act like they never grew out of their freshman year.
You’re making two assumptions when you excuse them:
1: That they have other redeeming features. Generally, the average person, male or female, is pretty dim, boring, repetitive, etc. And the unfair fact of the world is that a pretty but boring woman can still attract men, whereas a handsome but boring man vanishes to most women’s eyes.
2: That they are happy with their own situation. We know a guy who is out of shape (for reasons outside his control, but still], loves games and football and TV, doesn’t have any plans of moving beyond reasonably-paid blue-collar work, etc. He’s fine. Because he is happy with it: that is actually the life he wants to live. The average guy is incredibly UNhappy with his body, work, hobbies and habits, yet does nothing to change them. Again, women still attract men even when lazy, whereas a lazy, plaintive man won’t get a second look, let alone sex.
In short, those things don’t HAVE to be disqualifiers. But they more often than not are, because the man has nothing else to add and is not comfortable with his life. And the unfair fact of the world is that the average woman can at least get a date despite being exactly the same if not worse, but the average man cannot. Hence there never being enough Alphas for any population. The average woman is still desired sexually. The average man is not. That much is undeniable, I simply aim to highlight the mechanisms.
And you misinterpret the sex effort comment. A lot of never-married Deltas and some Betas genuinely have the impression that when they are in a LTR or married they can get sex with more ease. Not that they want it less, but that they aspire to a marriage so that they don’t have to work out, dress up or go out to have sex. I have some guys we know looking at our relationship and openly saying they need to marry to: get easier sex, save money, have someone to do chores for them. There are other married men in their circles who have the opposite story to tell, but an unmarried Delta is blind to that. They see only the successes.
It’s the AlphaGamePlan.blogspot.com hierarchy. Essentially it accounts for the fact that the repulsive guy, the guy just below Alpha and the average awkward guy are not in the same category, nor is an introverted man exempt from Alpha treatment, even if he refuses the societal role of the Alpha.
Yes, that’s the action ➡ consequence of a woman being continuously dissatisfied with the work her man does. However, superslaviswife made it sound like the reverse, as in the male half stops putting effort into having sex ➡ then the wife becomes dissatisfied.
Thus, I was wondering what about marriage specifically would cause such an initial action in a man.
It may be a chicken or the egg scenario. From the guys I’ve heard complaints from, they were all in to putting in an effort having sex, but had slowly been turned off by a woman who didn’t appreciate everything else the guy had done for them. The proverbial ‘never enough’.
There are two sides to every story, and then what really happened.
But knowing how readily guys are to having sex, something(s) must have happened to cause them to stop putting in the effort.
Okay, maybe I don’t totally understand the whole Alpha concept***but it seems to me the emotions in the song are pretty much those that would be felt by any woman in love who is in the midst of being ditched by her man, whether he is called an alpha or some other greek letter. I surely felt most of those things when the man I’d been with for more than 2 years, who I thought was going to be forever, threw me over…made it worse that I was ditched in favor of the one he’d been with earlier, who according to him had treated him very badly. And I don’t think many people would call him any kind of a Super Alpha, actually he WAS kind of socially awkward, though he got to be less of that while he was with me.
But wouldn’t any woman or for that matter any man really in love feel that “there’s no one in the universe as magical and wonderous as you”?…even if that’s exaggerated? (and yeah, I see it was in the case of the man I’m talking about) Still a little bit of a romantic, I guess.
And fuzzie, when you say ‘stop pining,’ do you really want a world of people who are so coldhearted that a serious breakup is just like a broken dish or a bad air conditioner or something?
And no fucking consideration at all for the guy who has to pay for everything!
Laurel,
When I said “stop pining”, I meant that women should stop haroring desire for men out of their league. It can’t stick.
Supeslaviswife,
Alphas don’t have to jump through hoops. Yet, you are asking bets to do so. That would distinguish them as betas and lead to a subsequent rejection. All the boys have been there and done that. It doesn’t work. What you are trying to defend is the propensity for modern women to apply the 80/20 rule.
As for Vox Day’s sexual heirarchy hypothesis, it is too compex to be workable. It seems that every time he turns around, another layer of complexity is added.
Well, unless he’s married to an Uber tradcon SAHM, the woman should have a job and pay for half, too.
All she has to be is a regular SAHM, or there be a large difference in income, for her to start to feel ‘entitled’.
Could be clinical depression, I suppose. That’s what causes Seamus’ libido to dry up for weeks-months at a time. It’s difficult during these times, since we go from having 2 high libidos ➡ my high one and his dead one. But it’s very important to remember that he continues to need emotional support more than ever, and the lack of sex is not a reflection on the rest of our relationship, nor is it a true rejection towards me. And of course, pushing the issue doesn’t help at all. Eventually things always go back to normal.
So I thought that perhaps superslaviswife was referring to chemical imbalances/hormonal disruptions, but was wondering why it would only be found out after marriage. And why the hypothetical wife wouldn’t be able to figure out what the problem is.
I don’t understand that concept, though it is common.
It’s because people stop trying hard. They become too comfortable with each other. They come to ‘expect’ things, and feel that they don’t have to contribute so much.
That’s why marriage should be life term life insurance. Renewable every 5 years.
@SSW and Tarn
To understand what’s going on between men and women we need go back a bit for some perspective.
Everyone knows that women were ‘liberated’ in the ’60s and ’70s but few people stop to consider what it was that women were liberated from.
Women’s were liberated from the ancient social contract – where women traded their fertility for the man’s utility. The women provided sexual access to just one man and reliability (mostly) that any children produced were his, and in return, the man worked to provide for his children and the woman for the rest of his life. But the contract came at a cost for both men and women – for women constraints were put on their behavoir and freedom, for men, they had to work themselves to death.
Women’s liberation broke this contract. It is clear that woman have embraced their new freedoms, earning their own money, choosing how they behave, sleeping with whom they choose. And for a while it worked. Because whilst women were playing by the new rules, menwere still, mostly, playing by the old.
But that’s over now.
Now men are playing by the new rules as well. And what does this look like? Simply that for the first time in 2000 years men are free to live their lives without regard to what women want, and free of any social expectations to do so.
Today’s generation of women are finding few men that they consider marriage worthy, because many men are not putting the effort into becoming marriage worthy.
When the price of sex was marriage, and the price of marriage was a decent job most men worked hard and got married. When the price of sex is to be an alpha, increasing numbers of men realise they are faced with a game they can never win, so they check out. They may not be happy about it but men are able to live well on very little in a way they women can’t.
This matters. Because it is men’s – and only men’s – productivity that enables an advanced society to exist.
As men check out, so society is crumbling. Men need something to work hard for and nothing motivates a man like the love and respect of a good woman. These days few women are ‘good’ and fewer still know how to love and respect a man.
And now we are on the cusp of an involuntary childless spinster epidemic. In our post-feminist utopia, no-body wins and the only equality is equality of misery.
Women, on the other hand,
just “be” they need to do
Even if fat, unpleasant and dumb, still awesome they are.
Told this by the powers that be I have.
That, and the nightly power of the V
Hmmm. I can see where you’re coming from, but I view these “expectations” as a perk of being in a relationship. It’s very nice, to find someone who accepts you as you are and who you fully accept as they are, in return. Someone who won’t demand X from you when you’re only comfortable being Y…and likewise, you’re with someone who you never want to change, because you love *them*, not a fake, idealized version of them.
There is a big difference between finding contentment in a relationship and just becoming utterly lazy in it though. I think of expectations as less of an “entitlement” issue and more of an “okay, we know what each other likes/dislikes so there’s significantly less room for error if I day/do X, since I know they’ll react as Y.” If the expectations were a form of “I know they have this, and I want it, so they should give it to me because I put up with *insert annoying trait here*” then the relationship is already over, imo.
Make that “mighty power” one should
Yep…
Believe it or not, originally a song about vampires.
Personally I think for either the woman or the man to think post marriage (or even before) “I don’t have to care about creating attraction or making an effort anymore because we’re a couple.” I realize life can’t be one never ending love story but the couples I see who seem happiest do make this effort to keep things fresh and exciting. Nobody wants to be taken for granted. Liz would often mention how she would wear things she knew Mike liked or would do something to flip his trigger, even after 20 years of marriage. If someone commits to be someone’s “one” I think a little effort and care to be as attractive and engaging as possible is a good thing.
For example in my own marriage my ex went from being one of the most romantic and attentive boyfriends to not even trying anymore, like the wedding meant the end of courtship. It felt like false advertising. (This was not the cause of our split btw, just to clarify, it was much more.) Making an effort, on both sides, is a good idea IMHO.
Superslaviswife,
Caders beat me to it but, I will second. The guys that you talking about have probably “checked out”. In this sexual marketplace, a man is either successful or he is not and few are successful. For those who are not, in the face of it, they do give up hope. The death of hope is a terrible thing.
Tarn,
The more you say about Seamus, the more impressed I am with your commitment.
Cadders,
I agree with your analysis 100%, especially this part: Now men are playing by the new rules as well. And what does this look like? Simply that for the first time in 2000 years men are free to live their lives without regard to what women want, and free of any social expectations to do so.
I approve of men being able to decide their own way of life/becoming MGTOW. I’d have preferred that both sexes become liberated from the aforementioned social expectations, but this is impossible until both Feminism and Traditionalism are seen for what they are. Until then, any work towards a true egalitarian movement will be drowned out.
For those who are not, in the face of it, they do give up hope. The death of hope is a terrible thing.
Which is why I’ll reiterate that men going their own way is such a good thing, all considered. We *all* need purpose in life to reach Self-Actualization (think of Maslow’s hierarchy of needs pyramid). Women have been sold the lie that they are princesses just for breathing. Men are falsely told that their worth comes from female validation. Both are harmful deceptions. That men are, at least, becoming able to see through the fog and find a real path in life is cause for celebration, albeit one that can be painful for some. Hope need not die…it can live in a form independent of women’s endorsement.
The more you say about Seamus, the more impressed I am with your commitment.
What makes you say that, Fuzzie?
SSW a big checklist she does have
Tarn,
You are a good candidate for a life partner.
Yoda
Superslaviswife has been around this corner of the internet for at least a couple of years. I would have thought she would have gotten past beta shaming by now.
Hypergamy unleashed it is.
Swimming in it we are
Thank you, Fuzzie.
That is high praise in this corner of the internet.
Re: beta shaming
It is to be expected from those who wish men would get back to the plantation like good workhorses. What we need is a true liberation for men. Going one’s own way is as close as it currently gets.
If someone commits to be someone’s “one” I think a little effort and care to be as attractive and engaging as possible is a good thing.
Truth. A relationship isn’t an excuse to be lazy or inattentive, it means you’ve found the person who wants to make you as happy as you make them.
There is a new post at Spawny’s
https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2016/08/22/lost/
I’m tortured, lonely and lost. Therefore I post and wring sympathy from girls.
In respect of the op, I don’t see what the big deal is. Stevie pines for her alpha. Is there a song where a man does same? I don’t think so: everyone, including the girls, wound be disgusted.
Bloom, Vox’s taxonomy of the male hierarchy is accurate. You might want a greater beta, but I suspect you’ll be delirious with a sigma. (Good look identifying one in middle age!)
Bv I am not sure I follow but I wjill look into it…
As one once said, we are all just wandering in the smoking wreckage… We are all doing the best w the shitty deal dealt by those before who we had to just adopt only to discover it was all madness and lies.
I am a product (casualty???) of my generation…
Perhaps TBD (to be determined)…
God I hated this song when it came out way back. She sang it like a whine.
And the line
Forevers gonna start to night
i.e. forget all the shit I did before I’ll be good, promise.
Was B.S. in the 80s and it could be the anthem for every Wall Approaching Carouseller
This shows the power of hopefullness but also the strength and aloofness of a true MGTOW. The Self Actualized Man doesnt waste time other than as an intellectual curiosity on women, what they want or even how to fix it (why bother)
I watch this one on almost a weekly basis. Powerful stuff to become a better human being without being a plowhorse to anyone.
Also love the cool pictures of Steelworkers and Breaker Boys of the last century. They knew what work, often to death, was.
I would like to see any feminist’s counter argument to anything Messenger says in this video. It is realistic, hopeful and ambitious and motivating. Just like men when left to be men.
@fuzzie: Alphas don’t have to “jump through hoops” because they are naturally inclined to better themselves. Yet, as an example, the average 16-35 year old male can be caught running, wrestled and restrained by a single guy without much muscle mass, with one knee missing half its tissue and the other being arthritic, and suffering a chronic back problem. Sometimes he can bring down a few of them at a time as he waits for backup. This is not just “not Alpha”, this is an extraordinarily low average for any human population. Just as men cannot help but be attracted to beauty and unattracted to ugliness, women cannot help but be attracted to an interesting man and unattracted to a pathetic one. If cancelling or limiting your credit cards, aspiring to a job you enjoy, doing 30 minutes of exercise every two days, reading a bit every now and then, reducing media consumption and not eating like a pig is “jumping through hoops”, then every successful man I’ve ever met is a chronic hoop-jumper.
And I reiterate: most of these guys have not yet “checked out”. They strive to date, complain that they need to marry soon and seem to believe marriage is still magical. The guys who check out are usually the older ones, or already married, in my observation. It takes a lot to shatter the hope that the next girl is “the one”. They somehow manage to balance the low average with the idea that eventually an attractive girl will come along who wants to leap into bed with them every night, be loyal til death do they part, and increase his earnings, all without him having to lift a finger other than to buy her a drink. They haven’t a clue.
Again, not debating the fairness, just presenting simple reality.
Misanthropy ≠ Beta-shaming. I have a very low opinion of absolutely everyone and, coming from the background I have come from to where I am today, I cannot accept the average modern human of any demographic as good, natural or deserving of anything but contempt. The West is losing value as a whole, and the way we excuse weakness out of pity only pushes us closer to worthlessness.
To get an idea of your perspective, fuzzie: What do you think the average person “deserves”?
superslaviswife (ssw everyone gets a nickname here)
Yes yes yes.
This is what the video I posted talks about.
“You have a limited amount of time on this earth” it starts.
DO SOMETHING WITH IT.
What do you think the average person “deserves”?
True assortive mating without the “vagina premium” it would be
Superslaviswife,
Assortive mating, as Yoda has pointed out, but I doubt that we will ever get back to it. Female sexuality is comepletely unrestrained. That genie is not going back in the bottle. What this means for betas is that they are out of the running. The only thing that I can see that differentiates betas from alphas is a mindset. If a boy lets it show that he cares, it is all over for him. Maybe it is just as well.
The things that you point out to as faults are everywhere. The difference is that women chase alphas and find fault with betas until they see their rejection as justified.
Scarlett Johansen, obviously.
@Fuzzie: There is far more than mindset between the average man and the men I would identify as Alpha or Sigma. Then again, hence my comment at the very start that being attracted to Sigmas may influence my observations on this matter. If an average man’s mental work can be outsourced to a young uni dropout and his body can be surpassed by someone who hardly has a working joint in his body, then the average is rubbish, regardless of the man’s mindset. Any man who lacks any redeeming features, who is wholly average in body and intellect, cannot be Alpha, mindset or no mindset. Perhaps he can create an illusion of being Alpha, but to truly be a leader you need to have something more than mediocrity.
And I don’t think average modern men OR average modern women deserve anything at all, much less a chance to mate. Well, I don’t think anyone deserves anything full stop, life, people and the world owe us nothing, but that’s more philosophy, whereas the first point is more practicality. If anything, the average woman has too much for what she is and should be in the same scenario as the average man. We need a nice strong pressure to push people to improve themselves, something that forces them to develop mentally and physically beyond the mess the average is in today. But with rampant consumerism and the human labour mill in full effect, that won’t happen soon unless WWIII breaks out.
SSW,
Go ahead and believe what you will. From what i have seen of alphas, there is little to recommend them. It is a matte of mindset and they are immune to guilt. Then, there is the matter of scuples. It is hard to believe that this is what modern women find atractive.
Also, there is the Dark Triad of narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy.
@ fuzzie I am not sure I’d agree all alphas are bad people. Like Liz’s Mike. Sounds pretty alpha at work and at home, a leader etc. but he doesn’t sound in the least but dark triad to me from what Liz has described. And I am also not sure that betas have NO chance. I know many women who are with betas, some going on 18 years + married and happy. Betas have many excellent qualities actually and are much more suited toward stable ltrs and marriage than a dark triad alpha would be, I’d think. Women were once taught to appreciate “a marrying man” but today not so much, that seems to be a big part of the issue, society at large does not appreciate they key role betas play in creating a stable society. Not every guy can be an alpha, all they would do is lock horns. Most guys will never be alpha and most gals will never be with an alpha. But somehow that seems to be the expectation, all guys need to alpha up and every gal wants one. Not realistic… And less realistic the further one gets away from young adulthood.
By less likely I mean it’s kinda like musical chairs, as people pair off there are fewer and fewer available options…
RPG,
Mike may be a natural alpha. He came with a conscience. That is a rarity among sexually successful men. As for betas being without hope, Horseman found this story and I found a source with a video interview that is now lost but here is one witha picture. He is not ugly and he is personable. However the women must have seen him as beta.
http://wspa.com/2016/08/02/man-engineers-his-way-to-150-dates-in-4-months/
The TL;DR version, 200,000 right swipes on Tinder leads to 150 dates, 50 second dates, and 17 third dates. No romance. All this overr four months spending $6000. Alot of people have tried to put forth an excuse for this but, these numbers are staggering. Something should have clicked. I don’t think that there is anything horribly wrong with him.
@ fuzzie agreed, and it’s likely the problem is the poor timing we happen to have been born into. Bad luck. Thanks to online dating and things like Tinder, the illusion is that there are sooooo many people, it becomes choice addiction. Too many choices.
Compare that to small town life I saw in the Midwest on a visit. High schools with maybe 30 students per class. People still had the expectation that within that small pool they would find someone, marry young, raise a family, and live wi 20 miles of where they grew up. And it seemed to work. But few of us live that way anymore. Our society is so mobile, so detached, so transient… It makes not committing too easy. But these gals playing that game will find themselves eventually w less and less choice, and many w no choice. Then they may regret the Tinder years?
Online dating has been a disaster. It gives women the impression that the dating pool is infinite and that men wil just keep writing messages. Maybe because men have to write all thiose messages, they haven’t been taken in by the illusion.
When I first heard about Tinder, my jaw dropped, I saw as online dating set to hypersonic speed.
I like you’re pointing out how people still found each other in limited dating pools.
“However the women must have seen him as beta.”
Fuzzie, that man is handsome, but what he did is probably seen as beta (at least in the way he went about it). I could be wrong and maybe it was him who turned down all those women… but dropping $6,000 and not one woman pulled doesn’t look good. No alpha would have spent $6,000 like that imo.
Hopefully he had fun… and hopefully he’s a millionaire and didn’t count it as a loss.
Stephanie,
$6000 doesn’t go very far for dates in the San Francisco Bay Area. I imagine most of the first 150 were for coffee.
While I was internet dating, women encouraged me by saying that it was a numbers game. I had no idea. While I am not about to duplicate what he did, it is difficult to avoid the futility of the results.Something is wrong and it is not him.
I was curious about whether ‘Total Eclipse’ was actually written by a guy or a gal. Turns out it was a guy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Eclipse_of_the_Heart
The tinder guy is good looking but remember for women attraction is based on a cluster of factors. He’s obviously smart, has a good job, motivated… I’d be curious to watch a video of him. He may have some anti game working against him that he could work on… Sometimes guys will have body language or mannerisms working against them that they don’t realize. Or maybe he wasn’t quick enough in making his interest known? In an online dating world other guys are trying to mate poach, so perhaps that’s what happened w the four? He was beat to the chase? Not to make it sound like I am blaming him I am just curious and wish there was more info. Maybe he told the gals about his project and they felt duped? Hard to say…
RPG,
There was one link that I couldn’t find that had a video of him. He’s fine. For my money, it’s on the Tinderellas. While it is more of a hokup app than a dating app, he still should have caught something.
I learned something yesterdy. There is no reasoning or debating with hypergamy. It operates in the subconscious.
A new post at Spawny’s there is
https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2016/08/24/this-could-be-good/
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