There’s a saying that goes, “It takes a village to raise a child,” but have you ever stopped to think about who builds those villages and keeps them running?
I was pondering this the other day:
“I flip on the switch and the light works. I turn on the tap and clean water comes out. Water goes down drains and toilets and washing machines and away. I put the trash out and it disappears. I pick up the phone and police or firemen or medics come. I assume this is all a given when clearly it is not. Women don’t get that very well. That stuff doesn’t “just happen” by a long shot. How many women even understand the supply chain involved in all that happening? Few. Not enough to make it keep happening for sure.”
The first time I heard that men build civilization at a red pill blog, I freaked out and told off the blog author. (Cringe.) After reconsidering for awhile I realized that it was true: Men build civilizations and create the safe and functional conditions villages thrive under.
That means, if it were not for the supposedly “horrible and oppressive” men willing to protect and provide, the villages would not exist.
Yep. Maybe men aren’t so horrible after all? Maybe they aren’t trying to oppress women, but to help them? Maybe they could use some thanks and appreciation for their contributions? Maybe they aren’t the enemy?
Please discuss while at the same time respecting other people’s points of view. Could villages exist without men?
Notes From a Red Pill Girl 
When questions like this arise, everyone has an opinion. But, most people are idiots. I seldom quote other bloggers, but Vox had a post today that was spot on as far as the questions you asked:
Yes, men built it civilization just like men built the population. Women didn’t get pregnant on their own and the path to civilization had a lot of women taking care of their men. It was a team effort. Nowadays, it isn’t that women are the problem, per se; it’s that women can vote. That’s the problem.
And, as you know, I am a complete asshole. Which means that as a discriminated-against minority I have a special pass to call out the pricks on anything I want. I’m not sure how that plays into your “play nice” scenario but I’ll try to use words with four or more syllables. That should be adequate.
I don’t think that men will want to build civilization for people who could care less.
Toad, that was addressed to me. You don’t get into fights here. While it is all right for alphas to insult betas, it is wrong for betas to answer their tormentors.
Fuzzie, you are not a prick, you’re genuine.
I am not an alpha, if you have to put it in those terms, I’m a sigma. You are one of those gentle souls that civilization needs. Me, I’ll figure out a way to provide my own entertainment. I’m liking lesbians more and more these days.
@ toad speak of the devil, I was just wondering where you had gone to and here you are!
What was that cancer remedy you mentioned before?
Big words are ok, personal attacks not so much. We were all clueless once. Be somewhat gentle w the newbies…
Toad, you are all right.
That’s also not about you fuzzie, it’s more about clueless folk like I once was myself when I got in that silly fight w the guy who wrote the “men built civilization” post long ago…
That was not about nor was it directed at you.
RPG,
I should give all this a break and cool off.
Well ya’ll were very patient w me back then and I am glad you were so you didn’t scare me off. I feel bad now how I ripped into that guy at j4g. But at the time I did not get what he was saying *at all.* sometimes I still don’t. But I miss the good inter-gender discussions there! The last conversation here reminded me of them…
RPG,
It is hard to do that over time. People have to respect each other and, with the men, AMOGing can’t start.
a village of all women and no men … even if you take away the fact that they are the ones needed to build it and maintain and keep it safe … would be a terrible place to live. i mean, seriously … that much unchecked estrogen running rampant?! no thank you! count me out 🙂
Y’all leave those all-girl villages to me, just don’t make me live there. I’m allergic to PMS
“I’m allergic to PMS”
roflol! we’re ALL allergic to PMS … it’s just that some of us don’t get the option to escape it!
Lol, actually in some ancient cultures things went just like that, Toad! women, the young, injured, and old lived in the billage and the men stopped by after A successful hunt or pillage and were otherwise on the road. Women w pms went to special huts away from others. Some women (maybe the drama queens?) just stayed at the pms hut full time.
Agreed Ame, a village w no men sounds no fun to me either! 🙂 and not just “you know” but also I just enjoy being around men in general. It’s a yin-yang thing, I think. I live in an all female household at the moment and at times, too much estrogen! Ak!
I don’t think women can fully understand until they have participated in building civilizations themselves, and I think that’s exactly what needs to happen.
In fact I was just telling this to my guy the other day. I said it would be interesting if husbands and wives traded occupations for a week or longer.
He kind of joked and said it sounded like it should be a reality show.
Then we both agreed that it would make men and women better appreciate their spouse, that’s for sure.
Bloom – “I live in an all female household at the moment and at times, too much estrogen! Ak!”
sometimes … my husband just goes to the store, buys a bunch of chocolate, throws it at us (okay, not literally), and then hides in his man-cave (which he has!) 🙂
LOL how many Internet hissy fits did you (&Liz) throw? More then I can count with my boots off and britches down…. and I probably cause 50%- of them 😉
RPG,
I don’t remember that at J4G. It must ahve been before I showed up. Iam sorry you were taken to task. You are sincere and should have been left to learn at your own pace..
I wouldn’t want to be the only man in a house or village. Yikes! I have been there, at least in a house.
Ash…”In fact I was just telling this to my guy the other day. I said it would be interesting if husbands and wives traded occupations for a week or longer.”
There was an old children’s story about the farmer and his wife, doing just that
Funny, I don’t remember either RPG or Liz having hissy fits, ever. Quite the opposite , in fact.
Nice try bloom but this article was FAIL from its basic premise. “It takes a village to raise a child” is 100% absolute rubbish. Feminist lies … used to justify EJECTING fathers from their children’s lives and replacing them with the state (big gov). The truth about what it takes to raise healthy normal children is this. STRONG FATHERS … who provide leaderships, set boundaries, set norms for behavior, define a moral compass AND PROVIDE DISCIPLINE when needed. The second part is the mother who takes care of the day to day needs of children (especially when young) and provides care, loving, warmth, and nurturing. NEITHER OF THOSE ROLES TAKES A VILLAGE.
Ton – “and I probably cause 50%- of them”
oh, NOOOO! Not TON!!! surely you jest!!! LOL!!!
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btw – even though she cannot comment, i hope Liz still reads along when she can … if so … Hi Liz! You are not forgotten … and we miss you 🙂
It take two to tango. While men are innovators, workers, and provides, they rely on women as supporters, resources and nurturers. I would rather live in a village of all men with shelters built and latrines dug, than with women sheltering in caves and using a body of water as a toilet or worse.
Aside… The phrase comes from it takes all kinds of people to raise a healthy well rounded child… Teachers, coaches, parents, family, babysitters, neighbors, siblings, friends, parents of child’s friends, good citizens looking out, crossing guards, police, etc… It is cumulative.
Mega I actually agree w you, I was taking a little poetic license there, didnt mean to imply that it truly takes a village to raise a child, rather its much easier to raise a child in a safe and secure village than as cyn says in a cave w no sanitation or comforts. And that takes men. A man who is invested, to be more exact. Treating said man well goes a long way toward fostering that.
@ Ton it is true, you were the cause of several of my fits but not that particular one. It was a post by a guest poster, a young guy whose name I forget. I read him the riot act and suggested he should immediately apologize to his mother for ever writing such things. Not my finest moment! I apologized to him later, after I stopped freaking out and reacting with immediate shrieks of “nawalt!” (Not all women are like that) and was able to step back and look at it objectively and from a distance, not take it so personally. I think you and Deti talked me down from the ledge that time. Then likely spun me out 28 days later! Lol.
@ Ton the one I remember best was the time you schooled me on the mmv of single moms, wow I was pissed at you, again taking it personally instead of objectively. Now I get what you were trying to say, then I just thought you were a massive jerk (sorry! I don’t still think that and didnt think it long.) sometimes people react so strongly bc deep down they know it’s true but don’t want it to be. The want the pretty little lies to be true, instead.
Ash wrote: “In fact I was just telling this to my guy the other day. I said it would be interesting if husbands and wives traded occupations for a week or longer.
He kind of joked and said it sounded like it should be a reality show.
Then we both agreed that it would make men and women better appreciate their spouse, that’s for sure.”
There was an episode of “I Love Lucy” that was about that. It provided some insights! There’s a lot more wisdom in episodes of “I Love Lucy” than we realize! 🙂
http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/ForestDesert.htm Steve Dutch’s critique on female based societies
You might find this interesting: http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/motherless-babies-really-step-forward/
“Now we’ve got another British advance on the bioethics front; the prospect of creating embryos without the benefit of female gametes as a result of an experiment on mice by the University of Bath. It demonstrates that in theory any cell in the human body could be fertilised by a sperm. In practice, it has been carried out with skin cells. Which we’ve all got, obviously, boys as well as girls.”
Apparently, women might not be required to create an embryo (but still required to bear it – at the moment). UK boffins found a way to fertilise skin cells from male mice to create an embryo.
We are one step closer to ectogenesis. The advance would be supported as a way to allow gay couples to procreate and enable infertile (due to age or other reasons) women to have kids – hence morally defensible as something that improves the quality of life and general equality for victimised/stigmatised minorities, totally on par with current cultural narrative.
But in fact that is a grave news for all womenfolk, as it strips the only real power women had left over men to make them inherently valuable (the other one – access to sex-for-pleasure – was effectively stripped by Sexual Liberation and its side effects – specifically, porn). Women might be made redundant by technology, an appendix of human species. Of course what feminists will say to you is that this will finally liberate “women from the tyranny of their reproductive biology.”
Unsurprisingly, the research team from Bath is 94% male (women are better involved in teaching/lecturing though): http://www.bath.ac.uk/bio-sci/contacts/
lol I am a massive jerk, so no worries.
I am a massive jerk who happens to be correct. And humble.
Liz’s major hissy fit was me saying women shouldn’t vote but it seemed like both of you were taking a break even two weeks or so. Or several a week when things were really getting tough but that never bothered me. Coming face to face with reality is difficult the 1st couple of times
I was rather fond of both you bitches pretty early, even when you both thought I was a major jerk, easy to tell you were both genuine, but there are certain core concepts of red pill/ MMP/SMP which have to be understood for it to bring value to anyone’s life. For you, the key was MMV. Default most important concept for women is understanding what men value, what reduces her value and how to offset liabilities.
For guys it’s alpha fucks, beta bucks, how/ when women exit the cock carousel and then his particular value in the SMP/MMP and how to improve it.
As always men have to have a much deeper understanding and put in more work, but that’s why we do things like build things like complex societies
Men create civilizations to gift them to women. Civilization is a high-level result of a provider mode all men are wired with.
Man without a woman will have his Spartan cave, his day job of keeping himself alive and be happy with this bare minimum for the rest of his days. It takes a woman to push him to go out to conquer and tame the world around.
That’s certainly how I made my way to six digits and nice big comfy house 🙂 Thanks to the lady that was next to me during all those years.
Lol Ton, I was and am pretty fond of you too and yes you are a massive jerk! Lol. With a heart of gold.
I do remember Liz getting so mad she left for weeks, but I don’t remember doing so. I remember I could not stop reading, it all made so much sense, the commenters were all such deep thinkers, the conversations so deep, the content I had never seen or heard discussed before, the depths we would plumb looking for answers, explaining why things were so fucked up, why things weren’t working, didn’t work, couldn’t work, would never work. I was glued to that we site every day, waaaay too many hours. But it was fascinating. And like it or not it was truth. And it changed me and still is changing me. For the better. I wish I had known all this sooner! So I started this blog. To try to tell others… 🙂
Sergey that is so true, men don’t create civilizations because they need them. They do it because we women need them. It’s not opression, it’s love that drives it! 🙂 Man invented the washing machine (and running water, and electricity, and soap, and the rest) not to enslave woman but to help make her life easier and better! Awwww… To all those men and all of you… Thank you!!!
Maybe I did leave at times but I don’t recall it being because I couldn’t take you guys or was mad, even tho you guys did spin me out at times, or the red pill reality did I should say, I always somehow knew it wasn’t because you were trying to be mean to me. I always somehow got that. Even when what you said pissed me off. I was glad I found j4g first rather than a guy only site because you guys were cool to me, elsewhere I may have not been so welcomed, or tolerated. That’s why I try to foster that same “we can disagree, but agree to disagree” climate here. I think in mixed company that’s important 🙂
Liz was a big help to me too at that time. She helped translate what I didn’t understand yet. Or she’d ask questions, or help clarify. Liz is awesome. Miss you Liz if you are reading! Love you!
For those who don’t know Liz, she was a long time and very active commenter who had to take a break because her hubby’s job requires computer monitoring and this kind of stuff might not be ok w his boss. Pfffft to his boss but I totally get it. Deplorables! Lol.
And you must all be sleeping. Another thing I miss about Liz was her insomnia hours matched my own! Lol.
‘That means, if it were not for the supposedly horrible and oppressive men willing to protect and provide, the villages they need to raise children with would not be able to exist.’
Correct. There was a Dutch reality show that demonstrated this well. It was reviewed over at ROK by a chap calling himself (ironically I assume) Nomen Nescio;
“Quite a few years ago, I had the pleasure of watching the Dutch version of Survivor (Expeditie Robinson) with my feminist roommate. That particular season would have two islands, one populated by men and one populated by women. My roommate had been promoting that particular series to me and the other students in the house for weeks because it would show us, according to her, what a society run by women – free from the evils of patriarchy – would be like.
And it did. Oh it did.
Here is what happened: initially both groups were dropped on their respective islands, given some supplies to get started and left to fend for themselves. In both groups there was some initial squabbling as people tried to figure out a local hierarchy. The men pretty much did whatever they felt was necessary – there was no leader giving orders. Men who felt like hunting, foraging or fishing did so. Another guy decided he was fed up with sitting on sand and started making benches. Others built a hut that gradually grew and evolved. Another guy cooked every night. Within days a neat little civilization was thriving, each day being slightly more prosperous than the previous one.
The women settled into a routine as well. The hung up a clothesline to dry their towels, then proceeded to sunbathe and squabble. Because unlike men, women were unable to do anything without consensus of the whole group. And because it was a group of at least a dozen women, consensus was never reached. During the next few episodes, the women ate all their initial supplies, got drenched by tropical storms several times, were eaten alive by sand fleas and were generally miserable. The men on the other hand, were quite content. There were disagreements of course, but they were generally resolved.
Eventually, the people running the program decided something had to change. In order to help the women out, three men would be selected to go to their island. In return, three women would take their place at the men’s island. The look on my feminist roommates face during this episode was priceless.
Initially, the three men selected for the women’s island were ecstatic, for obvious reason. But then they arrived at the island and were greeted by the women.
‘Where is your hut?’, they asked.
‘We have no hut’
‘Where are your supplies?’ they asked, dismayed
‘We ate all the rice’
And so on. The three men ended up working like dogs, using all the skills developed by trial and error in their first few weeks – building a hut, fish, trying to get the women to forage. The women continued to bitch and sunbathe. The three women who were sent to the men’s island were delighted – food, shelter and plenty of male attention was freely available. They too continued to sunbathe.
And that my friends, is what patriarchy is. My former roommate, unsurprisingly, is no longer a feminist.”
@RPG
I believe I left another comment there earlier. It had a few links in it, so may be somewhere in anti-spam moderation queue? Or maybe I never actually posted due some kind of a glitch.
Sergey if there are more than two links it will get held up, let me look….
@RPG
Will keep that in mind. It’s in the thread now. Thank you.
Farmboy dodged his share of dishes
what happened to j4g? can it still be read?
Some of the lead personalities started getting laid thanks to the Red Pill and Game so they moved to other projects, then came an internal power struggle
Deti could explain better, if he cares to
is the site still up to read?
are the 4 guys still around elsewhere?
Nope
Occasionally
Farmboy dodged his share of dishes
Lent him some of my Jedi powers, so easy for him this was
I feel bad about that too, Yoda. For some reason whenever I would get spun up, I’d send virtual dishes flying toward Farm Boy. Thing is, he seemed to like it, which of course egged it on. Lol.
The blog was originally four guys but eventually was down to mostly one. Trolls attacked, things got out of hand, the organizers just got sick of it I think. Whoever was paying for the site must have stopped or taken it down or something bc it’s no longer there. Han Solo was one of the four guys, and the “Heirarchy of the Herd” article was his from there. Hopefully more of those old articles will reappear at Spawny’s over time? There were some great ones!
Years ago, while in a doctor’s waiting room, I was going through a copy of Woman’s Day magazine. Something was missing as I leafed through it. In two separate copies there were only three pictures of men. I think that women want the village.
A new post at Spawny’s there is
https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2016/09/16/lies-and-more-lies/
Saw the post over at Spawny’s and its appropriate here. Lies, lies, and more lies. It does not take a village to raise a child. Learn it and then learn it some more. Undo the lies you are taught. Learn to recognize the lies. What it takes to raise a child is two parents; two parents 1 MALE and 1 FEMALE. Don’t let the lies fool you.
I agree mega_guy. You are correct — it doesn’t take a village to raise a child, it takes PARENTS. A mom and a dad. In a village or not in a village. Agreed. I was doing a play on words there… maybe it flopped.
If it really took a village to raise a child….then those kids raised on remote farms and ranches would have been out of luck. Whereas actually, most of them seem to have turned out pretty well.
Indeed David! 🙂 I am doing my best to raise my kids as far from pop culture and main stream media as possible!
Gonna try a cross post here; hope its allowed. Normally not a fan of AVFM but Paul pretty much nailed it here. He’s commenting on the Millennial generation and how so many think they are useless. Pretty insightful …
http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/fathers/are-millennial-men-useless/
A new post at Spawny’s there is
https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2016/09/17/empowerment-through-social-media/
There is a new post at Spawny’s,
https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2016/09/19/the-young-males-path/
Lol. I’m a female civil engineer. I literately build society. So tell me, boys, what exactly is YOUR contribution to building society? Or do you think just having a penis entitles you a claim in the glory of other men who do lead, build, create, and invent while you ride coattails and complain about women?
Sass, I have been thinking the same thing, but you phrased it so much better:
“Or do you think just having a penis entitles you a claim in the glory of other men who do lead, build, create, and invent while you ride coattails and complain about women?”
So very true!
One of my first mentors was a woman. She has literally helped mold and direct many people who have gone on to varying degrees of greatness in their field. Whether I will ever achieve greatness myself, I don’t know, but I’m pretty sure I’ve contributed more (not that it’s saying much!) than some of the perpetual complainers about women.
While I’m sure some of the men who complain bitterly here have contributed something of note, probably many more have not. They spend way too much time complaining on the Internet–where would they find the time?
To clarify, I refer to the men who complain bitterly via the manosphere as a whole, not just this red pill blog. (There are several more temperate and reasonable guys here. 🙂 )
“Sass” a good name it is.
A Jedi Knight I am
Battle evil I do