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More and more often I am hearing red pill type thinking from people in real life who I am pretty positive have never heard of the red pill or visited the manosphere. And I mean so many times in the past few weeks versus the past few years that I can’t write it off as just coincidence.
The interesting thing is they seem to be of various ages and demographics, both male and female.
I am not sure if these people have always secretly thought this way, and the results of the recent election have allowed them to feel they can speak more freely, or if the red pill is somehow going mainstream and people outside of this little corner of the Internet are somehow picking red pill concepts up?
In any case I find it very encouraging. I hope it leads us from where we are now to something that is more positive and works better for men, women, and children alike.
I am curious…has anyone else noticed the same?
(We touched on this in the comments of yesterday’s post, but I thought it might be good to expand on that and the “Overton Window shifting” idea…)
Notes From a Red Pill Girl 
Ohhhh thanks for the Wikipedia link, I thought it was some Tonnish joke I didn’t get!
I haven’t noticed, but I reaeaeally don’t leave the house much.
“The OverTon” has a ring to it right?
Now I wish I’d trademarked ‘Tonnish’
Lol the Over Ton window! I had not noticed that! 🙂
So Tonnish of you!
“people outside of this little corner of the Internet are somehow picking red pill concepts up?”
This^^^^^ Spill over from the meme magic in the election for the most part making red pill ideas hip and cool instead of spergy and “out there” as commonly thought amongst the lumpen prole masses.
I do have a sky light in my throne room
That would be the Over Ton window
lol!
sometimes … i think i’m hearing my husband speaking. over ton window in the throne room. just . . . . . men!
I found an interesting article from Psychology Today where a female evolutonary biologist discusses female sexuality and it seems like she pretty much confirms a lot of the red pill way of looking at things in terms of women being predisposed to hypogamy – at least when there are no societal norms prohibiting this kind of behavior. But what do you Think, do you Think it is possible that we will be able to create new norms that restrain hypogamy or is it a lost battle? Or is it even a battle that we should even fight?
The last few weeks have been quite chocking for me after all I have read about relationships and now even the scientifists seems to confirm it. Ok I have felt that something is not right for a long time but I have tried to tell myself that things are not that bad but now it just feels like I don´t want to engage in any relatinships which feels very sad. I mean a lot of people seem to have relationships still so perhaps there is hope, just that you have to be aware of reality, I dont know..Im just very counfused right now!
Here is a link to the article:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/once-more-feeling/201306/female-sexual-desire-evolutionary-biology-perspective
I had not thought it could be the memes but I bet that’s a big part of it. But even non-computer people, people older than us, are saying things too.
There is a new post at Spawny’s
https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2016/12/02/school-boys/
Arise, I will have a read. Many here do engage in relationships successfully, but they are doing it differently. I will try to find some articles along those lines, others feel free to share links too!
Over Ton as a title as in Over Ton, lord and protector of the Confederacy
So give Ton credit for expanding the discussion window we will
+10 for Yoda, it is 🙂
Oh dear… Over Ton, the Glorious One! He’s Tonnish. Tontastic. Tonified. Tonariffic. The Ton Meister. See what you have started, HHW and Ame? Lol! 🙂
Arise
Some do make it work.
I am both devote mgtow and married for 28 years.
24 were blue pill. Then I swallowed the pill, went thru the rage\depression stage.
And made massive changes including the year of hell. We split for several months and then she returned.
We both now run by minimalist, and red pill principles. She encourages me to lead and forsaking modern distractions for simpler farm life allows and forces me to be traditional manly. Hauling, lugging, taking care of dangerous critters.
And we have seen our SMV realistically.
But outside her and one other red pill girl (irl) I largely ignore women and have zfg attitude especially with my SIW boss and the hundred plus nurses at work.
Truth shall set you free.
IF…IF you embrace it. Run with it. LIVE not just exist.
Life is best spent breathless!!!
Ton-o-Rama. The Tonster. Lol!
(Maybe you guys remember that SNL character?)
Run and lift daily.
Wonder always.
Decide instantly.
Apologize never
Fuck often.
If it doesnt take you breath away, you aint Living enough.
Makin the copies.
The Toninator!
King Ton(g)
Ton o weight.
Meester Ton!
Tona roni.
The “Ton”
Tons of Fun
Ton-ton-tonster
lol! y’all are cracking me up!
being in Texas where we share a boarder with Mexico, “Meester Ton!” cracked me up!
Senor Ton.
Monsieur Ton
Herr Ton
Mgr. Ton
Ton Esquire
Signor Ton
господин Ton
Redpillgirl
Yes I am thinking a lot about what alternative ways there might be to have a relationship, it´s kind of interesting stuff. please share if you find some articles or other info on this topic.
mgtowhorseman
yeah depression seems like a fitting word, or like someone has ripped away the carpet under your feet. But I have always valued truth highly. As you say I am also starting to realize that I must start to change my ways, I just don´t know where to start and who to trust. I have learned so many things during my upbringing that I feel are wrong but I like this attitude of not giving a damn and not allowing people to tread on me and being able to trust myself and my capabilities.
I also feel an urge to develop my masculine side but that part is also a bit confusing since I have been raised on the idea that women and men are supposed to be the same (which I stopped believing a long time ago, but I feel I am stuck in those learned patterns of behavior that only lead me in the wrong way.) At the same time I have started to notice certain behaviors that seem to be very instinctive that I have perhaps repressed in the past. I feel like I have been raised to be some sort of neutral person which actually is very sick when you Think about it.
And then I was actually born before things really started to spin out of control with feminist teaching at Kindergarten and in school. Actually what makes me the most angry is that it is the men who needs the most help with becoming men that become the victims of this policy, whereas the most naturally masculine men dont give a shit about what some feminist tells them anyway and they know how to behave like men from the start. So we create a gap between these Groups of men.
And I have also been taught that men should be ashamed of themselves (living in one of the leading countries of feminism) so there is a bit of resistance within me because of this as well. Do you have any advice on how to move forward, like conrete things I could try to do/books to read or anything else?
I must tell you that it is encouraging to read that you have found a way for things to work with your wife. I just don´t know how I should view women right now, feels like the majority wont be like your wife.
Arise, the guys could likely advise you better here than I could. Guys… a list of suggested sites? Where to start?
I just don´t know how I should view women right now
I don’t know about you, but I prefer naked. The attractive ones, anyway. Land whales… no.
The problem is, it sounds like you need to stop worrying about women and focus on how you view yourself. The battle is for your mind and only you can fight that one. Learning game will take you down that path, then comes the fight for everything else. I wrote a post about this recently. There are a number of issues that brings up, but I’ll make a couple of points here.
Within the manosphere the basic advice is learn game, hit the gym and develop your education/career to earn more money and increase status. Part of the problem with that is the guys who teach game will tell you that you don’t need anything but game and anyone can learn game. Well… there is no requirement that you pick only one. You are most attractive when game (learned charisma), looks (muscular physique) and money (good career field) are combined.
Then again, there are others who will tell you that it’s all Freudian dick stuff and you can learn game, get jacked and earn more money but until you have a big dick it just won’t work. Which means you’re supposed to run out and buy a bathmate. Yes, they work, so ask yourself why women shame men for having a little dick AND shame men who use a device to get a bigger dick? Want to have some real fun? Publicly ask why it is “empowering” for women to masturbate using an artificial penis (dildo) but it’s “shameful” for a man to masturbate using an artificial vagina (fleshlight). Better yet, why is it good for women to masturbate but bad for men?
In case you haven’t figured this out, “good” means “good for women” and “bad” means “bad for women.”
But maybe you’re a Christian and find the truth offensive. Oops… OK, take a look at Genesis 3:16. “he shall rule over you” and ask yourself if you’re even fit to rule over an 8th grade girl, much less a grown woman. You can just as easily read “your desire shall be for your husband and he shall rule over you” as saying “your desire shall be for the man who is fit to rule you.” Be fit to rule. Want an instant litmus test on whether a woman thinks you’re fit to rule her (which also speaks to her willingness to be ruled)? Wait for her to display some bad behavior and say: You need to be spanked. Her reaction will speak volumes.
There is no such thing as “the one” and your belief in “the one” will ruin you. Women are wonderful, but don’t take them too seriously. Why? Mr Christian, do you not understand *why* God said the husband was to rule over his wife? That was a judgment. In order to understand the judgment you must understand the facts of the case.
Eve, the greatest woman who ever lived, greater than any other woman ever since, was completely deceived and used to take down the greatest man who ever lived. In doing so she wrecked things and sin entered the world. That is the subject of that judgement, but look at the facts of the case as a judge would. What does a judge do when the woman who is the first, the all-time greatest, at the top of her game living in paradise in a world with no sin with no job, no TV, no cell phone, no social media, no children to chase and ONLY ONE RULE TO OBEY… and she can’t even obey that one simple rule? Isn’t that the definition of incompetence?
What God did was declare her (and all her daughters) incompetent and appoint a guardian for them. “he shall rule over you.” Before you scream too loud, read Numbers 30 before you try telling me that the husband-wife relationship isn’t a guardian-ward relationship. And if you think about it, God also cursed Adam with that judgment because “your desire shall be for your husband” is where hypergamy came from and men have had to deal with that ever since.
All Women Are Like That. They can be wonderful, but don’t take them too seriously and be ready to say “NEXT!” Finally, consider the The 16 Commandments Of Poon as words to live by.
Tust is a tricky issue. there are levels to trust and the possible damage for trusting the wrong man on the wrong topic. Take note I said man, not person, not male, not child but man.
I trust Girl with the health and well being of The Girls, Ton Spawn, myself etc. Her in the house is better then a loaded gun. The last of my Hell Hounds, the most fucked up and the most dear. Hell I can’t fuck The Girls or discipline the Ton Spawn around her. It confuses Girl. I am top dog, but she thinks she should defend/ but she doesn’t want to cross me but…. any rate I don’t trust Girl not to rip my face off when she is conflicted between me and fulfilling her role as defender. I can trust Girl to not run away, not steal food and a whole hosthing of basic doggie obedience shit.
I do not trust her around others. Given half a chance she would depopulate the world. With a smile on her face.
I trust my Lady Pit around strangers but not food and for damn sure don’t trust her not to run off.
There are doctors I trust with my shoulder problems but not with my scrambled up brain issues. Men I trust with my life but would never trust to invest my money etc etc
That’s the trust quandary. Who do you trust? And on what topic do you trust them? And to what level? Often this is less an issue of the others character and integrity and more an issue of their abilities, talents and limitations
I will say as my Tonnish increased I began to trust more. I learned how people work how systems work. I trusted myself to make better decsions regarding who to trust and myself to recover from breaches of trust.
Developing masculinity takes time, exposure to masculinity and knowledge. More like wisdom and understanding
The 1st thing you need to understand is the importance of being proficient with violence. Not a full time student of but skilled enough to keep your shit your shit, your bitch your bitch etc. Full contact MMA 3 times a week and you’ll be golden in no time. Same for full contact kick boxing or boxing. Any actually combat sport where you are hitting and kicking other dudes and they are pounding on you. None of that oriental dance routine bullshit. And learn to use a gun. Lots of good options out there but again you just need to be able to draw, shoot and hit when the pressure is on.
No more then 18 months for that. 6 months is more likly.
#1 reading list
The Way of Men by Jack Donovan
the Old Testament
Don’t care if you believe but it is full of Old School wisdom and holy men utterly soaked in the blood of their enemies and a Holy God full of masculine anger, fired up justice and what not. Good lessons all. Skip the begats, and so many cubits by so many cubits. Learn what it means to be masculine, to balance mercy with justices, that anger and violence are not fundamental wrong
Get the basics of game and lady behaviour and keep them in the forest front of your mind. Bang your wife out like you own her, fuck her hard, fuck her often, hand around her throat, hand full of hair, she belongs to you and has no say so over her body.
Sounds like way more work then it is but 6 months and you’ll be well on your way
Any rate, that’s the basic outline.
Once you have a handle on those concepts you are ready to branch out.
Also once you have the basic level down things you might be interested in but aren’t generally considered masculine are reframed. Now you have depth as a man vs being a simp
Over Ton, the Glorious One!….. I like one but don’t want to cross Spawny
He’s Tonnish. Tontastic. Tonified. Tonariffic. The Ton Meister. All acceptable
Ton-o-Rama. No. Just plain no
The Tonster. I’ll nick name one of my son’s that when the time comes
The Toninator!….Love that one,
King Ton(g)…. perhaps a little to grand
Ton o weight…. reminds me to eat less since I can’t work out more
Meester Ton!…. Funny as hell and reminds me of an employee
Tona roni….. no
The “Ton”…. no
Tons of Fun…. yes I am but another reminder to not get fat
Ton-ton-tonster….. also no
Senor Ton….. legit
Monsieur Ton….. legit
Herr Ton……. legit
Mgr. Ton….. sounds too corporate
Ton Esquire….. classy yet under stated. Just like me 😉
Signor Ton….. legit
господин Ton…..?…..
I started using my name as a verb after watching Archer. Makes The Girls groan
RPG,
I was raised with many red pill concepts and the rest I just figuring out what is true through experience. I became red pill before there was even a red pill. I just found the so called ‘red pill’ 2 years ago, but I have been living a MGTOW/red pill life for over 20 yrs.
I think what you are seeing is people feeling free enough to express what they already believe/learned.
Arise,
Some of my suggestions for being a man: spend a lot of time thinking and figuring out who you are and who you want to be and then become that.
As you figure out who you are/ will be also figure out how you will treat others and what kind of treatment you will except from others. I suggest treating everyone the way you want to be treated is a good idea (Golden rule et al.). I would also suggest you learn to walk away from anyone who does not treat you well, and if they will not let you walk away learn to put them in their place.
Become the master of yourself. Start to control yourself under all circumstance. Never respond to someones shock tactics. Never allow someone to emotionally manipulate you.
You only have control of one person in this world, learn to control him.
You only have control of one person in this world, learn to control him
Two Ton Thumbs up
yes I’ve seen RP concepts going mainstream. They’re not called RP or in the jargon used around here. But they’re out there and a lot of people are seeing them. I frankly think it’s because relationships between the sexes are so bad and the unfairnesses so stark that no one can deny them anymore.
–AF/BB (never called that, but guys are noticing women doing it)
–marriage sucks for men
–don’t get married
–don’t have kids
–if you get married you’re probably going to get divorced
–male looks matter, a lot. Hot guys get everything; non-hot guys get table scraps, if that
another “red pill” concept gaining purchase in the mainstream is “cuck” and “cuckold”, used in the same way it’s used in the sphere:
–The husband of an adulterous wife;
–a man unwittingly investing in offspring not his own;
— hapless wimp men constantly taken advantage of and fucked over by others smarter, stronger or more powerful than he is
–men who willingly allow others to take advantage of them, fuck them over, or manipulate them in the service of liberal, feminist, or social justice purposes
RPG asks for advice and links knowing links put comments into moderation. Then she doesn’t check her mod stack…
Lesson learned?
As Ton said:
Tust is a tricky issue. there are levels to trust and the possible damage for trusting the wrong man on the wrong topic.
Consider the difference between the men these two quotes describe:
“I’d trust him with my life, but not with my wife…”
“I’d trust him with my wife, but never with my life…”
@ Toad I have been away, let me set your message free!
“Consider the difference between the men these two quotes describe:
“I’d trust him with my life, but not with my wife…”
“I’d trust him with my wife, but never with my life…””
– – – – –
is it only either or the above?
is there ever a man one could trust with his life and his wife?
“is there ever a man one could trust with his life and his wife?”
Of course. I never said there wasn’t, was trying to keep it simple.
Alright, got a few things to Think about now so thank you for that everyone. Another thing I have been thinking a lot about lately is choice of job/career. I am currently in the middle of an education in a field which is dominated by women (lets say that there are 75 -80 % women). The thing is that I am very interested in the subject I am studying, but I sometimes consider changing to something with more men so as not to give all the assholes out there a chanse to attack me for my choice of career.
The sickening thing thoug is that the subject I study in no way is more suited for women ( I would say it is kind of neutral in that sense) but there are some other reasons for there being more women. One of them of course being that men are reluctant to get in to female dominated jobs because they know that some people will spit on them and just feel contempt for them.
What are your thoughts on this? To sum it up:
The pros of continuing with my current education
1. There are a lots of jobs, so no unemployment.
2. Good pay – I Think I could earn a good salary, maybe enoguh to make me top 10 % or 15 % in the country where I live.
3. I am interested in the subject
Cons
1. People will shittalk for choosing a career with mostly women.
2. My own feelings that I feel less like a man, which will lower my self confidence.
Or do you Think it is possible to pulll it through if you, like SFC Ton wrote – if you prove yourself to be a man, stand up for your self, develop strenght and wisdom, that my choice of career could be seen as a way of becoming a more Deep man who is respected for that rather than making people feel contempt.
I must say that it is so sick to even have to consider this. I mean, I work hard and I want to do something good with my studies so I shouldnt have to wory about what others Think. It´s not as though I am a criminal and the paradox is of course that if I were a criminal some women would respect me more.
lol!
hummm … Ame / simple … Ame / simple …
sigh.
Arise, would you be comfortable sharing what that field is? In a general way, I understand if you don’t want to be specific…
LOL you know how I’ll vote Arise
Look little brother, learn MMA and get in the ring every few months. There you are, the skilled fighter with a black eye, top 15% income job, strong masculine frameand surrounded by bitches…… think about that math my man
A new post at Spawny’s there is
https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2016/12/03/defective-men/
Arise. I work in a facility of 140+ women and exactly 14 guys. But its my facility and health care is a female field.
But and big but…Daily I recognize the female matrix at work trying to drag me down, soften me. You will face the same.
So you need time with men. To bond, to swear, to trashtalk, hell just to get things done and feel some accomplishment. Female workplaces dont get much real stuff done.
So for me I farm. I work alongside men one the weekend. I play sports.
The truth is once you embrace it, the pill allows you to basically do what you want and fuck the world. At first it seems awkward.
But the first time you and the boys walk into the outside patio sweaty from sports and in a cheerful tone yell “Barwench, grog for my men!” People will stare. Wimps will mutter. When she brings them you tip obsenely large and compliment her “now thats a bonnie lass” and raise a mug and say to the bar
” Drink to my victorious lads” and chug like a dwarf.
People will laugh, sjws will leave, panties will moisten.
Let out the inner barbarian within reason.
This was last Sunday….how were they to know we got our asses handed to us in shinny by a bunch of 25 year olds. By the time we left we were drunken best friends with the bunch.
Basically embrace your kid. Parkour (what i just call playing) is great. Go for a run but jump over stuff, swing from trees, tumble, fuck around. Im not this good but I can still do a backflip and a monkey vault.
Horsemans rules
Play every day. Not structured sports…go fuck around outside.
Tell someone to fuck off at leasdt once a week.
Four words…not my fucking problem.
Safety first…never shower alone
Scars heal, glory fades
All thats left are the memories made
Pain hurts, only for a minute
Life’s short
Go out and live it
Cause the chicks (worthy ones) dig it
Chris Cagle – Chicks Dig It – YouTube
The truth is once you embrace it, the pill allows you to basically do what you want and fuck the world. At first it seems awkward.
Horsemen
Legit. I drink sweet muscadine wines, love babies ( until they shit or cry), keep fresh cut flowers in the house, cook like a boss, love the movie princess bride….open about all that and none of its a hit once your frame is soild.
I dont think that word means what you think it does.
Too bad Patinkin became such a wimp in his later roles
Bloom
Must must must do an article on this as warning.
Cappy spells it out. Period.
Your main (only) comodity is female youth and beauty and y’all threw it away.
Invisible after 50? Hell after 40 or 170 lbs whichever comes first.
Bloom – you need to flag this post as an intro/help to men starting out in TRP … these men have written out some really great stuff in here.
Once again, thanks a lot for your views. I wont go into details about the exact job but I Think I got some good answers and I feel more encouraged to continue, I guess its more about freedom and spirit rather than you are only allowed certain things. I see what you meen there horseman with the women trying to soften or castrate you, I will have that in mind. Its kind of strange, they try to soften you but they also want you to behave like a beast.
Goes quite well with my own beliefs, like you are allowed to do what the hell you want. Trouble is, feminists say behave like a wimp and get yourself castrated and then heaven awaits.
If I fail or when I die, I will at least know that the fuckers can not control my mind anymore and I have seen through their bs lies.
Its kind of strange, they try to soften you but they also want you to behave like a beast.
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It’s how they test the strength of your masculine frame. Fail the test, or fail to many and it’s dry vags and more bullshit. Pass the test and it’s momentary pouting, wet vags and compliance
Women are unthinking herd creatures so by and large do not intentionally test you. Don’t take it personally unless she is being nasty about it
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If I fail or when I die, I will at least know that the fuckers can not control my mind anymore and I have seen through their bs lies.
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Fuckyeah!
Its crazy, I mean being brought up Learning to be civilized to women, being a philosopher, gentleman or what the fuck, but all that really matters is that beast and the thug. Life must have been really rough and fucked up in prehistorical times if the only thing women really, genuinelly (without faking) find attractive in a man is his potential to destroy the world around him. Like thats the only thing which counts if you want to survive in evolutionary terms. So the elite fucks tell us that humans are good hearted by nature, cooperative and believers of truth and justice. Feels like the human race is worse than animals, I mean animals can be grim but at least they are not deceitful about it.
Aaaaaaaaaaand the boy gets it!!!
Welcome!
Arise Sir….um well Sir Arise!
Animals practice their own version of deceit
Lions and bears and other critters kill youngins to fonce females into heat, they attack from ambush and all sorts of stuff
I shall Arise and transform and become a man! I actually feel more and more relief the more I read and the more I Think. Like it has Always felt like a struggle Before, but now I will let the baggage down and embrace freedom. I actually start to feel more thrilled with the challenges that lay ahead of me, like if i should fall I will rise up and not take it personally like someone wrote – we are just humans. It is just a play of shapes and forms all of which can be transcended with a grin and spit (and a touch of hidden affection even) in the eye Clint Eastwood-style. Like you can still appreciate imperfection, maybe even more so now that realising that imperfection is more truth, than any idea of perfection.
Yeah I guess you are right about the animals there as well!
Life still feels rough and messed up even for sheltered and priviledged women like myself, some times. I hear about some of the worlds atrocities and think there, but for the grace if God…
And everything gets a million times scaries as you have.children. Even the loveliest coziest home is a pitential death trap to a baby, and they dismantle every childproofing thing you install. Xanax is so popular because there is so very, very much to fear.
My husband is the only security I have that feels real.
“More and more often I am hearing red pill type thinking from people in real life who I am pretty positive have never heard of the red pill or visited the manosphere. And I mean so many times in the past few weeks versus the past few years that I can’t write it off as just coincidence.”
This certainly appears to be the case. I’ve also noticed a very recent ‘backlash’ against certain mainstream ideas which had, until recently, been accepted as gospel. This backlash and questioning of certain ideas has, as you have noted, come from people who are completely unaware of red pill or the manosphere reaching their own conclusions.
Not sure about the Overton Window shift though. I recently became a full-time
homemaker after having a very successful career (during which I lived relatively frugally and saved up plenty of money) – I receive plenty of snide comments from women of all ages on a fairly regular basis.
Xanax is so popular because there is so very, very much to fear.
Xanax for Mom or Baby it would be?
Xanax for mom because babies are fearless, even when there is real danger. I don’t use it, but sometimes I wish I did.
The Overton Window has been discussed at length among the Endorsed Contributors over at the Red Pill subreddit for the last couple years, both in public threads and in our private EC sub. If you are going to have any success educating men (and women) about real masculinity and RP principles, you have to take into account the Overton Window.
All that said, I think part of the tactic of the Red Pill subreddit, its ECs, and other manosphere writers is causing subtle shifts in that window, by reframing the conversation. It is also why we consistently repudiate any notion that we are a social or political “movement” … it becomes difficult to shift the conversation (from outside of it) if you are seen as having an agenda for doing so. But if you are shifting the conversation in the interests of Truth, then that is another matter.
“If you are going to have any success educating men (and women) about real masculinity and RP principles, you have to take into account the Overton Window.”
Bullshit. These days, only way men will desire that education is if they see the success that results from confident masculinity, amused mastery and ZFG. Which means the best way to teach about it is to demonstrate that success. The best revenge is living well.
The overton window is a concept that’s based on the fear of what others think. When it comes to success for a man, there is only his frame. Want a simple example? Use the word pussy in public in conversation with women. Any way you want to use it as long as you’re not making a lame reference to a house-cat. How you do it is important, because it should be in reference to a woman (not her genitalia) or to put down a useless cuck. Even better if you combine the two:
“Wow, she sure has him pussy-whipped.”
“Meh… he’s too much of a pussy to chase pussy and not enough of a man for pussy to chase him.”
And isn’t it funny that those two statements describe the majority of males?
https://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2F736x%2F00%2F06%2Fdb%2F0006dbb92ace505e7e7f0f8f39992cc8.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.com%2Fexplore%2Fjames-mattis%2F&docid=f3uxy2aT32t2SM&tbnid=wFcp1DmdYL-xoM%3A&vet=1&w=403&h=403&client=tablet-android-alco&bih=768&biw=1368&ved=0ahUKEwiwz6GYuNnQAhVl0oMKHVklDSkQMwgdKAIwAg&iact=mrc&uact=8
When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she’s dating a pussy”
― General James N. Mattis
As Yoda said on the last thread, and Toad is saying here, I think Trump and his ZFG and PC-busting and outright masculinity unrepentant has done a lot for window shifting…
When was the last time we saw such a public and unapologetic example of real life masculinity? Awhile…
Mad Dog Mattis good he will be.
But Ton a better choice he is
I wonder if Ton knows of/has any opinion of the Mad Dog?
Just guessing here but I am thinking Ton might take a scorched earth policy toward all that mess and just be one and done…let God sort them out. But I could be wrong there…
He’s a fucking pussy with good PR that somehow gets him street cred for quotes that are decades older then he is.
What people fail to understand is officers are promoted based on their political reliability and not about their ability to kill people and break shit at the lowest cost in lives, money and time. They are fucking hacks not war fighters
For officers that starts about mid career; doesn’t really apply until much later for nco’s
And in general every USMC mission I have witnessed has been a shit sandwhich because of shit planning. In this case when the Army held falljuiha, ramaodie etc we kept those bitches in check. It was the Marines who lost control of the AO. They also played only a small role in retaking the area and turned it into a meat grinder for young marines due to shit staff work.
Enlisted Marines deserve better then the officers corps they got. Much better,
Some of the PR that the Ton describes above it is
Enlisted Marines deserve better then the officers corps they got.
I agree and I think a big part of the problem is they believe their own propaganda. The marines are infantry and there was a time when it was understood that the mission of marines was to jump in quick, hit hard and fast and grab a good beachhead. The reason was because that beachhead was needed in order for the Army to bring in the heavy armor.
Now? They figure to hell with it, we’re marines, who needs heavy armor?
What people fail to understand is officers are promoted based on their political reliability and not about their ability to kill people and break shit at the lowest cost in lives, money and time.
You won’t hear me arguing with you, it started with the “zero defects” standard on fitness reports. This is where the Corps got double-screwed, because not only is the system bad, but we got stuck with the jacked up pricks coming out of Annapolis. Say whatever you want about West Point, but they don’t call Annapolis “The Prick Factory” for nothing.
Call Mattis whatever you want, but the man who got the Pashtun tribal leaders together and said “If you fuck with me I will kill you all” is probably a damn good choice for SecDef. Political hacks do not say this shit:
“Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.”
“You go into Afghanistan, you’ve got guys who slap women around for 5 years for not wearing a veil. You know, guys like that ain’t got no manhood left anyway so it’s a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them. Actually, it’s a lot of fun to fight… you know, it’s a hell of a hoot. It’s fun to shoot some people, I’ll be right up front with you, I like brawling.”
Thing is, Obama forced him to retire. His dream of being the Commandant got flushed down the toilet by the president he called an “unwiped ass.” What’s the worst that can happen now? He gets fired again? Mattis has a license to not give a fuck about anything. And what happens if he pisses someone off? They go running to State with their panties in a wad.
And what happens when Trump puts Petraeus in as SecState? The man that got fired for banging some wench that was younger and way hotter than his wife and kept waving her tits in his face? Right, so Petraeus got canned for some trumped up charges of mishandling classified info.
Another one with a license to not give a fuck about hurting someone’s feelings.
The propaganda bullshit is a sideshow for people who don’t know jack. The rubber meets the road when it comes to the ROE and those are the two men who will set the ROE for any conflict. If they’re a couple of hacks who don’t know jack about killing people and breaking things, so be it, but they’re the best we’ve got.
Amy Schumer = Barbie
Tom Cruise = Reacher
All ya gotta know about the state of the nation.
Justin Trudeau = Prime Minister
He said it…. then ran a shit operation
Deeds not words
Petraeus is also a sack of shit.
They could find any number of E7’s better at the job, even more E5’s and a right fair number of 03’s
One of the things I despies about these officers is not pushing back on the ROE
Not a fucking one of them stood up for the guys on the line and said fuck no snake. They are all ball less hacks
So just checked in again, been a few days … guess I’m not banned for calling Ton out for being a coward. Figured I might be. He seems to be a favorite here along with a few others. Not sure why. Like I said previously … if he believes in Freedom and is in a position to resist the criminals who control the narrative then he should be doing something about it, taking action. Instead of being just about ALL WORDS. Its what real men do. Real men don’t TALK … THEY DO. Many of us have not been trained, don’t own arms, don’t have connections to others that do. Not much we can do, to organize, and resist.. And yet we know that the Second Amendment exists … so that when the Criminals take control … the PEOPLE have a way to fight back.
Maybe with Trump winning … my attitude is off base and I should just be quiet. Hope that is so. Hope Trump is able to change the narrative and right the ship. Shut the criminals up, turn them back, deny them their power.
Thanks to Ms Bloom for letting folks like me … who have had a few too many … sometimes … to post our opinions anyway. That is what freedom is all about. Just wish I could forget about the NSA, CIA, DHS and all the others spying on my posts here … my posts everywhere, everyone’s posts everywhere. Recorded, analyzed, and saved in the data center as EVIDENCE FOREVER. Might not be a crime today to call Ton a coward but someday it might.
I’m inclined to think that certain red pill concepts have been around for a while. Probably even before the term. I think they are mostly practiced by older people who have learned more about life and how the world works.
A few years ago, there was a 23 year old male I worked with who asked me if I knew of the book 48 Laws of Power. I immediately thought, “Does he know? Could he be?” I suppose that book is known by more people than just the red pill, but it still surprised me. He might be a bad example because that guy turned out to be a lying, cheating, three time baby daddy by age 24. Meh.
Prior to recent times it was just
Shit Dad and Grampa and summers workin taught me.
P.s.
Yoda, Don’t remind me.
You still haven’t said what I should do. Just more emtional vomit
A new post at Spawny’s there is,
https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/imaginary-lover/
@ SFC Ton “You still haven’t said what I should do”
You haven’t asked.
“You haven’t asked”
Why the hell would he want to do that?
This idiot mega comes out trying to be the only real man in the room, talking trash about what real men do and how they don’t talk, they do shit. Watching him try to AMOG Ton is pure entertainment.
And he doesn’t even realize that he sounds just like the FBI infiltrator at a clucker meeting, always talking about building a bomb or shooting someone, trying to get *someone else* to build the bomb or shoot someone.
Our little redhaired girl didn’t stand in the way of quality entertainment like that by banning mega for being an idiot… and I don’t know about everyone else, but I’ve been waiting to see what kind of “suggestions” our “real man” has to make.
Exactly, Toad. I am curious as well…. what exactly should Ton do? Besides maybe send his resume to Trump…
Consider what he’s doing. He has a business, employs people, makes payroll, pays his taxes and still has time and energy to reproduce.
What should he be doing? It isn’t my place to tell him what to do and the only suggestion I’d make would be more of the same with a focus on buns in ovens. And then make damn sure he wasn’t raising cannon fodder. I think we can trust him not to do that.
ok, so last post here; I’m done. The history nerds may know this but probably nobody else does … though if Ton is 1/2 of what he claims to be … he probably does. So ya’ll do some research on “Praetorian Guard”. And don’t use google and for god’s sake don’t use wikipedia because that has been cleansed by the SJWs to remove all truth that doesn’t fit their narrative. And men standing up to Tyranny most certainly doesn’t.
The Praetorian Guard was employed by the Roman political elite. As Rome was a declining empire for hundreds of years … returning solders … from fighting wars abroad … returned to Rome. Only to find Rome ruled by scum far worse than the savages they fought in the hinterlands. So these soldiers rose up. And killed the corrupt scum who thought they were better than them. Politicians. Legislators. Judges. Lawyers. Liars in the media who covered up what was going on. Police.
Till the scum that controlled Rome learned. Learned how to survive. Its how they survived so long as an Empire, really. They had their own private police, private guard, the Praetorian Guard … who’s only duty was to protect Politicians and the Elite … FROM THE CITIZENS THEY SUPPOSEDLY REPRESENTED. TO PREVENT THE POPULACE FROM RISING UP AND SLITTING THEIR THROATS.
Because any citizen with 1/2 a brain and means to resist the corrupt, evil, lying scum that controlled things … would do so out of HONOR. I am a soldier returning from battle and when I return to find that scum worse than those I fought against have taken control of my family, my neighbors, my church, my schools, MY LIFE and all of those I love and cherish … MY DUTY AS A HUMAN BEING IS TO DO ALL THAT I CAN DO TO OPPOSE THEM AND PRESERVE MY WAY OF LIFE AND THOSE THAT I LOVE.
Any rational male with a sense of Duty and Honor and WHO HAS A MEANS TO RESIST would do the same. Go down fighting against the evil. Doesn’t take a genius to figure it out. And doesn’t take me telling Ton what to do. He knows what to do; he just doesn’t have the balls to do it.
As for Ton and Toad and Spawny, and the others who are in circle jerk of RPG’s narrative. All I got to say is wise up. Sure, RPG is pretty cool as far as women go and isn’t brainwashed like most women are these days. Well it, it ain’t really “most women” now … is it … its 99% of women and since she’s not in that, it seems cool. But it isn’t. You want to be a man, act like a man? THEN BE A MAN. AND DO WHAT A MAN DOES. Ton claims to be a man. Claims to be a Military hero with all sorts of insider knowledge. And so I was trying to do was call him out. Ton … are you a lying faggot like the scum we all hate … or are you an Honorable man … who does what Honorable men do.
I don’t need to tell him what to do. Nobody does. He can do choose to do it. Or he can can choose to cut his own balls off and deliver them to the elites. Ain’t my place to say.
That is all I got to say … except good luck and good bye to Ms Bloom. Had fun checking in here every once in awhile … since the 4 guys site went down. Hope you enjoyed my drunken ramblings about me and my girls. All true, btw.
Peace
@ Mega, I can’t speak for Ton, but I would not say the people he came home to were worse than those he was fighting against. Does the US have problems? Yes. Would I rather live in the Middle East? No. Most definitely not.
I’m not ready to write off our country as a lost cause quite yet…and I still believe if we can get back to the founding principles we might right the ship yet. That seems to be what Trump aims to do. It seems like a lot of other people want that too. He’s stepped up as the AMOG for now… let’s see what he does with it. Time will tell.
So this is ancient Rome where a couple of dudes can stick a couple of daggers in one guys back and install a new government? And how well did that work out for Rome? I should run a one man war aginst the government so my family can die like they did in Waco and Ruby Ridge so mega can have his ideal life?
Mega is either a bot or a retard. And Fuzzie, you rode shotgun for it/ him.
There appears to have been a surge in the Manosphere in all areas of the Manosphere not just the Red Pill. This surge has brought with it both good and bad elements.
The good being that more people are now aware of what has been going on behind their backs in a way that wasn’t happening even 3 or 4 months ago. This expansion of collective consciousness will in the long run erode the holds that regressives and that pampered 1% currently have on society. Especially when it comes to Feminism, Black Lives Matter, SJW’s etc
The bad being that we’re now seeing Tone Policing, Political Correctness and blatant attacks by Regressives on what used to be quiet sites on some social media sites. We’re also seeing a rise in reactionary elements on the left. I myself have seen more examples of Anti-Semitism in the past week than I have in the past year.
Where I see this trending is that there’s more interest from both sides and there’s going to a be a period over the next couple of months where there’s going to a redrawing of the lines. Hopefully, this won’t result in a deepening and hardening of positions already held. That will definately happen if the Anti-Semitic and real true to life white racists are allowed to start openly dictating the course of things.
@Neroke thanks for adding that. I hope that if we all can start to focus on a common goal, something all can agree on, hopefully both sides can move more toward a middle ground and come together rather than go further into two camps. There has been a lot of fear mongering surrounding Trump but I think as he gets jobs and other things rolling in the right direction, people will calm down. Most people who voted for Trump are not anti-semetic, misogynistic, racist, deplorable, uneducated, etc. as portrayed. The more the left pushes that rhetoric, the more divided people will become.
I am a male in his mid 40s. I have been a “redpiller feminist” my entire life. It is not an oxymoron. I explain:
Start partying in the late 80s and continuing the party in the 90s. As a good feminist young man, I wanted deeply to please girls so much. Then…
“Girls just want to have fun”. OK. I wanted to have fun with them.
Girls take the pill and use condoms. OK.
Girls don´t want commitment. OK. Me neither. Plenty of fish around.
Girls want to ride the cock carousel. OK. I wanted to be part of the CC, and ride the pussy carousel myself. Of course, you cannot never compete with women in numbers regarding “having fun around”. But…
Entering in my 30s in the 2000s. I still wanted to please women.
Then…
Women do not want to get married cuz marriage is “oppressive to women”. OK. I did not want to oppress them with marriage. So I stayed single.
Women do not want to have children cuz is “oppressive”. I agree. I did not want to oppress them with pregnancy and I stayed childfree.
Women want open relationships. OK. Why not? As long as you respect some rules.
In my 40s in the 2010s. I still want to please women.
Plenty of attractive middle aged women aka “milfs” (most of them divorced or single moms) are riding the post divorce CC nowadays. OK. They can count on me.
So… what´s wrong with feminism? Feminism showed us men since the 60s that girls just want to have fun and do not want to marry and have children. So, let us please them. Just have fun!!! Avoid resposibiities.
It is only when feminist women want to get married and have children that we have to start thinking something is rotten in Denmark and run like hell. That is the red pill.
“It is only when feminist women want to get married and have children that we have to start thinking something is rotten in Denmark and run like hell. That is the red pill.”
Iberian, fair enough! I can understand that…
We’ve lost something very profound in all this, I think. But at the time it was seen as “progress.”