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If you haven’t heard the term “apex fallacy” before, it means the misbelief that the experiences of those at the top are, could, or should be the experiences of all.
For example, women have been told things like:
All men play the field, so it’s only fair for women to play the field just like men do. Except the reality is it is really only the very most attractive or wealthy or high status men who can easily play the field with as many women as they like. Most guys, even guys who are self proclaimed pick up experts, actually have to work very hard and get rejected many many times before they succeed. So women who are “playing the field just like a guy does” actually don’t realize that finding a guy willing to have sex with an average woman is not nearly as difficult as finding a woman who is willing to have sex with an average guy.
Another example is in career expectations. Many women have been led to believe all men have exciting, fulfilling, top level, upper management, high level, well paid, white collar, CEO type jobs and so women should expect to have the same. But again this is apex fallacy at play. In fact few men have jobs in that category. Most men work average, not very exciting, not very empowering, not very fulfilling jobs. All men do NOT have top level jobs and yet women have been mislead to believe that all women deserve top level jobs or it’s “not equal.”
Or consider the claim that, “men can do whatever they want.” In reality very few men can do whatever they want. Such men would need to have the power, wealth, status, connections, etc. to get away with doing so. Most men do not have these things and are restricted by the limitations of life like most people.
Once one starts looking for apex fallacy, the examples can be found all over the place. So while girls may be told “you can have it all” the reality is very few people have it all. Such apex fallacy sets women up for a lifetime of feeling cheated and oppressed, underappreciated and underpaid, held back and victimized when in reality they are doing as well, or even better, than the average man.
Apex fallacy. Don’t buy it!
Can you think of some more examples of apex fallacy? Please share in the comments.
An astronaut I am.
But stuck on Degoba I would be.
Being an astronaut helped me not
fancy term for no friggin clue about real life.
not everyone can be an astronaut.
not everyone can be a president – 0bama proved that!
why is it so hard for people, and especially women, to understand that not everyone can have it all?
A fat woman looks at a fit woman eating an ice cream cone and says, “I wanna eat ice cream and be sexy too.” LOL
Ronda Rousey thought she could beat the shit out of any man, especially Floyd Mayweather, but she got knocked out twice by a woman.
Demi Moore in GI Jane.
While we may call it “apex fallacy”, it amounts to a collective delusion. After some experience with older people, I found out there is no such thing as a harmless delusion.
That woman who launched the fraudulent company known as Theranos.
The female CEO of Yahoo who ran that site into the ground.
Hillary Clinton and her campaign for president.
Emelia Earhart and her epic crash into the pacific.
Danica Patrick hasn’t won any races.
A new post at Spawny’s there would be
https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2017/01/04/series-on-sluts-part-ii-preventive-responsibility/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2015/01/25/red-pill-classroom-apex-fallacy/amp/
Once one starts looking for apex fallacy, the examples can be found all over the place. So while girls may be told “you can have it all” the reality is very few people have it all. Such apex fallacy sets women up for a lifetime of feeling cheated and oppressed, underappreciated and underpaid, held back and victimized when in reality they are doing as well, or even better, than the average man.
Why so much propaganda spread it is?
Yoda,
So much propaganda is spread to foster resentment against men. This, in turn, leads more women to feminism.
Dunning-Kruger (look it up if you haven’t heard of it) accounts for a lot of resentment. People will assume that they’re awesome at something, when they’re not. If they’re a member of a minority group or “oppressed class,” they’ll blame discrimination rather than looking within and realizing that they’re not as good as they think they are. If they have others around them reinforcing the idea that it’s prejudice and oppression rather than them just being unqualified, that makes it worse.
Agree with Sue I do
Tut, tut, you have just debunked feminism. The Sisterhood will have to send you to a correctional re-educational facility.
Apex fallacy exists because of hypergamy. Women only notice those top 1-5% of men they see as being CEO, playing the field, etc. The rest of the 95-99% of men, the ones who live everyday, boring, mundane lives, are not even on their radar. In fact, they don’t even exist. This is a feature, not a bug. Women are programmed to see only top men and ignore the rest. So, when you see women running around thinking all men are CEOs and make 6 and 7 figures, it’s because all men in their worldview fit this description. All other men are rejects and thus do not count.
Apex fallacy: My new girl hit me up with this last weekend. She is nearly my age … over the hill, lol ! But still looks decent; I think. Not overweight.I think she’s cool but that’s me and I admit that I am not the norm. So … she is small breasted. Petite. And doesn’t dress up. No dresses. No high heels. No nylons. No makeup. Jeans/Pony Tail. Which is perfectly fine by me … but for the 99% of other men ??? Ha … no. So … she just got out of a long marriage … 27 years. Spent a couple of years sorting it out. And now with me. She’s had 2 sex partners in the last 30 years.
So she hits me up last weekend with … I can have any guy I want. Sex ? No problem … I could go into any bar and make “moon eyes” at a guy and get him to go home with me. This from a girl who has has sex with 2 different males in the last 30 yrs. And has NEVER asked a guy out in her entire life and she’s pushing 50.
Apex Fallacy .. woman has a vagina, used to be considered hot at one point in her life, still thinks she can walk into a bar and walk out with a TALL, DARK, HANDSOME, RICH, STRANGER … just because ….
Mega,
I have heard something similar to that myself from another. There is no arguing with it. It is very much a threat and it is along the lines of “dread game”. She just told you that you can be replaced sexually within an hour and a little longer relationally.
Yeah Fuzzie, I get where you are coming from. But I did take the Red Pill and not the Blue one so … I don’t buy her self delusions, lies, and bullshit. As I said she has had 2 sexual partners in the last 30 years … WHICH IS A GOOD THING. But also means she is in-experienced. She thinks she could walk into any bar and walk out with a hot guy. I don’t think she has the balls to ever do it. And if she did, I don’t think she’d get the results she thinks she’d get.
Maybe that’s a redefinition of APEX FALLACY. At one point in your life you were considered HOT … 30 yrs later … NOT SO MUCH.
Plus mega, the whole hooking up w some guy from a bar is overrated at any age. Not really an accomplishment not the measure of “hotness” that gals are led to believe. She should be glad she’s avoided that whole empty scene, IMHO. She’s not missing anything! Truly. Blech… Maybe remind her herpes lasts forever and it’s 1 in 5 odds, likely higher in the bar hook up crowd. Not to mention genital warts. ewww. Condoms also do not protect 100% in either case. There’s still some skin on skin contact possible…
Just say no to bar hook ups! Tell her rpg says so! 😉
Also, why is she saying this to you? What’s she trying to achieve here? Dread doesn’t work on men, she’s projecting. Perhaps if she says it again say something like, “hey sounds fun! Let’s BOTH go pick up people at the bar!!! Or I have an even better idea, why don’t we go to the bar and you can pick up chicks for us to take home, hot stuff!”
Yeesh!
What is important is that she believes it. Whether it is true or not is beside the point.
Women are so obsessed about having a glamorous, high paid, elite, “at command” job, and being the centre of attention, that they should seriously considering becoming luxury escorts. If they are attractive enough.
Many say that housewives are just a 50s or a thing of the past and that no woman should basically take on an ‘obsolete’ role.
Which basically just rules out all the discriminated women out there who are homemakers and discrediting all their work in society on the basis of $$$.
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Well, this girl, Amana Miller, is a Spanish pornstar, she works worldwide, she is a media star in Spain and she plays the “intellectual” (kind of Sasha Grey), and she is empowered and a feminist. Millions of Spanish female teenagers want to be like her.
This is the future glamour job for young females, not catwalk model.
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Iberian,
If you say that she is good looking, I’ll believe you. However, if this is what Spanish girls are ambitious to do, I think men should cross them off the list.
My lady friend – – at over 50 years old – – tried this reverse-dread game BS on me a few years ago. She pushed for the relationship to “move forward” despite my clear, unwavering dedication to remaining forever unmarried. So she decided to date other guys and we parted. It took her a whole four months to send me an e-mail asking if we could get back together under the old terms. Oh yes, I made her pay dearly as the cost of returning.
Later, obliquely referring to her dating experiences, she lamented: “Women are invisible after age 50.”
I managed not to laugh.
They won´t have any problem for getting married at 30 with a rich guy. Believe me.
In the past (talking about the 1920s) being a female movie star was considered hookerish. Then, in the 50s, movie stars started to marry millionaires, aristocrats, etc.
It is the same.
@Iberian I hope pornstar does NOT become the new glamour job
Porn star? If I was going to spend some time watching porn, the girls would look better then that.
Other guys think differently. To each his own.
@RPG … agree with you which I mostly do.
“Also, why is she saying this to you? What’s she trying to achieve here? Dread doesn’t work on men, she’s projecting.”
Was kinda funny actually, she brought up … “If you were to go into a bar … I’m sure you could pick up any girl you wanted too …”. Kind of a complement in a backhanded way.
What she doesn’t understand yet is that I have ZERO interest in doing that. I’d rather pay for an escort or a whore. Don’t want to sell my soul just to get sex. My honor is way more valuable than that. I will put out cash for sex; cash means nothing to me. Roosh said it best awhile back … MEN MUST ACT LIKE A CLOWN THESE DAYS TO GET PUSSY. So, sorry … I won’t act like a Clown. I’m not a clown. And won’t dance and sing and do tricks to entertain women … just so I can get access to get pussy. Just won’t do that. Nope. Nadda. Never.
And I did kinda drop the bomb on her … I brought up “Dating” and how it has changed. Cause she brought up … how one of her friends told her how HAPPY SHE WOULD BE NOW THAT SHE IS DIVORCED !!! That’s complete bullshit and told her so. Told her women always lie to other women. What her friend said was a lie and women over 50 almost always end up alone. Forever. “You want to spend the next 20-40 yrs of your life alone?” She tried to counter with “I’m ok with that, I don’t need a man” and “I knew the situation when I got divorced”. And then tried to make the claim that its the same for men. So I shut her down pretty hard. Told her my last girlfriend was 11 yrs younger than me (true) and the one before that was 8 yrs younger (also true). I got options. SHE DOESN”T.
But I wasn’t mean or a dick about it. She’s actually pretty cool and I like her a ton. But, yeah, she’s got a V and has been brainwashed to believe that means she gets to make the rules. TILL SHE FINDS OUT THAT THE UNIVERSE DOESN”T CARE ABOUT THE RULES SHE MAKES UP TO FAVOR HERSELF. NOPE, the universe doesn’t care. It just is. Reality is … what it is. There is a wall. Its harsh and ugly and hard. And when it slams you in the face … it fucking hurts !!! You can lie and manipulate and deceive … lie to yourself … THERE IS NO WALL !!! But the next time you look in mirror … THE WALL jumps out and kicks you in the teeth !!!! Its real and it ain’t going away.
@Shark:
Yes, women are invisible after 50. True, dat. Hope it doesn’t come to that between me and my girl … I think she has enough smarts to figure it out. Though if it only took 4 months … sounds like your girl was a pretty smart cookie too. How’d it work out ?
@ Mega, discussions of “the wall” are just not happening outside of the manosphere. So your friend’s view truly is more representative of the average female in America. Disinformed? Misinformed? I know I had never heard of “the wall” before the manosphere!
RPG, I’ve been thinking of this a lot lately. I truly believe that most women these days are mentally ill. Completely delusional. Trump winning was a perfect example … most women could not even conceive that Hillary wouldn’t win. She’s got a V and our entire society FAVORS WOMEN … HOW COULD SHE NOT WIN !!!! And they still think that and are still in total denial.
And we’ve heard lots of stats on mental illness … like how nearly 50% of divorced middle aged women are on anti-depressants. My experience is … ITS TRUE !!! Women today are really, really fucked up in the head !!!
So here is the deal. The WALL exists. Doesn’t matter if women think it does or think it doesn’t. That doesn’t matter at all. What matters is this: AT SOME POINT AFTER A WOMAN REACHES MIDDLE AGE. Usually somewhere between their early 40s and 50. The shitty attitude and the man-hate boils over to the point that they treat men like shit. The entitlement and the MY-KIDS-COME-FIRST attitude. And they think that being broke and having to work is a MAN”S FAULT. NOT MY FAULT THAT I”M 48 URS OLD AND BROKE AND STARTING OVER WITH NOTHING !!! NOT MY FAULT MY KID IS IN JAIL AND THE OTHER IS STILL LIVING AT HOME AND STILL IN SCHOOL AT AGE 28 AND HAS $36,000 IN STUDENT LOANS AND IS HOPING TO GET A JOB AS A WAITRESS. NOT MY FAULT AT ALL !!!!
And then there is how a middle aged woman clenches her pussy shut. CLAMPS IT SHUT. When she was 21 and a guy was cool and bought her a drink … he’d get a shot at sex. AT AGE 50 … you better be TALL, GOOD LOOKING, EDUCATED, JOB, CAREER, BIG DICK, RIDE A HARELY, FLY A PLANE, BE A BILLIONAIRE AND THEN KISS HER ASS FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AND THEN FIX HER SHIT AND PAY FOR HER SHIT TOO … if you want sex.
Yep … at some point a woman transitions from a hot, sexy, loving thing … INTO A MAN HATING CUNT. Its called the WALL. And it ain’t all about wrinkles and saggy boobs. A warm smile and a loving attitude can make those evaporate. Its more about the hate. The man-hate. About how her life should have turned out just the way she wanted it to; and didn’t. The way other women told her it would be. CAUSE SHE IS MENTALLY ILL AND DOESN”T REALIZE THAT OTHER WOMEN HAVE LIED TO HER. Feminism is a LIE.There is no free lunch. You don’t get it all. The universe doesn’t owe you anything for having a vagina. Men don’t owe you anything. Men aren’t going to line up and give you what you want. Just because. NOPE. Ain’t happening. Not anymore.
So the wall is harsh to these brainwashed cunts. They truly believe in THE ONE, THEIR SOULMATE, MR PERFECT, TALL-DARK-HANDSOME … they left a slipper so Mr Wonderful is going to show up an and make their life perfect !!! Doesn’t matter that she is 42 urs old and weighs 300 lbs. They still believe it. They are owed it. They are entitled to it.
AND WHEN HE DOESN”T SHOW UP … AFTER YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS OF WAITING AND TURNING DOWN HUNDREDS OF NICE GUYS … they eventually realize HE WON”T. HE AIN”T SHOWING UP !!! THEY WERE LIED TO. AND THEY WERE SO STUPID …. THAT THEY BELIEVED IT. MR WONDERFUL … AIN”T SHOWING UP … AND NOW THEY ARE PISSED.
So … they morph into MAN-HATING CUNTS and they hit the WALL.Yep. That is the wall. THE … WALL !!!! The wall where a woman becomes invisible. Her pussy no longer exists. Men walk right by her … like she doesn’t exist. MEN DON”T CARE ANYMORE !!! YOU COULD OFFER YOUR PUSSY TO THEM AND THEY WOULDN”T EVEN WANT IT AND THAT JUST PISSES THEM OFF ALL THE MORE !!!
Know what I’ve learned in taking the Red Pill ? And maybe I’ve become a little bit of an asshole … but what I’ve learned is … I DO NOT GIVE A SHIT. When a woman hits the wall … all I say is welcome to reality. Its what 90% of men know for their entire lives.
Read that sentence again.
SO FUCK YOU … ALL YOU SPECIAL SNOWFLAKES … WELCOME TO BECOMING ONE OF US !!! NO MORE SPECIAL PRIVILEGES. YOUR PUSSY EARNS YOU NOTHING !!! YEAH YOU STUPID CUNT … YOU REALIZE AT AGE 48 THAT IF YOU WANT TO GET PAID THE SAME AS A MAN … YOU HAVE TO WORK THE SAME AS A MAN. NO MORE FREE RIDE !!!
HARSH FUCKING LESSON …AIN”T IT ? WELCOME TO THE WALL … YOUR PUSSY GETS YOU NOTHING, SAME AS MY DICK DOES.
This post ought to be a sticky somewhere. M3 … you still alive ?
@ Mega
The Wall, indeed, exists. But it is at 50. Not a 30 like the manosphere says.
Middle aged women are so hot and they know it. They can have all the young men they like.
When they hit 50 usually, at least in this side of the world, they become like “good girls” (at last!) slowing down their non-stop CC. Then, they start going to the church and cultivating the friendship of younger priests. They have tea and biscuits with the priest and they talk gossip, like two elderly ladies.
@ RPGirl
I am afraid already is.
Not judgmental here. For me it is OK.
Wow Mega, and you guys aren’t just lining up for that deal? (Dry humor.)
Yeah, I know a gal headed straight for it at 90 mph and she has nooooo idea…
I have probably hit the wall, perhaps, or darn near, (meh, ’tis life!) but I try to be presentable and have a cheerful attitude and a smile most of the time and indeed it does help!
Sadly, at least in American culture, there is this obsession (and denial) that the maiden stage last forever. It does not. I think it is far better for a woman to move w/ grace thru the seasons of life rather than try to desperately cling to being “in” and looking like a 40+ year old fool wearing the same clothes as a teenager and indulging to the delusion that she will be forever young… Even more pathetic is the same gal who is a cougar on the prowl, thinking just because she can take a much younger guy home at the end of the night for a P and D she’s “still got it!” (Ick!)
More on “The Wall” for those who missed this oldie but goodie!
https://notesfromaredpillgirl.com/2015/09/08/the-wall-gets-us-all/
After reading Mega’s comment, I get the feeling that men are a little pissed. Women have no idea how deep this goes because they have no idea how much damage they have done.
So true, Fuzzie. Many women would read Mega’s comment and just think “bitter etc.” but really, I can see how many women have not considered how men may view all this. The wise will ponder his message, not just react. Men have feelings, too!
I understand the anger over the extreme entitlement that some women have. What I don’t understand is when guys get so angry when women aren’t putting out. Weren’t we women NOT supposed to be riding the cock carousel? (I’m not talking about a woman being a “tease,” I’m talking about her reticence to have sex with a guy just because he’s interested in her.)
Women these days get such mixed messages. Men angry at them for not putting out, and men angry if they do put out. If he’s interested in her and she rejects him, that makes her a b-tch. If he’s interested in her and she is friendly but doesn’t want to date him or have sex with him, she’s a b-tch. I understand that rejection is always painful, but LOL I can’t keep up with the conflicting messages!
We don’t owe anything to each other, of that we can agree. Men don’t owe women something by virtue of them being women. On the flip side, a woman doesn’t owe a guy sex just because she has a vagina and he wants access to it. What a mixed up world we live in.
Sue,
Men angry at them for not putting out, and men angry if they do put out. If he’s interested in her and she rejects him, that makes her a b-tch. If he’s interested in her and she is friendly but doesn’t want to date him or have sex with him, she’s a b-tch.
Men like this are acting like entitled women. They are emulating what they see modern women do and say. In other words they are practicing how to be immature teens.
IMO a grown man will accept all women for who they are. If the woman is on the CC then fair game. If they are waiting then Mr. right then let them wait. To try and change a woman for his own desire is not accepting reality.
@ RPGal
I see your blondine housewife pic and you are pretty hot.
@Sue
You are so right. CC riders are a bless for men. I only can say good things about CC riders. Does it mean you always succeed with CC riders? Of course not. CC riders are not “easy”. Whoever said “sluts = easy” had no clue. You can´t always get what you want, but if you try sometimes… you get what you need.
@ Sue
Well, one thing is true: sluts used to be more naive, sweet, smiley, kind, and warm back in the 80s and 90s.
It seems sluts have become entitled and bitchy resting faced.
Even if you look at pornstars… back in the old days we had smily cheerful sparky pornstars like Ginger Lynn. Now we have long faced pornstars like Amarna Miller.
I do not like the new generation of sluts.
Sluts are for fun not for conflict.
@ goFigure
You are bloody well right. So many beta suckers in Spain who marry bad girls (and they know they are) and they try to change them into domestic creatures. Of course they fail and they get cuckolded and divorced. And then they complain.
If you are lucky enough to be with a bad girl just let her be.
Lol Iberian, that’s not ACTUALLY me, but despite being mid-40s I still get looks, so while I am not what I was at 22, I am still for my age holding my own better than most! 😉
Not you? Ohhh
But sure you are alike. 🙂
Mid 40s myself, too.
wouldn’t it be an apex fallacy to claim “women believe they can have it all!” when, in reality, a minority of women purport that idea? most women just live their lives.