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Regular commenter Fuzzie got me thinking when he said:
“Something about what Ame said bothered me and I can’t get to the bottom of it. One thing that has bubbled to the surface is that men are in no position to control or affect what goes on in a woman’s head. That goes further to explain why Angelina Jolie could dump Brad Pitt than red pill wisdom.”
I am not much of a pop culture person, but it’s hard to ignore when the latest is continually on the cover of tabloids as I stand in line at the grocery store.
First off, let’s look at the body language:
In the photo with Jennifer, it’s clear who runs the show, and her emotions. He’s the one being adored, she’s doing the adoring. I bet she’s thinking, “Wow, I am the luckiest girl alive!” Note his devilish, “You know it!” demeanor. Alpha.
Now look at the image with Angelina. Who holds the cards here? She’s the eternal standoffish ice princess, and he looks worried and drained, somehow not pleasing her right or enough. See how his body language has transformed? Fear of loss. Beta.
Now these are just two photos but if one was to do a Google search, they are pretty representative.
At the time Brad and Angelina denied an affair, but years later they admitted it was hanky panky on the set of the movie, Mr. and Mrs. Smith that started it all. Soon he left Jennifer utterly publicallyly humiliated, and then flaunted his new love. Soul mates, blah, blah, blah.
Then came the kids, in rapid succession. Both adopted and bio, the brood grew quickly and now Brad was in deep.
Angelina said in an interview how when their first bio child was born, a daughter, she couldn’t help but be appalled at her “privilege.” What an odd thing to say? That and the child has had her hair cut and has been dressed as a boy for long before it was likely the child’s choice. Odd.
Brad started to look more and more panicked as the years went on, and I could understand why. Angelina seemed to firmly run that show, Brad a mere appendage.
Their relationship broke many social norms at the time, and singlehandedly likely did more to move disposible commitments and children out of wedlock/babymommaism into the mainstream culture than anything ever had before. And it was all done so boldly, with no shame.
I imagine in time the truth behind the fairy tale love story act will come out. Perhaps in the form of a tell all book by one of the kids. But my guess is it won’t be good.
And despite all the proclamations that this was good progress, social norms best shattered in this modern age, guess what? It failed. Miserably. And with a nasty custody fight, complete with allegations that he was an abusive out of control brute.
It’s a good example of the difference in the relationship dynamics when he runs it versus when she does.
Moral of the story? Never stick your dick in crazy.
What do you think? Please share in the comments!
Lots of money Angelina had.
Still a total mess created she did.
Consider the size of the mess there would be if there was no money
Makes one wonder if “social norms” have a purpose they do
To this: “Moral of the story? Never stick your dick in crazy.” I would add, “unless you have absolutely rock solid Dom game, and even then it’s a risk.”
Angelina not worth the work of maintaining tight game
Better things to do there is
Pitt was way out of the 1st girls league.
Not so with the 2nd girl which explains
the difference in him
The woman had her tits cut off. Think about what that says.
“Moral of the story? Never stick your dick in crazy.”
Amen. That avoids the negative.
To achieve the positive, try to find a sane woman to hang out with. Even if you do not marry her, it is best to have positive female role models instead of the endless DEEST coming out of Hollywood, Washington and New Haven.
Anniston and Jolie are both probably transgendered (originally male). Not so sure about Pitt.
Ian, keen observation there!
Toad, and all her girl parts removed as well. Sure bc of cancer risk, and family history, but…
Brett, good advice!
Steve, I have heard that rumor as well. Perhaps it explains the dressing a girl as a boy thing? I mean maybe she was tomboy-ish, but to jump to the conclusion she wanted to BE a boy is about as insane as thinking just bc a little boy plays w a doll he wants to BE a girl. Nutty all around, IMHO.
If you never stick your dick in crazy a man will never have sex
Pit went full beta. Raising adopted kids and all that other shit is full on beta and he paid the price for it
@ Steve; nice to see someone who travels to similar obscure places on youtube. I’ll just leave this here:
I dropped a comment in the Zeus thread that really belongs here. Some insights into pseudo Alphas in Hollywood. Basically, movie stars are not a model for anything because we deal with them as Movie Stars … among their own many are just pathetic and temperamental girls.
Toad: “The woman had her tits cut off.” Well … I don’t follow these things but I’m guessing we don’t know if we know all the details. She might have saved her own life or she might she may have stampeded herself into that one through fear and a too well developed sense of drama.
That said, I have known a few women who seemed to have been jealous of their own breasts. Mind bending … at least from a guy’s perspective.
And for all this speculation, Brad Pitt remains dumped. I think we need something a little better than what we call the Red Pill to explain it. Men who would be good fathers and husbands are getting dumped every day, and there is nothing wrong with them. Yet, this community comes back with calls for them to do more. I don’t think the fault is with them. Having them do more is just going to run into the wall of diminishing returns.
@ fuzzie, I think you are overlooking y repeated point which is had he stayed married to his first wife and not cheated on her and left her he would not be in this mess. He’d likely have beautiful children with a wife who never would have left. He is responsible for that choice, above and beuond whatever tole Angelina played, and he is paying the price for thinking he could have his cake and eat it too. I don’t see how you can say he’s the victim here, or at least not the innocent helpless victim. He played with fire, he got burned. The old ways weren’t perfect but they worked better than this fad today of treating marriage as little more than going steady. IMHO. It should be seen as a warning.
Thanks RPG.
Nice to see open minded people on here.
My belief is that most big celeb relationships
are fake.
I dont take any interest in tv or celebs but
Years ago when i saw Pitt with that Jennifer
girl i knew that just wasnt plausible.
The Pitt -Jolie story is also so fake its laughable. Totally unrealistic. Even though on looks they are more plausible couple.
RPG,
If this is revenge for his dumping Jennifer, where is Angelina’s comuppence? Not in this plane of existence or any other. Still, the take away for men is that even Brad Pitt can get dumped. 10/10 SMV is no proof against it. Men have no defense and the Red Pill is debunked.
@ fuzzie if rumors she did a deal w the devil in exchange for what she has today, perhaps her comeuppance will be eternal? Who knows.
In the end he broke his vows, she was single at the time. Not that it makes her blameless by any means.
And as some say, maybe the whole thing was a sham just to sell tabloids and boost their personal brands?
I do feel for the kids and if I were him the thought of cops renting post divorce w her would be the worst part of all… He’s still her bitch for years to come 😦
RPG,
It is amusing that everyone’s go to response is to find fault with Brad. As a society, we have turned ourselves into pretzels to allow for women to avoid responsibility. This keeps coming up and it is to be found everywhere. Still the best defense for men is to avoid LTRs like poison.
Bear: “10/10 SMV is no proof against it. Men have no defense and the Red Pill is debunked.”
SMV isn’t going to dig anyone out of a bad choice. Taking the Red Pill, for all I’m suspicious of many details taken as gospel, is supposed to be the pill that allows you to see reality. I respect you point of view, but I also have to say that the arrogance of a narcissist making narcissistic choices isn’t very Red Pill. You have a better capacity to make decisions than most people in his position. You are more in control of your life. In real life and taken over a string of years, you are probably more of a real man, in the sense of having actual patriarchial gravitas, than most actors. Seriously, check out my post on the other thread.
It’s a completely ridiculous lifestyle and you only find a certain kind of person selling it to themselves. In reality Ian isn’t right about most celebrity relationships being fake (though some, mostly in the past, have been) but he’s right in that too many of them are based on imaginary and idiotic criteria, like the fact that couples fall in love with the idea of how they look together or the idea that they would somehow be something even more special if they were married. As an actor most of what you do is con yourself into believing impossible things … it doesn’t stop when they step off the set.
I don’t know them personally or much about their relationship, so I can’t really judge that. But celebs do have about an 80% divorce rate regardless. I don’t know why they even bother sometimes.
Ash: “But celebs do have about an 80% divorce rate regardless. I don’t know why they even bother sometimes.”
You also can’t do the job without boundless (though often horribly fragile) optimism. There’s a real Manic/Depressive aspect.
I spent half my professional life dealing with actors as a small time writer and producer and before that a bunch of lesser jobs. My mother was a minor actress who was smart enough to quit when she got married. My grandmother was a slightly less minor actress who was smart enough to quit when she got married … both married driven yet well balanced men who did not work in Hollywood, were somewhat older and who unquestionably knew who they were.
When in full ACTOR mode some performers can be great but when they gain significant celebrity then all bets are off. Imagine some one twitching from random electrical shocks, not all of them unpleasant. It’s not all awful but you’re not in control. It takes a person who actually LIKES that existence.
AlanKardec: The relationships are usually fake and are money spinners. They are also sometimes used as social engineering tools.
Eg. Promoting mixed race relationships or normalising multiple marriages or adopting
Children of another race.
Not long ago these things were fround upon.
Many people in the sphere are annoyed at the massive societal change that has happened in he last 100 years, but are not prepared to look and see the role celebs play.
Another example? The kardashian man pretending to transform into a women. Hes just acting. Trying to normalise s ex changing.
Fuzzie bear; i think we men must take full responsibility for the decline of society.
We have allowed our women to be poisioned with feminism and mass media propaganda as well as allowing them to be sluts.
A new post at Spawny’s there is
https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2017/06/27/dont-be-so-feminist/
Alan,
When I heard about this for the first time, my hear just sank into my gut. If there is no hope for him to keep his marriage together, what about us? Some thing inside me broke.
I do agree that sometimes celebs are either wittingly or unwittingly used to advance social agendas. And perhaps so for before any of us were born. Thing is these agendas may stick overall but on an individual level they seem to fail for the most part. Even and maybe especially so for celebs.
The older I get the more I see the old ways, while not perfect, worked and were likely fine tuned over millennia. There is no 100% upside social change, it’s always at least 50/50 good and bad or actually even worse odds.
As update says, people without their resources then follow and the results are…. Not good. Not easy. Often disastrously worse so the cushion of money.
It would be very weird to be famous I would think. Even more weird to be famous then not so much. And realistically that is more likely the put I e than not if one doesn’t meet some disastrous fate in their prime… Not good.
Men have no defense and the Red Pill is debunked.
Probably the time and refined specialized skill Brad had not.
Hold that against him I will not
We have allowed our women to be poisioned with feminism and mass media propaganda as well as allowing them to be sluts.
Sluts they are
Their children pay the price they do
Ian,
“Fuzzie bear; i think we men must take full responsibility for the decline of society.
We have allowed our women to be poisioned with feminism and mass media propaganda as well as allowing them to be sluts.”
In a word, no. Women chose to embrace feminism and become sluts. I wasn’t asked. What you are demonstrating is how far gynocentrism has gone if I take you at your word.
Just goes to prove the old adage
Having a wife is like having a pool at home, the time you spend inside it is not worth the maintenance costs.
Fuzzie:
Many Men have allowed women to be sluts & abandon their femmine roles without punishing their behaviour..
Speaking generally, there is no need to ask passive men for permission on anything.
Yoda:
Yes the kids pay the price, but they have so few they do.
RPG:
Yes the celebs normalise weird things and some people/ society accept it because they like the celeb.
Ian
This may come as news to you, but women have no respect for male authority anymore. If someone tries to impose it, they will be talking to the police in short order. I have never been a father or a husband, but I am fully aware of this.
Again, in embracing feminism and becoming sluts, women have done it all on their own. They are responsible for the consequences.
I’ll add my 2 cts worth. And I’ll repeat what I’ve said before … most women today … especially middle aged women in the US and the West … ARE MENTALLY ILL. And I’ll just offer the following … SHE CUT HER OWN TITS OFF !!!!!
Now here is how the logic goes … she found out she had a family history of breast cancer … and in order to avoid it in the future … IF IT MAY HAPPEN AT ALL … SHE CUT HER OWN TITS OFF !!!
So lets get this straight. I found out when I was about 8 yrs old … when my grandfather passed away … that nobody lives forever. YUP … that’s right .. everybody dies at some point, of something. So if you didn’t know that … you do now. SO … LETS ALL GO BLOW OUR BRAINS OUT !!!! Just joking and trying to show how stupid that logic is.
Don’t you think someone … like the man in her life would have talked SENSE TO HER. Honey, … if it happens … and hopefully it won’t … we’ll deal with it … BUT YOU DON”T NEED TO CUT YOUR TITS OFF TODAY !!!! And how about other women ? Think anyone talked sense to her or was it … YOU GO GIRL !!! YOU”RE EMPOWERED !!! CUT YOUR TITS OFF IF YOU WANT TOO !!!
Yep. One of the most beautiful women in the world. Rich. Famous. Powerful. CUTS HER OWN TITS OFF. Either nobody talked sense to her. OR … they did and she was so fucked up in the head … she wouldn’t listen. And who does something like that ? YUP. Somebody mentally ill.
According to Red Pill wisdom, the best course a man can take to secure his marriage is to improve his SMV. If Brad Pitt gets dumped, it does make all that moot.
I do remember what Werner von Braun used to say, “Back to ze drawing board.”
Fuzzie, the way I see it, nobody really wins under this new deal. It only seems easier for women, or alphas, or whatnot, but in reality we all end up with less than under the old deal.. the social contracts that make things work have been broken on almost every level in the past 30+ years, not only between men and women or women and men, but also between employee and employer, govt. and citizen, parents and children, etc. all for the worse, really… it’s not progressive, it’s just sold as progress. What it really is, is a disposable culture. Not good.
And remember fuzzie, according to Han solo’s blog post long ago, it’s the apex alpha setting the rules, followed by the apex females leading the beta females, chased by the betas trying to get along, etc. that set the course. The original influencers of feminism were actually men who wanted to break down social restrictions, who then sold apex females on it… Not to keep blaming men, but *some* men have influenced all this, too…
RPG,
As for the social contract between men and women, women tore up their half. Men still have the responsibility to hold up their end. As for the apex alphas that helped fund feminism, they are all dead now and would not have agreed if they knew that it would wreck civilization.
Re. Brad and Angelina: for those who may not know, they got together around 2005, married in the fall of 2014, divorced in 2016/2017. There is a story there somewhere. After nine years of just living together, what prompted the getting married? To only break up the marriage 12-18 months later?
Only for open minded people:
https://xdisciple1.wordpress.com/2012/04/02/angelina-jolie-and-her-many-characters/
I agree with Master Yoda. Brad’s game wasn’t as tight as one might assume.
He loved Jennifer, she tugged at his heart strings.
He worshiped Jolie, she tugged at his nutsack and ego.
Please explain this.
Making the rounds of the major blogs.
Horseman, It was all over reddit yesterday. She really is a gem, isn’t she?
A fair bit of anger in this thread, but I’ll bite. I get that some people have a lot of charged feelings about this stuff, especially if they’ve been hurt.
Lots of strong opinion in the TRP world about “alpha men” controlling women. I’m not entirely sure I buy it, nor do I really care. Good and virtuous women know that they complement strong men and don’t need to feel like they need to try to overpower them. Case in point, my ex complains about being treated as an “equal” yet offers next to nothing to the family. Hits her “mid-life crisis” and behaves for several years like a teenage girl again until I basically tell her I’ve had enough and that she needs to put an effort into it or get out. I explain to her that people are not equal, but different. This is NOT the same as equal rights, but she still doesn’t get it. Not only will I always make more money, I will also always be stronger, larger, and faster. And it infuriates her and she basically throws a tantrum because that makes me a misogynist for stating a fact. Unless some massive accident occurs that renders me unable to work, I can’t see things changing that would make the comment wrong. Likewise, I’ll never be able to bear children, but I would possibly eventually love to have more.
The real problem is buying into a system that takes away the balance. People throughout history have have always had affairs, and Hollywood was no exception. Only now, it’s tolerated and practically encouraged in the west. As a result, there are little / no negative ramifications (at least early on) for a woman to divorce. As RPG stated, marriage is akin to “going steady”… Until it’s not. If the lawyers and politicians have their way, you will be responsible for alimony just by dating for a few years. When a person doesn’t have a role in their family, their purpose is lost. Brad and Angelina have so much money, with nannies raising their kids. There is no real parenting going on here during the vast majority of their daily lives. You can bet that the dynamic would be different if one of them were staying at home with the kids and the other earns the money in film, but here we have two people essentially performing the same role with no boundaries.
“Never stick your dick in crazy”, you say? All of those ice cold pictures of Angelina kinda remind me of other tragic Hollywood women, like Vivian Leigh, who suffered her whole life with a diagnosed “bipolar disorder”. Very fitting. Pretty sure we’ve all seen Gone with the Wind and other such films. Both played stone, cold, fairy tale women in film and act that way in real life. It’s been said that Angelina was diagnosed with BPD and common misdiagnosis for BPD has often been related bipolar. He probably had wonderful sex early on with a woman that rocked his world. Then he left his wife, then found out the truth. Total fantasy. She shut him down and destroyed him. Sure, it’s his fault, but she seems pretty toxic and every man would be best to not get near her. It’s been said that a BPD woman can utterly destroy even an “alpha” man. Brad is proof of this. He’s looked like total crap for since marrying her. She pretty much chews the guys and spits them out in 2-3 years.
I have been quiet today. Maybe I stirred up too much trouble yesterday. Still, Brad Pitt remains a victim of frivorce and I am beginning to question the wisdom of marrying in a country that has a fifty percent divorce rate. Still that is not as bad as Denmark, a few days ago I heard their rate was seventy percent.
Houston, we have a problem.
Abolish alimony, and this all goes away.
More than that, make custody 50/50 to eliminate child support payments. Too many women are dependent om these to pay the rent while the kid is getting shortchanged. The main point is to make frivorce unprofitable.
Child support laws are getting better. 50/50 parenting time is becoming more normal. It obviously depends upon the state but I’ll be getting the result of new laws that place more responsibility on both parents and drop the amount by hundreds (nearly thousands) of dollars. This basically weeds out the losers that try to take advantage of the system and awards both parents quality time with their kids. Alimony laws, on the other hand, are still crap. Higher earning spouses (typically men) lose out. It’s essentially a replacement for welfare that keeps someone in indentured servitude after frivorce. Had a conversation with my wife about that when we were discussing “equality”. It’s said that 97% of alimony recipients are women. She got pretty pissed when I told her that no real man would take alimony.
There is a lot of resistance to 50/50 parenting. NOW got to the governor of Florida twice to get him to veto it. Everywhere else that I have heard it come up it has been fought against had in spite of popular support. I don’t think that it is about putting shoes on kid’s feet.
Also, to clarify and for those who don’t know this: 50/50 parenting does not necessarily mean no child support, at least not in my state. It’s a common misconception. Child support is often based on a calculation based off the current earnings of each parent, regardless of the time spent w either for visitation or the legal custody status (sole vs joint etc.)
For a child, 50/50 time w each parent can cause hardships in school and personal life. Especially if parents don’t live in very close proximity.
Better option: work out your problems and stay together, whenever possible, would be my advice.
Personal fact: My child support payments are based on a mandated earnings calculation and at least in my case, there is no way it would even cover rent, much less childcare, food, medical, clothes, etc. etc. So any woman who thinks she’ll be able to just “live on child support” is kidding herself! At least in my state.
Guess I’ll weigh in again … but pretty much figure I’m on ignore. Or maybe wordpress has a secret formula where someone posts something and it appears that it posted … but nobody sees it. Given the level of lies and deception going on these days … I’ll believe anything.
That’s said, I’ll match RPG’s “forcing men to pay child support in her state doesn’t mean she’ll be able to pay the bills …. after she stole the kids from the father” with this.
In my state CHILD SUPPORT FOR MEN isn’t even based on what they make. Its base ON WHAT THEY COULD MAKE. So if you are going thru a shitty divorce and get fired, laid off, or lose your job for any reason. Child support is INPUTTED BASED ON WHAT YOU COULD MAKE. And if you can’t get a job … a man is FORCED AT THE POINT OF A GUN TO EITHER COME UP WITH THE CHILD SUPPORT THE COURT HAS DETERMINED YOU SHOULD BE PAYING … OR YOU GO TO JAIL.
And of course … if you don’t have a job and go to JAIL FOR BEING A DEADBEAT DAD … it shows up in the local papers and local TV sites … WITH YOUR PICTURE ON THE FUCKING FRONT PAGE … which pretty much guarantees in the current culture THAT THERE ISN”T AN EMPLOYER ON THE PLANET WHO WILL NOW GIVE YOU A JOB.
In other words … MEN HAVE A GUN TO THEIR FOREHEAD … PAY … OR GO TO JAIL. For kids you can’t see. Kids who’s mother is brainwashing them TO HATE YOUR FUCKING GUTS. But … its PAY OR GO TO JAIL.
Don’t know what la-la land RPG lives in … but that’s how it works around here.
Let me preface this by saying that I am a firm believer in a parent’s duty to support their child, but I do think that some of the laws have been incredibly unjust.
RPG’s child support law is close to the new norm in many states. Most (including mine) are starting to go to an income shares system that is similar to Colorado and other states. The new model takes the recipient’s income into consideration as well, and treats the payer more fairly. I couldn’t believe the difference when my attorney showed me. After the crazy alimony, the old formulas would have the recipient living off of more more than the payer if they had only one child.
In the new system, parenting time / overnights are a factor. And especially in 50/50 cases, both parents then become EQUALLY responsible based upon a chart or multiplier. They use a slightly different multiplier for calculating in cases like this.
The only case where 50/50 would mean no child support is the case where both parents make basically the same income. It happens, more often now than ever, as women are making equal to or more than some men.
Fun fact. I was at the grocery store with my boy today. Picking up some stuff to grill. Saw a tabloid at the checkout that mentioned that “BRAD IS HAPPY TO FINALLY SEE KIDS” or something like that. Thought immediately about this thread. ;P
Mega; Not hatin’, but I’ve never personally seen a man get a gun to his head for child support. Mental note to never move there.
Btw my comments on child support not being a gravy train were aimed at women reading along who may think it so vs. aimed at any of the men here.
Given the bullshit pit let his bitch and get range in I ain’t so sure it is frivolous divorce