In her manosphere, betas get a lot of flack. But should they?
Recently I have gotten to know such a guy, married to a gal I have just started working with. Let’s call him Bob, because he reminds me very much of the cartoon character Bob the Builder.
Bob is not tall, maybe 5’8″. He’s stocky and solidly built, not fat but muscular wo being a bodybuilder type. He’s not bad looking but also not strikingly handsome. He’s a good solid average guy.
Bob has a high energy level and runs the maintenance dept. for a large construction firm. Because he likes to be working, moving, and doing he says his recent promotion to lead guy is kind of a drag because now he’s the one scheduling the work instead of doing the work. But Bob goes along, and channels his energy into after work and weekend projects, plus lots of site visits during the week to get out of the cube.
Recently I had a big event going on, and there was lots to get done to be ready. Bob’s wife was going to be there, so Bob just started coming along to support his wife’s new venture. He’s such a rock for her, ready and waiting to help her shine.
Well that wasn’t enough to keep Bob occupied, so all on his own he started looking around my place and finding stuff to do. Day after day there was Bob, smiling and happily mowing, weed wacking, pulling weeds, building and fixing stuff, organizing tools, etc. He never asked for any pay, and refused it when I offered. He just liked to be busy and to help, he said. And be there for his wife.
There he was, Like clockwork, not asking for anything but happily giving his time and energy to make sure things went smoothly, we were ready, and things were a success. And thanks in large part to him, it did, we were and and it was.
Guys like Bob may not be chick magnets, and I bet Bob would be flabbergasted if a woman did try to hit on him, nor can I imagine him cheating on his wife, but guys like Bob make great husbands and mates. They really are the unsung, under appreciated heros of a world that works and hums along, lights on and water running.
Ladies, a wise woman does not overlook a guy like Bob as a life mate. He may not be Alpha man of the group, but with appreciation and encouragement, he makes a fine Alpha for his gal. She will never lack for anything and he’ll be there ready and waiting to make sure their world is functioning smoothly, with a smile of quiet satisfaction for a job well done on his face.
Let those with ears hear.
Notes From a Red Pill Girl 
Ton: Hybrid vigor has been routinely disproven
I have no information on that, but this study, again going on memory, was within two separate church communities of people like RPGs “Nordics.” So the girls were from one community and the boys from another community but exactly the same racial background. That was an important control in the experiment.
David Foster is also right in that is has always been assumed that the difference in what the women smelled was the key to keeping stock genetically diverse and therefore healthy but, at least in this case, not going outside the general gene pool of the “Nordics” or whatever they are. As I understand it these people, who have insular communities in a number of places in the mid west and Canada have been used to test a number of genetic theories because they have remained so ethnically pure.
“Know what sucks?
Realizing that everything you believed in is complete and utter bullshit.”
This is why once awakened, a Red Pill Man will never be anything but mgtow or a variation. Never truly trusting, never truly caring, never revealing himself.
Because he KNOWS in the core of his being Love is an act, an illusion, an emotional means to an ends. And so never rewarded for his efforts, not really.
So as Deti points out, why are we bothering to discuss it. Guys get it, women never will.
Why Bother?
(And notice how casually she drops the nuclear rejection on him. A kind person wouldn’t have said anything. She just destroys him and smiles away)
Why Bother Anymore?
Horseman,
That does put things in perspective.
Reverse the sexes in the Bob story — business owner is male, he has a male employee, the male employee’s wife (who is a middle manager in a big company) — just comes over to hang out and help out. For fun, you know. You know, fold the underwear, clean the toilets, scrub some pots and pans. Just to be neighborly. And all the womenz be going, “Eeek, what’s her problem, she’s a freak!” And those womenz would positively incinerate the male business owner for letting the wife play house with him.
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Deti, I think more men understand female behavior better than includes two more attributes: men pay the majority of the price for post-second feminism, so they uniquely have economic and emotional skin in the game; women will never admit this because they don’t *want* to have that skin in that game, and they don’t want to be on the hook for making changes. Also, men are better able to say, “Man I was stupid …” and go on from there.
Alan, you went on at length about movie stars but then said you had not actually observed them. I’m curious what your comments based on.
Never truly trusting, never truly caring, never revealing himself.
……..
And that shit keeps em damp in the pants
This community of nordics is starting to have genetic issues bc of their everyone is a first, second, third cousin status. Bc of that they are now reaching back to the old country and to their other communities around the country for matches. Their community is based more on faith than genetics, they just happen to be Nordic, is my understanding…it’s more about being that faith than being Nordic to be “in group.”
Revealing oneself, and showing any emotion, is sure to make her run. Women cannot handle / be attracted to a man like this, in spite of how many lie and claim to want a “sensitive man”. She only wants you to listen to her, because she needs that support but cannot offer it.
This is why men need to confide in other men. Biggest mistake I ever made in my marriage was in assuming that my wife was the only person that I needed. That’s a great way to isolate oneself, but too many men do it; Work every day and then come home to family. Don’t do it, even if she hates your friends (because you aren’t giving her 100% of your time). It’s imperative that you develop a quality network outside of your marriage, because they will be there even when she is not. My longest friends were there before her, and always will be, because she cannot know honor and commitment, or real friendship or love. These are intently male traits / emotions.
Why do we talk about it here among the opposite sex? I think that there is value in both the male and female perspective. A woman who knows her true nature might be of more value than one who does not. She might be able to raise her children correctly, preventing then from making common mistakes. She might be able to see the value in a good man, or raising a family with traditional values. She might appreciate the things that make a man masculine, and woman feminine, rejecting the lies that claim otherwise. She might better understand the nature of her man. She might be instrumental in sharing this with other women. RP men need to look beyond sexual strategy. As others have said, there is incredible value in physical, mental self improvement, and the ability to handle any task at hand. What about cultural improvement? Do we gain anything by letting BP initiative rule? Not at all, unless you feel that manipulating the system for personal sexual gain is more beneficial than keeping society in check. I do not. I’d rather have my son, and his sons, grow up in a world without the chaos of today. I’d rather master my life to achieve my greatest potential. RP women are important for the same reasons that the feminists and SJWs have the white knight cucks. They are necessary to perpetuate their sick initiatives. Otherwise you’ve got a lot of single mothers who BP their sons from birth, turning them into Marxist zombies. You know where all of those ANTIFA gangs come from, right?
RP means different things to different people, but I think that it’s a waste to limit it to discussion of sex and relationships. It all falls down with a domino effect into every aspect of our lives.
I have no doubt discovering the rp has made me a better person, partner, mother, and woman. Absolutely. I was as clueless as anyone else before, and just as lost. Thanks to the rp I have been able to advise countless women irl how to improve their marriages and relationships. It absolutely has value, imho.
Also there are plenty of all male spaces to discuss the rp. But few where mixed company can do so. One reason I started this blog was bc there were too few places for women to get rp information. I hope it’s helping people and helping make the world a better place. At least I am trying, no?
@ A Dad:
“RP women are important for the same reasons”
Not really. RP women are just women. I’ve known so many alleged “RP women”. All of them, every single one of them, are Team Woman when it gets down to nut-cuttin’ time. Every single one of them revert back to Team Woman, to the herd, to the “pwotect me I am just a lil’ ol’ girl! Don’t hit me, I’m a girl! Protect the sluts! Man up and marry the sluts! You are all just mean cruel horndogs who just want to get your dicks wet!”
I won’t name names here, but we all know who they are. Every one of them takes shelter in Team Woman. The married women do it, the single women do it, the prudes do it, the sluts do it. The RP women who used to post around the manosphere did it and still do it. The RP women who post currently, including the host and every solitary one of the female commenters here and at Spawny’s, past and present, did it and do it.
They’re just women. When you get all the way down to it, they’re not on our side. They’re not on the side of “men”. Women know only two sides: Team Woman, and Team Her Man. And even when there’s a “Her Man”, she’ll many times side with Team Woman against Team Her Man. My own wife has done this to me, many times. When she does, I just smile inside.
Because I know. I know now.
Ladies, including RP women:
If you have a chance to cheat and not get caught, you will. Right man, right time, right circumstances, low risk of detection = cheating. The only things that keep you from cheating are that those four factors don’t line up except once in a great while. And even if they line up and you don’t cheat, you seriously considered it, and that to me is pretty much the same thing, because your thoughts, attention, and hearts were away from your man.
What’s always on your minds is what you can extract from the men in your lives. Money, resources, time, labor, attention, validation, whatever – it’s all about how you can use men and what you can get out of them. All that “love” is, is a decision to stay with a man for prolonged resource extraction in exchange for ever-decreasing amounts of sex and services.
That’s why men have to take the positions they take with you. That’s why men have to immediately start withdrawing attention, time, money and resources, and start controlling money outlays. That’s why women call budgeting, ignoring them, and withdrawing attention “abuse”. That’s why men have to say “no more”.
@deti, I worry about you sometimes. You seem extremely unhappy. I hope you aren’t.
Again the fundamental difference between Alpha/Beta is frame.
How they approach their relationships will be a good first outward clue. To even think that an male is Alpha based on chasing women is playing to the idea that men are seeking validation. Men don’t. Betas do. They seek it in the things they do and say. How they act.
Women will always seek a beta. Always. While an Alpha is what they want they need the beta qualities to ensure security in a relationship. Men being the gatekeepers of time/commitment (aka relationships) must decide when and how to use these qualities while not giving over to them. Chore play is defined as doing an act expecting validation. It is not necessarily the act itself…..and I stress necessarily. A man’s frame MUST be strong. If a man wants to do something then do it. Expect nothing of it. Eventually it will come to pass that you won’t to because doing something is no longer of value to you. Problem is men don’t know how to stop investing in failed options.
Women will seek a beta. Period. All women shit test, or Fitness test. It’s a fact. They want to know that the man they have is worthy. Is indeed alpha. They will kick the tires, scratch the paint, they will test an alpha. How long that alpha lasts is up to his frame. Sex, women, all these are results of his hardwork in himself.
Men want women in their lives. But women need men. Women can get sex any time place they want. Even betas get laid, it may not be the sex they want or with whom they want…but laid is laid. Betas will take what they can. Alphas won’t just sleep with any one that comes along. Women are the gatekeepers of sex, they just have to be available. Yet women cannot get a quality relationship any time they want. A man has to decide he wants its. Not that he needs it.
The dynamic goes further as one considers the work a man must put into himself in order to have a quality woman. In order to create the quality relationship. I will end with this final note. From this is appears that a man must maintain the relationship. This is incorrect. The woman maintains the relationship. She must keep the man interested just as the man must be attractive. If he isn’t then women won’t want to fuck him. Therefore a woman must be someone that is great relationship material otherwise no man will want to be near her.
Bloom: I’m not unhappy. I’m just realistic.
You and Sue still buy into the fantasy of your Nordic church, that it’s common. I don’t believe in the fundamental goodness of the women there, nor in the belief that most of them aren’t having premarital sex. The odds are they are having premarital sex. You just don’t know it because they, like most women, are exceedingly good at fronting.
Another difference between men and women:
Men speak facts and truth in stark, unflinching terms, which women read as “unhappiness”. Men read it as “just another day on earth”.
@ Deti, I agree the women in that church are women, just like any women. If they had the opportunity to have no consequence premarital sex would they? Probably some would and have. But if one truly believes in God, that is a reason not to. It’s not about people catching you, it’s about doing the right thing bc it’s the right thing to do. There is no consequence free sin.
My babysitter, now she is exceptionally self disciplined etc. so I am not saying all are like her, but she was a visibly changed woman the day she showed up after her wedding. Covered in hickeys, mind you. Her husband bragged he was going to get her pregnant on their wedding night! I don’t think it was an act. For some it may be, but in her case anyway I fully believe she was a virgin bride.
It’s the cynicism I was talking about. And you are right in most cases it is deserved. Maybe I am wrong to hope people could and might get it?
Nothing Deti says is untrue or exaggerated. Let’s first shame such talk as “mean” (“that didn’t take long”) and then let’s condescend and patronize (“you sound unhappy”).
Otherwise we have to contend with the reality that what he writes is neither untrue nor exaggerated, and we would have to confront the fact the feminine-primary society has created a divorced male suicide rate 11x higher than that for women. It took only 30 years to destroy a family structure 1000’s of years old, and men didn’t do that.
Another difference between men and women:
Men speak facts and truth in stark, unflinching terms, which women read as “unhappiness”. Men read it as “just another day on earth”.
This.
Bloom you are trying so props.
But like Deti I see the unflinching truth.
It actually makes me content. I can predict outcomes a mile away and adjust accordingly without effort. Leads to less drama.
Even here you instinctively fell back to what you are. Deti makes a intellectual, neutral statement, you automatically “read” emotion into it. The guys got Deti, you didn’t.
Its not bad, just what you are.
[Insert current feminist (cf. Amanda Marcotte) critique of “fragile masculinity” here. Because men would get with the program and do choreplay if they just weren’t so retrograde, wimpy, and fragile in the face of their new masters.]
“It took only 30 years to destroy a family structure 1000’s of years old, and men didn’t do that.”
At bottom, that was because men allowed women to do it. Women and alpha men came up with feminism, the society wide shit test, and we as a society failed. And western society failed that test because Western-style Lockean democracy tends toward maximum individual freedom/liberty at the expense of the societal ties that bind, at the expense of others. Because there is no greater cause, no more important concept, than that of individual liberty, and the individual, under Western-style democracy.
The Founders said the Constitution was designed only to govern a “moral” people (read: White European Christians), and was “wholly unsuited to the governance of any other”. And they were right. And because of Lockean thought, we were doomed to be right where we find ourselves. We’ve squandered what we were given. We’ve killed the geese with the golden eggs. And we’re going to pay for it. Oh holy shit, are we going to pay.
huh?
RPG,
I should have said this a lot earlier, thank you for writing something supportive of betas. I am sorry that you got brigaded.
You guys are completely ignoring the fact that it’s not an “us” vs “them” situation. That’s exactly what got us here. Mind you, I’m no sympathizer to the things that you talk about. I’ve got my own problems with the way that the laws treat gender differences. Trust me. I’ve got alimony payments to an utterly worthless woman who deserves nothing – and I’m luckier than most. I know what it’s all about. l’ve experienced the lies, firsthand. But I’m cool with that now, because I know the truth and it doesn’t break me.
However, I’m not so delusional that I’ve determined that I can completely omit women from my life entirely. I just don’t build my life around them. An RP woman is just a woman, as an RP man is just a man. I’d wager that 3/4 of the self proclaimed “alphas” of the manosphere are laughable dweebs that project a false image to try to impress and compensate for their low self esteem and lack of success. I’m not exactly seeing real winners out there in the real world. That’s the real nature of humanity; 80% or more just get by on the accomplishments of those who are superior, or the remainder are simply driven to succeed at everything.
If you were aware of female nature, you should certainly expect that they all are on “Team Woman” or “Team My Man” when it benefits them. None of us are surprised by that. Maybe they are the best we’ve got right now? But it’s not like I’m going to try stop someone like Karen Straughan from fighting for men’s rights just because she wasn’t born with a dick.
Figure out your priorities. It’s nice that you now know what sort of cruel shit your sweet and innocent wives are capable of. They are pretty much all normally ruled by neurotic behavior and emotions.. Now figure out how to rectify it and work with fixing the system so that actually can benefit us all rather than tear down what we have left. You honestly aren’t going to understand the opposite sex at all if you just sit around the manosphere all day and read “lore” that’s posted by some bonehead. You need to carefully RP all of those around you, especially the women. Otherwise, they are going to be the first to hop on the bandwagon that encourages the destruction of their family, etc.
Just being honest with you all. Taking advantage of sluts just keeps encouraging them to do the same dumb stuff because they all associate with like minded women who do the same dumb shit. But having other women who shame them for it; That’s far more powerful. Society will try to shut you down if you do the same. So just sit there and smirk now that you have “red pill wisdom”. Congrats. You’ve passed the shit test and did nothing to get beyond that.
The world goes beyond sexual strategy. We place a lot of emphasis on sex because it’s a core element of our survival, but clearly there are some serious problems when birth rates decline and families are torn apart over trivial shit that’s backed by no fault divorce law. It goes WAY beyond getting your dick wet. Taxes, healthcare, foreign policy, religion. All repercussions of this, just by breeding and being human. The world is fucking lost because people can only focus on some narcissistic Snapchat shit that makes them look better (to get laid) while some liberal moron brainwashes their kids in daycare.
Women want what they don’t have. Like all livestock the grass is greener on the other side
If she has alpha cock she longs for beta cuddles
If she has beta cuddles she longs for alpha cock
It’s how they are built
LOL it is most def and us vs them situation. All of life is but most especially the men vs women dynamic that is going on right now. Dad sounds like a Republican Congress critter with that stuff and we all know who much those fuckers accomplish
Fuzz
Bloom did nit get brigaded. We all appreciate her.
We are just pointing out the flaw in the idea. Men and women are different and will never truly get each other. Woman cannot truly be vtotally rp because a good part of it is just to coldly, logically look at the situation and accept a society that sucks for men.
Only men can get passed the emotional hurt thrown at us daily thru male emotional detatchment. Be told every day, over and over, by strangers, collegues, your lover that you are somewhere between pathetic and an overbearing asshole.
Only a man, passed rp rage can look at that and shrug and say “so?” And keep on keeping on.
Women cannot detatch. Bloom couldnt help herseelf but go to detis emotions rather than just accept his statement as his fact in his life.
Bloom, it was empathetic and honest and you like deti. But you went to emotion.
Same as me an deti may misread a logically neutral statement from you as full of subtle emotion.
We are different. Full stop.
But the post feminist world only works if we are all illogical beings moving to and fro driven by the emotion of the minute.
Hence ala Borg
Discussion is Futile.
Bloom, you know we appreciate the attempt and the work. Why we keep coming back
Deti is right. Part of democracy is to check your emotions and make decisions for the greater good. Any decision of government has to be less good for some.
Those have to say ok I “want” different but its good overall so I will suck this up and later they will suck up for me.
The good of the many. It is a more logical less emotional viewpoint. Balanced, centric, overall ok but noit great.
The good of the one. By nature emotional. Wins big pulled up by his bootstraps or loses spectacularly what was he thinking.
redpillgirlnotessaid:August 30, 2017 at 2:43 pm
It’s the cynicism I was talking about. And you are right in most cases it is deserved. Maybe I am wrong to hope people could and might get it?
Cynicism.
A cold but often rational emotion (yes I will cop that it is an emotion) driven by observation.
Hope.
A good, useful emotion often at odds with logic or situational assessment driven by want.
(Try using hope in a sentence describing a situation without using the (contradiction) BUT.)
Both are useful. Men tend to one, women the other. Instinctively.
Props to A Dad.
I am very red pill. And contentedly (no such thing as happily) married.
My life includes wife and family. And lots of other things.
I build my life not around one thing like most blues (the pursuit of women or societial success.) I enjoy women, my mrs most of all.
But do I let my guard down. Think she will always love me, look out for me? Sacrifice herself for me? What, am I stupid?
She means to, she “hopes” she would. But I know the nature of the creature. They are not wired to. So I don’t make unreal expectations. I enjoy what is offered. But I don’t build my life on it.
Put another way, after 30 years in my career and 15 years in a govt job most would assume I could quietly ride out the last 8 years to retirement. Because my female boss reacted to emotion, fear and jealousy I was retired in force. But cynic me was ready, had a contingency for the possibility and am fine. I didn’t build my life on the “logic” of a female remaining unemotional.
Horseman,
There is no malice in you.
Agreed.
Women are not on your team.
On your team? Depends on how often you break her pussy
Bv, I like you and Deti both. I think these discussions are worthwhile, in mixed company. Let’s all not take it personal. Lay down our weapons at least here. Ok? If not, nobody is forcing participation. Hundreds and hundreds more read than comment each day. People are learning…
Deti, the whole “you’ll cheat if you have a chance” is nutty!
I’ve had many chances to cheat before and knew it’d be the worse thing I could do to my husband imaginable so obviously I didn’t.
I’ve had a man who fell in love with me, that was 6 years older and from a very wealthy family in our city… he tried to get me into an emotional affair by contacting me constantly via facebook. My husband was totally aware of him trying to message me because I told him about it and let him read everything. I told my husband I had had feelings for this man before I met my husband (around 18ish is when I was set up with him on a blind date by a crazy friend that thought we were well suited even with the age difference). It only disgusted me that someone would contact a married woman and try to talk to her privately in the kind of way emotional affairs start.
There was also a former professional tennis player who worked with me a few years ago, and made it very clear he wanted me, even though I was married with child. He was definitely not “in love” probably just wanted to use me, but the chance was there and I ignored it and him. I still get email notifications that he “looks at” my linked in profile (which has been inactive for years). It bothers me that someone would knowingly go after a married woman. And these men are handsome, older than my husband, have money and “power.” They went after me in times when we were barely making it financially, I was kind of sure they were sent by Satan himself… the former pro-tennis player went after me when my husband was actually in his academy and not emotionally and mentally there for me. Still resisted any “temptation” to ruin my marriage, Deti. I don’t understand all this accusing married women of cheating or going to cheat on their husbands or dreaming of cheating, etc.
I know Buena Vista tried to tell me before, once, that the ONLY reason I was into my husband was becasue he was a cop. Problem with that is I married him when he was nothing but a college student and working at IHOP.
IHOP.
Let that one sink in.
…
Truth be told, I **never** wanted to marry a police officer… the risk was too high. He decided on that career way after we’d been married for a few years and it was hard to accept it for me. But that’s what happens when you marry that young, and I took responsibility for choosing to marry young (without knowing what he’d really end up doing) and have just made it work and support him 100% in him choosing something I vowed when I was young I’d NEVER marry into. Because I love him.
Sometimes I just don’t “get” y’all. But it’s ok, it doesn’t really matter anyway … not trying to argue and fight. It’s just the internet.
Bloom
Just out of curiousity what is your average views? Can you filter a non commenting number to remove us recurring loons? Be curious.
Stephanie – A crazy ex also once tried to contact me after going through my LinkedIn profile. She knew I was married. Went right into the trash, though.
@ everyone, I refuse to police comments here . I barely have time to write posts. As you have likely seen I sometimes go hours or days wo checking in. I have a super, super busy life and responsibility load. Please help me out by being constructive, productive, and civil. Thank you! 😀
RPG,
The only people that will adhere to the honor system are honorable people. The ones that get their jollies insulting other people in the thread will continue. Then, the hammer comes down when their targets respond.
You have handed this over to them.
For the last year, I have had an account on Reddit. While it is supposed to be full of trolls, they are civil.
I found a pile of baby kittens this morning so the girls and I are having fun w feeding them w formula and an eye dropper 🙂
I get it. It’s not about me. Let’s carry on…
@A Dad,
yea it’s REALLY nice that linkedin lets you know who’s looking at you/stalking you. I wish facebook had that feature, but then maybe I’m glad it doesn’t because it really does just feel creepy.
Fuzzie, I’m sure they don’t see it as insulting other people… they see it as just rationally stating that AWALT.
Stephanie – I think that they took away some of that because they want you to pay extra for it now. But, yeah. I saw that she was “stalking” me even before she sent the email. It lead me to lock down my profile to all except for immediate network and perhaps recruiters. I’ve thought about closing it totally but I get weekly contacts about job offers, so I’ve not pulled the plug completely.
@A Dad
Yes, I still sometimes get job offers through email from there too. Got a really great one last Summer at my old boss’s competitor (research & drug/vaccine development), but it wasn’t a good time since we were trying to get pregnant again. The money would have been great though!
I still keep it open because I do plan to go back hopefully, if they’ll hire someone who’s had that long of a gap though I highly doubt!
Buena Vista: “Alan, you went on at length about movie stars but then said you had not actually observed them. I’m curious what your comments based on.”
Took a day or so off so I’m catching up. What I was trying to communicate was that I had not personally observed the exact people George Clooney et al mentioned in the thread. I worked as a writer and producer for
Yikes! Hit post by accident! Anyway, I worked in the business for years and am WAY too familiar with film and TV stars in general just not those people in specific. It’s important to make that distinction because there are a few who are really top notch people. It’s important to make that distinction because it’s really hard to be top notch given the environment.
Regardless, anything I say should only be taken as my opinion. That’s the only thing any of us can offer no matter our experience level.
The problem with this post is…..
The beta is being praised for his usefulness to women
I get it Ton. And I have seen things in their marriage since that indicate it may not be what it seemed.
So much praising his usefulness to women as he just seem to have an excellent attitude in general and he seem to be a useful productive member of society yes he helped me, a woman, but it wasn’t about that in my mind. He’s a really cool guy! Imho.
LOL reality doesn’t much care about what’s in your mind
The Ton more direct than normal he is
LOL are there days when I a indirect