Once upon a time, people got married, built a life, had children, and grew old together. It wasn’t perfect, but it mostly worked.
Then came divorce and the idea that commitment meant something like, “as long as you feel like it.” Marriage, the way it was, became extinct.
And things were never the same again.
The end.
Notes From a Red Pill Girl 
I have often advised Married guys on MRP of this one fact. She denies you sex. Gets all upset that it’s all you want, that there is more to a relationship then getting your dick wet.
Yeah?
How pissed off do women get when their man steps out? I thought sex wasn’t all that important to begin with?
Like I said. For women this shit is instinct. You all know what to do. You now how to keep a man’s interest. You know how. For guys it isn’t and far too few bother learning.
Yet, as I said, it’s not all sexual. Yes yes sex is a man’s #1 drive. #`1 reason for maintaining a healthy relationship. Yet a girl doesn’t have to exert any effort at all to have sex. If she is attractive enough, all she needs to do to get sex is show up. Someone will fuck her if she makes herself available.
This game only rewards effort.
You should also remember this:
sex is the most fundamental pre-requisite of any non-platonic interaction between a guy and a girl.
You’ll never find a situation where a girl is giving gifts and cooking meals, but NOT having sex with the guy (unless the man is both a coward and too daft to read the signs).
If sex isn’t happening, then something is terribly amiss and the man must either correct it or next her. Watch what she does not what she says.
Most women can easily go wo sex in a way men probably can’t understand. (Just like men think about and feel a drive for sex way more than women can understand) Like not even want or think about it. It’s largely hormonal, as female hormones usually peaks around the 24-72 hours around ovulation each month. Perhaps it’s biological, men can possibly reproduce (are fertile) every time they have sex while women are only fertile a few days a month. That said, a woman who doesn’t “feel horny” can still get in the mood if she makes an effort, and she should make this effort especially in a married relationship. The more sex a gal has w her guy, the more she wants as well, so the best cure for a dry spell is for her to break it even when she’s not feeling interested in sex. A few years back there was this 30 day sex challenge in churches where wives pledged to do it daily for 30 days. Women who did initially reported resistance and said it took effort but by the end of the 30 days (if the had done it) said they wanted to continue w the daily sex! Or even wanted sex more than once a day. Women w low sex drive are also often overcommitted to other things, allowing their energy to get drained then claiming they are “too tired” for sex. Women really need to be aware of this and take ownership of not having a dead bedroom. It’s not fair to expect commitment and exclusivity and then deny your partner. Not ok.
A guy I know from college was in a six year relationship w a great gal, they got along fantastic, I was sure they would marry. But she had a female issue that made her stop having sex. He white knuckled it for two years but recently broke it off and started seeing Dancer (who volunteered the do it ten times a weekend when he visits! Tmi! Lol.) he’s in love w the other gal still, sadly for Dancer, but he couldn’t take the no sex. I am not sure how it will play out long term, Dancer really really likes him but it feels to me like she’s “right now” gal for him.
@RPG I agree. Women can be sexual camels. It’s a basis of RP praxeology that men must maintain sexual attraction on a relationship. This is why escalation and game is one of hte main things men must learn.
A man must, as a baseline, be the man he was when she fell in love with him, and then he must improve from there. A women must forget mistakes made and recognize the growth. Women connect memories and emotions. When they feel something it brings back all the memories associated with that feeling. It’s up to men to remind them that it no longer matter and they’ve moved past that.
That said, its not just over commitment. Women can be psychologically conditioned by their mothers and other women of similar mind set. ie feminism. I’ve seen this first hand.
Women can either encourage a healthy sexual lifestyle or not.
First…..this other girl….are her hands and mouth broke too? Not to be crude but this is what I am saying.
Women will not accept anything less then full on support from thier guy. We MUST be 100% foot on the gas at all times. When it comes to our needs we have to accept less then that unless we hold women to a standard. I have literally gotten up and walked out from bad sex. I won’t stand for it.
Can’t do PIV? There are other ways. Other things. Women know how but expect us to accept less. I have often noticed that even the best women are like first generation lithium batteries. After the first full charge each full charge is just a little less then the last.
It’s solipsism…which is the philosophical idea that only one’s own mind is sure to exist. Women think something is true or feel it therefore everyone else does as well.
So true re just a guy re hands and mouth, I actually thought the same. What he wants isn’t just sex but closeness, sexual affection. But she bought the feminist thinking that “if he loved her, he’d understand.” She lost a great guy w that thinking. Sadly.
On the topic of woman’s sex drive, I’ve heard that women are meant to have a lower sex drive than men, idk, maybe I’m an exception or something but I’m always (and I mean literally always) in the mood for sex, I can’t even imagine what it would be like to deny sex or why a woman would do it. However I have experienced the opposite with my partner, I’m not sure if I have a higher sex drive than him or something, I would happily have sex 2-3 times a day, once a day or less seems to be enough for him.
Dancers biggest issue is poor emotional control. Shit tests a lot. It’s wearing thin on him. She also may lose a great guy, but for another RP reason!
Ultimately? It’s a method of control.
There’s also a factor of attraction.
I will give you another story. My ex always had to initiate. I was always shot down. So a situation like this always happened. I would tell her what felt good, what I wanted or needed at the time and she would get pissed.
Stop and tell me that it was her turn to share. That I should let her do what she wanted. Not what I wanted or needed. It was always about control.
Others?
1. She told me she never had an orgasm. I worked on trying to get her to. Then years later she finally admitted she was from the start but didn’t want me to get a big ego about it. So lying was justified to her.
2. I wasn’t allowed to touch her breasts for 3 years after she nursed our second daughter. At all. No reason. Just no. Then one day I could. No reason. Just no.
For some women it’s about control. Nothing more. I could make the argument that I wasn’t attractive enough or not good in bed (see the psychological manipulation here) but I proved that wrong countless times with my affairs.
One could argue that she’d fuck Brad Pitt….but that’s also been proven false because look at Brad Pitt now. There’s a lot more going on here then just attraction. Yes it’s a part of it but she has to respect you as a man. My ex doesn’t like men deep down.
Dancers biggest issue is poor emotional control. Shit tests a lot.
Perhaps coach her on this issue you could
@yoda yes, I have been. She really likes him and wants to please him so I think she’d learn. Or be willing to.
The being in love w the first girl tho… Not sure how that will play out. But shit tests don’t help!
I have my doubts about Dancer’s new BF’s old girlfriend. That they weren’t married speaks for her, but it sounds like manipulation to me. I am a little concerned for Dancer because she is the “rebound girl”. If she can stay calm and take each week as it comes, she may get to be a lifelong habit for him.
I think, in a larger sense. something has gone haywire with women. It is one thing to look for reasons to reject before a relationship starts. It is quite another to keep looking once commitment is in place. It is beginning to look like rejection is inevitable.
Bloom, if Dancer and the LT girlfriend could get along, there’s no reason why they couldn’t share him and it would work out better that way for all concerned.
“pert certain”
*giggle*
A woman’s sex drive is 100% dependent on the perceived alphaness of the dude fucking her
“There are no macro solutions and damn sure none folks at our level could implement therefore jealously guarding your masculine sovereignty and next’ing unruly bitches is micro answer to current dysfunction in the SMP/ MMP
I’m pert certian men still playing by the Old set of Books, or those pining away for some magical days of yore to return cannot imagine the how simple and effective saying next and valuing your sovereignty above all else can be.”
100% agree with this. I wish I’d remembered this before I went full-beta after being married. I just listened to an interview with Rollo and he’d indicated that the same thing happened to him. He totally lost his balls to a BPD when he was younger, and it messed him up. But he came back from it and so can any man. Now that I’m getting back into my older frame of mind, I don’t know whether or not to laugh at who I’d become, or to be disgusted by it.
“How pissed off do women get when their man steps out? I thought sex wasn’t all that important to begin with?
Like I said. For women this shit is instinct. You all know what to do. You now how to keep a man’s interest. You know how. For guys it isn’t and far too few bother learning.”
JustAGuy – I don’t know about this. I think that it’s because women are being encouraged to pursue their true nature and for men it’s typically forcibly suppressed from the time they are born. Even if it’s not at home, the public school system and media try to smother masculinity. I think that a lot of people are catching on and there is a growing backlash. I’m trying to get my kid out of public school but I know that his feminist mom is going to fight me on it.
If you look back to your marriage, think about how the sex played out. I’m pretty sure that there would be a point where you lost frame and she stopped just giving it up. Then, expecting her to just continue to want to do it was incorrect but you were probably conditioned (like most of us) that it was a normal and a proper scenario, and that she’s just supposed to want you because she married you. But the fact of the matter is that she can’t want to have sex if there isn’t that animal desire. It’s something along the lines of what RPG was saying above with the church experience. The childbirth doesn’t help matters, because a lot of women get a body complex afterwards.
It doesn’t help matters either that marital rape is a real legal issue now. So now you can’t just expect that sex comes with marriage, because it’s not a given. So you’re stuck with never losing frame over a period of 20-40 years (which is probably impossible) or you get a damn unicorn who understands this shit and can control herself with a little help. The other option is just to never marry and “next” a woman who isn’t worth the effort as Ton suggests. Obviously it’s a lot harder when you’ve got a family involved. I’m now in a position where I can next any woman, including my ex-wife. I just blow her off because I don’t give a shit about her or what she needs.
I’m a firm believer that no good relationship can work without lots and lots of sex. And I don’t know about your wife’s situation, but you’re pretty much doomed if her lust for you doesn’t overtake her disgust for the act (as my wife was, since she was molested as a child). Her body image messed her had after being a mom. Losing frame is just icing on the shitstorm cake. Some of us realize that we were lied to before it’s too late. Some of us, perhaps, are not so lucky… Or very lucky depending upon how you view it.
” So you’re stuck with never losing frame over a period of 20-40 years (which is probably impossible) or you get a damn unicorn who understands this shit and can control herself with a little help. The other option is just to never marry and “next” a woman who isn’t worth the effort as Ton suggests. ”
So as always Why Bother??
. Now that I’m getting back into my older frame of mind, I don’t know whether or not to laugh at who I’d become, or to be disgusted by it.
………..
Some of each I reckon but the important part is ……getting back into my older frame of
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I am still chuckling over the dude who thinks he has a version 1.0 marriage . Lest you ain’t that guy any longer
I think we may be overlooking the obvious. All this mumbo jumbo is just a means for men to make themselves believe that they can control a situation that is beyond their control. What goes on in a woman’s mind is beyond a man’s control. That they continue to look for reasons to nuke the relationship is a control issue for women. If they nuke it, it is within their control and that would constitute success. While this is as twisted and counterproductive as can be, it is what men have to deal with.
Riddle me this Batman.
If women are only really attractive until say 33
And
Up until 33 they Want to ride the Carousel
Then why not give them what they want.
Be an asshole, a financially secure asshole as you are not wasting money on as family, ons fuck or short term pump and dump the attractive under thirties and ignore the old spinsters like their sisters do.
Hell a reasonably fit forty something with a hundred grand in thge bank should be able to get all the sex he wants. Cause after all, thats all its about right.
If ya gotta game unceasingly for thirty years, I say then make it worth the efforts.
Im not an asshole, Im giving them what they want.
What? What?
Other than “morality” which seems so out of fashion these days
Give me a good reason, hell any reason why not to
Work for himself, make gobs of disposable income, play with the attractive young girls, and ignore the ugly (over 35) post wall desperatodoes.
And think its just the chads?
Any guy gets fed up, says fuck it will quickly depedalize if not dispise women and will adapt the bad boy attitude by default. Oh and ..money talks.
Just given them what they want.
One good reason? Anyone? Beuller? Anyone??
If you dont think of women as individuals its easy to next them, to play games with them, to dispose of them. All the dark triad things.
Its only good guys who care about a womans feelings and worry “she” wont like them.
“Who cares what she thinks of me, I dont care what she thinks to begin with.”
(Its just like public speaking. Im not afraid of it cause they are strangers I will never see again so who cares.)
A player thinks in the morning I’ll never see her again so who cares what lies I tell her now.
Kinda like roomie doesnt give a fuck what bloom thinks of her so she takes advantage.
You only feel guilty if you break Your Own morale code, not someone elses.
If you dont care about the person, you will never feel guilty about anything you do to them.
What?? Just sayin.
Ironic, isn’t it mgtowhorseman?
Being a “good guy” or a “nice guy” is a good way to get blindsided by princess, because she can’t help it that she’s not attracted to nice and she doesn’t know why. “I don’t love him anymore so it must be something that he did…” (because women always seem to erroneously confuse sexual attraction with love).
Horseman,
There is only one hole in your proposition, it only allows for alpha fux. There is no provision for beat bux. Still, I think women need to be limited to either one option or the other, not both.
it’s worth it to go to the link to see the pics of this couple sittin’ in an old pick-up truck 🙂
We just adore these octogenarian love birds.
Meghan Overdeep
After 65 years of marriage, three children, four grandchildren, and seven great-grandchildren, Rosie and Bill have lived a good life—some would even say a great one. But it’s their love for each other that their granddaughter, photographer Megan Straight, finds most incredible.
“They still hug and kiss each other and are always together each time they leave the house,” Straight told Yahoo Lifestyle. “My grandmother just had hernia surgery, and my grandfather has been by her side, making sure she is OK.”
At 85 and 87 years old respectively, Rosie and Bill aren’t getting any younger, which is why Straight felt strongly about photographing her grandma and pawpaw together while she could. Without telling either of them, Straight planned a photoshoot at a friend’s property in Fairview, WV, not far from Fairmont, the town where they both were raised. She even bought Rosie a new dress for the covert photo session.
“It was a surprise, and we borrowed a truck from a neighbor because my papaw used to own one just like it,” she told Yahoo. “He said it brought back a lot of memories.”
During the shoot, Straight recalled that the couple had everyone “laughing so hard we were crying.” It was Bill’s idea to include the tractor, she noted.
When she shared the photos on her Facebook page, Fly Away Daisy Photography, the response was instantaneous. People adored the octogenarian love birds, and so do we. Currently, the post has more than 40,000 likes and 42,000 shares.
“The photos show the love they have for each other, and I am truly proud that they are my grandparents,” said Straight.
http://www.southernliving.com/culture/meghan-straight-photographer-captures-grandparents-loving-photo-shoot?utm_campaign=southernliving&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&xid=sl_socialflow_facebook
here’s a link to the fb page with all the pics – they’re adorable 🙂
Awe, who knew dinosaurs were so cute? Good for them!
I know a similar couple, he was a child in Hungary during WWII, his uncle fanagled him a visa to come study in the US, then after the war ended some prominent politicians helped him gain citizenship. He saw her at the local outdoor movie show, says he knew then she’d be his wife. They are always together, obviously still adore each other, their children and grandchildren adore them. Heck I adore them! Thru finish each others sentences lovingly (not at all rudely butting in) yet hang on each others every word, eyes sparkling. They are the lucky ones, the dinosaurs. They don’t know the brokenness, the pain, the hurt, the loss, the grief, the piecing back together. They are lucky (or wise?) not to know. Will there be dinosaurs from my generation? The next? I hope so, but it’s likely even more rare today than then. How sad… Such richness replaced by such emptiness.
Such richness replaced by such emptiness.
and the truly sad part is that feminism has completely deluded itself into believing the opposite.
yes, so very sad 😦
I think that what feminism has done is to replace cooperation in marriage with competition. Of course it is not going to work.
Stupid feminists!
All men should hold themselves in high enough regard that he would not settle for being beta bucks.
There are always going to be betas. The real problem is that the beta we talk about is actually an omega. Betas at least know how to get and keep a relationship though it may be unsatisfying in many ways.
First we have to understand that we have to talk in generalities. Yes yes there are always exceptions always outliers BUT we cannot get to the specific if we don’t talk about the general, the generic.
RP truths don’t change they are just clouded by ego and behavior but they can be explained easily.
@ A Dad.
Sorry but that is a red pill truth. At a primal level women understand red pill Praxeology. Hence the shit test. They know exactly how to find, uncover, and create a beta. The more aware they are the more they will either A: Accept their AWALT behaviors, or B: Repress them.
Both those options create he “high value” woman. The first one we would call high maintenance but she would be worth keeping around if you are alpha enough. The second is demure, extremely lady like, but worth having.
Its the one that denies what she is and her actions are incongruent with her words.
Men are not taught any more. At all. Men are now raised by single women and are taught to “be yourself”. They are told what a woman really wants. If I am hunter why am I going to ask the deer how to hunt it? I am going to ask other hunters.
Yes my collapse to beta didn’t help my marriage but in my RP postmortem the signs were there all along that it wasn’t going to work as I saw a marriage. I am a first gen American. My parent came from the old world. I grew up with this alpha behavior. I was an Army Ranger. Served in combat. I know alpha traits. Thing is I met my wife. Sex was amazing while we dated….she was DTF at any time. Then suddenly 6 months from our date she wanted to be a virgin again. Then honeymoon she slept for the first 14 hours. in the week sex once. It came to a crashing halt….so I started to do the beta thing. It’s natural reaction.
Never again. So here’s the thing. Alpha like AWALT is a range. Rollo has even commented on this and even declares himself a not so good Alpha. He thinks he exists on the left ride while the right is reserved for buys Like Corey Worthington (look it up on youtube). Guys like Cory are not relationship material. At. All. Yet they are the asshole women want to fuck.
An Alpha that is or wants a relationship should exist somewhere around the center. He should know how to use his beta traits in order to keep his woman interested. As MRP calls it…the Oak. We are the shelter women can come to. We provide security and those beta traits are what does that. Yet the alpha needs to be strong enough to not give into his beta emotions. Brush the feelz off as it were.
I was once the assholish alpha. While fun for me I do want a relationship with a woman. I do enjoy all the things. So while we are strangers on the internet I am a romantic at heart (as all men are), and I fin satisfaction in doing the things that make my woman smile. There is no contact there other me displaying my dominance, my ability to provide, and being able to control her emotional state. Nicholas Sparks has nothing one me. He is an amateur compared to the things I have done and capable of doing for the woman in my life.
But I have found none worthy of my time and attention to build one with her. It’s just simply that over time the woman feels entitled to the benefits of that relationship without increasing or returning her side, so I do not. She has to earn it now and even that has me lose interest because they are not willing to keep earning. I grow tired of it.
There is always something else that will take her energy or time away. Men don’t look back. We, by nature, do not go backwards. Which is explains how for us after having wild no taboo sex once we can do it again at the drop of a hat, but a woman would need to warm up to it. If we have had mind blowing sex once in our life that is now the new baseline. A woman, despite having that, will not immediately do it again with her new partner and yes there is a huge element of how attracted she is to him, and how he can encourage the slut in her. Case in point I had a girlfriend immediately jumped into the wildest sex you can imagine. She was that attracted to me. Sadly she failed the vetting process later down the road….she was also a validation whore.
IN the end I am a the point where I am considering a MGTOW life. Coming out to have a woman in my life for a time. Have fun then move on. Women are not deserving of a relationship with me.
JustAGuy – Your story is mine, man. It’s crazy how many similarities there are, and I’m hearing this from other guys on the web. It even happened to my friend, who’s wife recently left him, but he’s so blue pill that he still refuses to accept it.
I’ve been single for several months now and my perspective has changed quite a bit as my mind has cleared. I wouldn’t say that I’m MGTOW, though I’d considered it earlier this year. Just doing my own thing and enjoying it. When / if the time comes for me to “date” (I use that word loosely), I’ll be better prepared. Right now, it’s a pretty low priority. I just lift and fight or work on the home when I’m not hanging with the kid. And it’s good.
All men should hold themselves in high enough regard that he would not settle for being beta bucks
Nailed it.
We give them what they Want.
What they NEED is not our problem.
I mean its just food, and rent and stuff.
Its called being Spontaneous!!!
(I am hoping being an ironic asshole gets a point across.
Surprised no one caught the bit about a little thing called Morality!!)
All men should hold themselves in high enough regard that he would not settle for being beta bucks
Nailed it.
We give them what they Want.
What they NEED is not our problem.
I mean its just food, and rent and stuff.
Its called being Spontaneous!!!
(I am hoping being an ironic asshole gets a point across.
Surprised no one caught the bit about a little thing called Morality!!)
It’s red pill, brother. Despite what we want we are not special nor unique. IT’s happened before and will again. Honestly I laugh when the ladies here say “I wonder why women would do this or that”
Fact is even they are capable of doing it and will do it. All women shit test. There is not one that won’t or doesn’t. Only the tone changes. A “quality” woman works just like an Alpha does only she has to resist her nature. He has to resist her.
A woman will fall in love with who you are then spend the rest of the relationship trying to change you. Your job is to prevent it.
The praxeology is there. Those that get it can use that to get their needs met.
Not knowing you, hell you or I could be fat guys living in our parents basement, but that is the definition of MGTOW. Not the angry teens you see on the Reddit group that are just pissed off at the world.
A true MGTOW sees the world for what it is and accepts it. He then lives his life PARALLEL to society. An Alpha lives IN society but both by their own rules. It’s a nuanced difference but there.
Wow, even wordpress agrees!! Double posted it!! Awesome.
And the pictures of the old couple?
He’s happy because either he just got back from his girlfriend or seeing her later that day.
I take pleasure in being outside society.
My favorite indulgent pleasure??
The word NO!
LOL. Certainly not a fat guy, nor do I live in my parents basement. But it’s certainly funny because you never know who is on the other side. I’m pretty lean and strong. Mostly a fighter’s physique. I do pretty well and have a decent home of my own. Life is good.
A lot of the angry guys on Reddit checked out from the time that they were angsty pre-teens. I get it though. A lot of boys are lost now, which is why I’m trying to keep my son on track.
I can remember as a kid, divorce was still relatively rare, and people still whispered and were shocked. The kids across the street’s parent’s divorced and at that time they were the only ones in my whole school to have divorced parents. This was probably 1978 or so. All the other kids in a single mom family (like myself) had widow moms (military town, post Vietnam.) my mom would always be sure to let people and neighbors know right away that she wasn’t divorced bc it was still shameful then. In the 1980s it became more common, then no fault came to be and it just opened the floodgates. It seems to me the “me” generation did a lot that undermined a functional society. Not that the knew at the time where it would go but I think about that, how the baby boomers took existing concepts, line feminism or divorce, and mainstreamed them. Sad.
RPG – When I decided to marry my wife, she insisted that she “didn’t believe in divorce”. I believed what she said. It’s all just words, because the underlying nature is going to show itself eventually.
I would not be willing to trust even the best of women anymore. As long as there are laws in place that put men at risk, no man should ever marry. Women are going to say or do anything that it takes (and they might even believe it, for a while) to get what they want, until they subconsciously invent some reason to change their minds.
“I would not be willing to trust even the best of women anymore”
That is your failing. Trusting another. If you understand RP and are able to mange the women in your life none of this matters.
What should bother you more is that women resist their nature and overly complicate relationships. Where as for me? I just choose to no longer play the game.
A dad, I would agree. People say they would never do a lot of things. But then if they feel its justified, or that they won’t face any repercussions, or they just “feel like it”well…
Just a guy is right, trusting vs red pill knowing, is the sane way to go.
they subconsciously invent some reason to change their minds.
Called a “hamster” this is
Red pill knowing = AWALT. Even the best.
What should bother you more is that women resist their nature and overly complicate relationships
Truth this would be
Then knowing AWALT, the choice becomes have relationships w that knowledge and on your terms or avoid women altogether. Thinking, “but this one is different…” Big mistake.
Women will never love men the way men expect to be loved.
t is up to him to demand it of her or move on.
I don’t think it is a good idea to praise alphas. Given that women are attracted to the Dark Triad traits, most alphas are sociopaths. It is curious that women are wired this way. It is antisocial in the extreme and will wreck civilization. Without betas incentivized, there will be no no reason to produce. I couldn’t trust an alpha to change a light bulb. As Aaron Clarey is fond of reminding us, “Enjoy the decline!”
@ fuzzie on the surface it makes no sense. Logically. But if you consider “survival of the fittest” then it makes more sense. Bad boys survive in tough times precisely bc they have no problem doing whatever it takes, regardless of the morality. Their children inherit these traits as well. So stronger and fiercer mates and offspring indirectly benefit mom’s survival. Of course that’s in times of struggle. During stable times, some alphas can be more trouble than they are worth. Herculean for example. Rarely works. Not dependable. Chases women. Thinks only of himself. But if stuff went down, he’d be the guy you’d want. All this is ancient programming, long before civilization. Social mores kept it in check. W those gone its back to these primary drivers. Ironically perhaps this itself will lead to a time when Hercules will again be an asset? When the civilization that betas built then made so safe women didn’t need them anymore (it seemed) collapses?
Spawny linked this over at his blog. To the self professed alphas, here is what women really think.
I don’t know why, but women are adept at wrecking any venue that sees any success. They are taking down Tinder in a matter of months. By Tinder’s own numbers, men have to swipe right eighteen times more to get the same number of matches.
RPG,
Your argument does not hold up when compared to history.
Considering what European men have seen through the centuries, it has been bred out of us. Also, consider disease resistance.
I think what women have done is to set some arbitrary, ridiculously, high standards to see all men that apply fail.
Then, they hop into bed with men they admit to being complete assholes.
Men deserve better.
@fuzzie @RPG
Incorrect. First Alpha is a range of behaviors. From the hard core dickish frat boy to the confident man. Just to label all alphas the same is the similar labeling all women the same. It is not.
AWALT should NOT be used to label women and just go “AWAL, ami right?” That is incorrect. Not understanding RP and the praxeology behind it causes these errors.
https://illimitablemen.com/2015/12/16/the-awalt-misconception/
Furthermore it is actually the Alphaness in men that create society. I mean we could get deep into the state of nature, and the social contract but really that would detract from my point. It isn’t the beta nor alpha that inherently created society but it is the Alpha the lead people to society.
It is society that has allowed the beta to be continue unchecked. While not really a bad thing it is feminism that has allowed it to be considered the normal. Betas, can exist just fine. The more knowledgeable of RP praxeology actually say that it’s the omega we talk about and vilify. The beta is really just a repressed alpha or someone with little ambition in life. But a beta can and does have relationships just fine. Now in todays society (encouraged by feminism) women are finding those relationships unsatisfying is because they have squandered their currency (sexual availability). For argument’s sake if a woman had never slept around or slutted it up she would never encountered an alpha in her past and would have nothing to compare it too….and she would have been fine with her beta partner. Never really knowing the difference though maybe suspecting.
I won’t get into the other dynamic of social pressure of the community, but it played a factor. A beta relationship while it would have been fine would not have progressed because the man wouldn’t know or care to. It would have just been.
Alphas across the spectrum of behaviors are taking advantage of today’s society. Getting their needs fulfilled without giving up their currency. It’s statements like those above that force an Alpha’s hand. We can and will get our needs met and will work to our own rules. Odds are you will never know until it’s too late and it’s done. there is no taming an alpha. At all. They will always live by thier rules and we are relearning how to interpret female behavior.
Like I said…women have to want to be wanted. within that submissive frame of theres they can tame an alpha. gentle his spirit and get him to commit. But women have to submit. This doesn’t mean a woman cannot be a powerful executive, or have ambition but it does mean she has to yield control of the relationship to him. That when they are together he leads.
If you do not understand this dynamic you can never hope to have a functional (let’s call it RP) relationship.
JustAGuy,
As those who can’t do, teach. Those who can’t do, lead. In nature, what separates an alpha from a beta is sexual access. In the manosphere, self professed alphas are attempting to apply that definition to humans. It is an attempt to justify women’s deliberately bad choices and allow these clowns to pat themselves on the back.
Years ago, I found out what an Arabian stallion was good for. “Just one thing.” Forgive me if I start seeing alphas in the same light.
Fuzzie
That made no damn sense. Can’t do lead?
You have no clue. I know who and what I am.
I have a mission in life. A purpose and a direction.
It’s just that fucking simple.
Fuzzy,
I have yet to met an alpha that is not a complete zero in terms of being a decent human being, but hey, they get plenty of women.
You will have to excuse me if I find these women as useless as the men they prostate themselves for. Women like this are a dime a dozen.
Just aAGuy,
Those who can do, do. They do it for alphas who can’t.
goFigure,
They do get plenty of women.
Fuzzie.
I get it now. You made that up. There’s no internal consistency with that line of reasoning.
I’m not here to evangelize Red Pill. By being here one would guess there was some basic understanding of red pill and by default Rule Zero.
I have no idea why people want to change it into what it isn’t. Statements like this and “all alphas are assholes” show a lack of understanding.
That is your failing. Trusting another. If you understand RP and are able to mange the women in your life none of this matters.
……
I call bullshit
Fuzzie – That Tinder video is pretty vile.
It’s pretty weird that they picked Whitney Cummings for the video. She’s pretty well-known for riding the CC and making lots of jokes about it.
JustAGuy,
I know what it is to be the “Can Do” guy. It all rolls downhill and being at the bottom gives one a unique perspective. It doesn’t get passed on.
You are here to evangelize the Red Pill because it gives you greater status.
ADad,
It is quite an eye opener to see what women are thinking. Women dominate Tinder as a venue to such an extent, they should not complain. That they do gives weight to another commenter who suggests that we should be fishing in another pond.
She is vile and all the more effective motivating men for it.
@ Bloom:
Stephanie I think you might be talking about Return of Kings, started by Roosh V not Heartiste? But if the original Heartiste is not writing that blog now I didn’t know. His writing style and turns of phrase are fairly unique, and as a former editor I appreciate and recognize good prose regardless of what it’s about, the guy I am thinking if is a highly intelligent and skilled wordsmith and his style is recognizable. But there’s lots I don’t know, actually, so if so I also hope he’s happily doing something.
Bloom, the original Roissy was a midlevel governmental employee who was a regular commenter at Roosh’s first blogspot site, DCBachelor. Roissy opened up Roissy in DC in 2007, and it changed names twice: First to Citizen Renegade, then to Heartiste. The original Roissy turned the site over to a group of writers after he got doxxed.
Anyway the early Roissy from 2007 to late 2010 was and still is some of the absolute best writing I’ve ever read anywhere about anything, fiction or nonfiction. As a lawyer and around here and as a voracious reader even before the manosphere, I have read millions of words and dozens of books. Slumlord calls him The Devil’s Virtuoso. Indeed.
There is a new post at Spawny’s
https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2017/10/14/distractions/
I probably still don’t get it. But I do try! 🙂
RPG,
You are trying. However, it is discouraging when, after all the stuff that she pulled, Vixen landed on her feet. I’ll bet you a doughnut that as much will happen with Roomie. The other part that gets to me is that this society is so gynocentric that people can’t even see it. Not all lessons are happy ones.
@ fuzzie I am not so sure vixen has landed on her feet… Yet. My sense is that she will continue to evade “losing her independence” and will end up alone and regretting it. Women want independence until they don’t, often to find at that point they no longer have a choice. Her children are also greatly negatively affected by all she’s done, so I would not call it a win by any stretch.
As for roomie, she likes to work out and has maintained her figure. When Dancers bf met her in person he said to me, “oh, I get it now.” I think that she’s child free also helps up her smv. But she too wants fried ice – a guy to support her “independent lifestyle.” She told her ex bf that if they moved in together she wanted her own bedroom and most of her time to herself. Which is why it hasn’t happened, among other reasons. My friend is the kind of bootlicking “understanding modern guy” who likely would contort himself into pretzels trying to please her, but women don’t really want a guy like that so again it wouldn’t last.
Both women are coming to the wall quickly now, and based upon looking at their moms it won’t go well. While they don’t understand “the wall” I think they can both feel it and are panicked. Even if they end up w their boyfriends, their own actions have removed any wife goggle effect they may have had otherwise. So I wouldn’t declare it “winning” just yet. They have enjoyed lives as 8+’s so far but didn’t play their natural advantages very well.
RPG,
Yes, they both expect to get fried ice. They are getting away with it. This might be a slice of something far larger. I think women expect to get away with it indefinitely. They are only going to stop when all the men are dead or are so tired of these games they won’t play anymore.
While they don’t understand “the wall” I think they can both feel it and are panicked.
………..
Reckon that is so for 80%+ of the split tail out there which is weird given the culture of worshiping our youth handed down to us via the baby boomers
Farm Boy linked this over at Spanwny’s.
“After the homeowner discovered the nude intruder eating canned pineapple, she retreated to her car and called police.”
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/12/florida-woman-discovers-naked-intruder-eating-pineapple-in-her-home.html
This could be where all this pursuit of fried ice ends.
RPG: “… if you consider “survival of the fittest” then it makes more sense. Bad boys survive in tough times precisely bc they have no problem doing whatever it takes, regardless of the morality. Their children inherit these traits as well. So stronger and fiercer mates and offspring indirectly benefit mom’s survival.”
There is kind of a fetishistic aspects to our calling things Alpha, beta, and the like. It’s good to have a vocabulary but these are just loose terms that have never meant anything exactly. Originally, I suspect that, to women, a lot of the Alpha-ness of Alphas is that they treat women like property. Property will be defended and therefore she is safe from all but the Alpha. The failure of modern society and of women in general is that in trying to evolve an Alpha who treats his property better the sort of Lone Wolf or Cad Alpha was created on one hand and the Beta on the other. In a couple hundred years a more functional form may yet evolve.
I’m making this up as I go along but that’s the fun of reading these blogs!
Bear: “it is discouraging when, after all the stuff that she pulled, Vixen landed on her feet”
Sometimes you just have to realize that fate’s vengeance is often for A-holes to just keep on living as A-holes. The vengeance part is the fact that they aren’t aware of it while others are.
A Dad: “It’s pretty weird that they picked Whitney Cummings for the video. She’s pretty well-known for riding the CC and making lots of jokes about it.”
I don’t know. It’s a stupid ad but given what they seem to be trying to do she seems perfectly chosen from a pretty short list; known female comedians who are fairly attractive (all women who use Tinder and attractive) and who have made fun of the men they supposedly dated in their act.
Since she had her own TV show they probably paid through the nose to get her … a theory also supported by the fact that they didn’t have good enough writers to allow her any funny punch lines. If the producers aren’t going to make you look witty then the money is probably damn good … or she’d been off the air too long and needed to get something in her resume ASAP. The woman is a decent writer (by network TV standards) so this is definitely just for a quick paycheck.
The point seems to be to convince women that Tinder is fun because you can use these new little animations to blow off the second rate guys that you find there — sick and counter productive — and to convince men (not the priority in this ad) that Tinder is full of women who look like the women who work in this fictional Tinder office — a cleaner sell but mounted on the “have fun blowing off men” concept it’s not too functional.
I’m scratching my head over this. It’s the “who are they selling to?” question that seems to be the Epic Fail here. This is a slick and expensive ad written by idiots. If they are trying to attract women it’s upside (have fun blowing off men) is severely damaged by the message that the men on Tinder are douche bags. If they are trying to attract men then the message: use Tinder to amuse women by getting called a douche bag with idiotic animations is also idiotic.
I’d say it’s an ad written internally at Tinder by advertising amateurs, if a major agency came up with this they should be fired immediately.
The only other messaging possibility might be that Tinder is just a mechanism for women to get some sort of mild revenge against men, to take down their undue confidence in approaching women. Get the douche bags (meaning the men you, as a women, don’t want to hear from … whoever that may be) off of Tinder. Seems like corporate suicide.
Or did I miss something? It seems so lame I feel like I must have.
Alan,
In my view, it is who is shown favor.
Now that you mention it, the Tinder video would attract the wrong women and it would chase men away. Horribly counterproductive. Still, they went with it. That says they just don’t care.
I’m scratching my head over this. It’s the “who are they selling to?” question that seems to be the Epic Fail here
Perhaps the guys who run the NFL are branching out
Farmer: “Perhaps the guys who run the NFL are branching out”
Still laughing!
Laughing also I am
Hehehehe
It is funny, but I don’t think that anyone at the National Football League is laughing.
Nor at Tinder.
Orson Welles laugh.
Here’s something from Dr. Helen. It’s brief.
https://pjmedia.com/drhelen/2017/10/15/feminist-worldview-antithetical-love/
A question for the ladies. If a married man goes to Subway, is that cheating?
Fuzzie!!! I actually tease my husband about that whenever he’s forced to get fast food 😀 😉
Admittedly it’s usually my fault becasue I didn’t make time to make his lunch or dinner or something.. but LOL…
I’m like, “Are you CHEATING on my food?!?”
And he just spanks me.
My brother’s friend was a truck driver. Every morning his wife made a lunch for him and his dog who rode with him in the truck. That wife is a keeper.
❤ ❤ ❤
Love it FarmBoy!
There is a new post at Spawny’s
https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2017/10/16/holding-yourself-hostage/
Stephanie,
It is great that you can joke about it.
Farm Boy,
The dog is a keeper too.
I got to thinking about the Tinder video and realized that it can’t be far from the truth. Women riding the cock carousel can’t hold their male partners in too high esteem. Even thought they are apex males, the women want to pump and dump them. I don’t want to think about being married to a woman who harbored those sentiments at any time in her life. As a matter of fact, I would not want to date one. The problem for men is that we don’t know how deep this goes and there is no way to test for it. When these women want to go from alpha to beta bux, they are going to cover this so well, no guy will suspect.
Bear: “I don’t want to think about being married to a woman who harbored those sentiments at any time in her life. As a matter of fact, I would not want to date one. The problem for men is that we don’t know how deep this goes and there is no way to test for it. When these women want to go from alpha to beta bux, they are going to cover this so well, no guy will suspect.”
My opinion, which is all I can ever give, is that no woman ever wants to go from Alpha fux to Beta bux. All want a man they can convince themselves (harnessing their imagination is very useful) is an Alpha and an Alpha WITH with bux, preferably one who mixes loyalty, tingles and drama. The best of these marry and settle down with their happy wives. The rest of the women chase men they have to work harder to convince themselves are Alphas. The beta thing just happens. Bux briefly allows them to convince themselves a guy is Alpha enough. Also, in the self employed world, Bux equals Alpha-like/lite with greater regularity.
I doubt you need to be told this because you’ve been around these parts longer than I have, but a young guy can avoid the most prolific riders of the carousel by not dating in big cities. It’s getting harder but it’s possible. When I was younger I was very aware of some towns that had a very high female to male ratio, like Santa Fe or (though a big city) San Francisco. Being in the arts helped but the pickings were excellent. Unfortunately, most of those towns have gone deeply Progressive recently, with all the politics and personalities that suggests. However, I have heard from others that Southern University towns aren’t too bad, lots of ladies, a more reasonable culture and many don’t leave when they get out of school.
Big urban centers and towns with outsized male populations (military towns and outdoor sports areas like Moab, UT) are deadly. Attractive and intelligent women are drawn to urban critical mass cities because there are more “possibilities.” You can be at the top of your “game” and it’s still a nightmare. So scratch the oil towns, scratch ALASKA, LA, NYC, and find a location or a community within that location that has reasonable possibilities.
The up and down side is that in smaller communities you kind of know who they’ve been with (even if it’s not so many). That’s good if you remain objective but bad if you are prone to obsessing over one girl. If a guy is really looking then research is the key. Women KNOW to go to big cities to be adored by many, find richer guys, and hang out with lots of women who won’t challenge their way of thinking. Men need to figure out where to go to get increase the possibilities of what they want. Perfection is probably not in the cards but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t get as close as possible.
Alan,
The feeling that I get, is that it an strategy a man could employ has been countered. Let the Tinderellas chase the men they love to insult.
RPG,
This may be the post you have been waiting for. It has all come full circle for Roosh.
Oops! Forgot the link.
http://www.rooshv.com/dating-doesnt-work
It is not so much that I agree with Roosh. It is that he is a witness to the times and writes.
Fuzzie, I feel really sorry for Roosh. I was so glad when I saw Bloom linked a couple of years ago that he was starting to get into the Bible and look for a religious girl.
I know people think it’s strange that a Christian (especially a virgin) would be ok with someone like Roosh, but it’s just a very odd double standard. Men can have a promiscous past and not have it affect them as much.
I think it’s affected Roosh a little too much 😦 but I was hoping he’d still be able to find someone good enough for him and marry her and start having babies.
Sad 😦
Stephanie,
Maybe it was what set him on his path. While I have only heard it from one source, Persian women can be pretty unforgiving. Also, he is never kind to the DC dating/nightclub scene.
Yea, Fuzzie, either way it’s sad to me for some reason. I’m a romantic at heart, I just want to see people happy pretty much.
Stephanie,
“Are there any more like you still at home?”
That is the highest praise a single man can offer to a married woman. There is a back story if you are interested.
Some random thoughts generated by reading through the thread – relating to what marriage was intended to be outside the Garden:
Suppose Solomon had been required to commit himself to only one woman.
Would he have stll been Solomon?
From the beginning, up until about five hundred years ago or sooner, when the only way you suvived was through your own human labor, what was the point of marriage? At a minimum, it was not the scenario dreamed up by Hallmark to sell more cards.
When the reasons for a man to take a wife have all but disappeared, problems are bound to appear. Roosh wants a wife for companionship (and “love”?). Roosh’s grandfather, 50 generations back, wanted a wife with whom he could create more farmers so they could til the fields and create something to eat.
Today is not the same ballgame as it has been up until recently. Marriage wasn’t designed just to satisfy the need of Hallmark to sell cards. Folks who approach it from the Hallmark Cards angle are bound to be disappointed.
If love is a verb, then it is correct to ask – what do tingles have to do with marriage? The focus needs to be on something else (admitting that there needs to be sexual tension for a modern marriage to work). Roosh is searching for an answer many other folks have had for generations. I guess if you don’t see it, it doesn’t really exist for you. Until it wallops you upside the head, like it seems to have done to Roosh.
Why does a man take a wife? Because life is hard, and two sets of hands are much better than one. Plus the farmers you can create with a wife, that can help til the land. Find someone that the community admires and thinks is honorable and join together in building a life for yourselves out of the nastiness that is life outside of the Garden. As is discussed in the Roosh article linked to above – then you will have something … a bit more valuable than an N count above 500.
Do you suppose Adam brought flowers home to Eve as they struggled to survive outside the Garden? (Wonder if they also had an apple tree in the back yard.)
These and other things inquiring minds want to know.
(If a few folks respond to these loosely-connected thoughts, we can push the post count over 300.)
Solomon, if limited to only one wife, would have had a very much different life experience.
If flowers made Eve happy, I think he would have brought them home. I don’t think that he would have gone much out of his way.
Men don’t need to be reminded that living together requires teamwork.
@ fuzzie I am not expert here but the friends I had in my 20s who were single (I was married so never did the cc thing) all seemed to hope this one was going to be “the one.” It seemed like an incredibly backward strategy to sleep w practical strangers then hope the would fall in love w her but I saw many try to make that work. Only to be crushed when (of course) he didn’t call. Maybe some women do so just for the not h count but from what I saw they thought it was “how this works.” Sadly. Of course it didn’t work…
RPG,
I just don’t know anymore. It used to be that women looked for boyfriends. That Tinder video opened my eyes to a whole different side of women that I did not like. Maybe it is all my fault for being what Tarn call a “cinnamon roll”.
Regarding the Roosh article:
I knew that dating was useless, in terms of finding a life long companion, 20 yrs ago when I was an undergrad. And I lived within a strong religious community that promoted it and expected it.
Dating is and was to artificial to be a good method if finding a spouse.
I will admit that back in the day I did go on a some dates and my hopes were pretty high on those dates, but the reality was, those dates were nothing but a couple of young people trying to impress each other; more or less.
Of the girls I dated only made it to 3 second dates. And I never dated any of the girls who became my girlfriends.
goFigure, i just don’t get it though. I mean, yes I can see how dating maybe isn’t the “best” way possible to meet a mate… but it definitely seems to work right?? I mean all the people who got married did so through dating!
I’m missing some logical piece of this argument lol. It works… I don’t understand why people say it “doesn’t” work.
???
Stephanie,
Not everyone get married by dating; like me for example. I was engaged before I took her on a date.
Yes there are people that make dating work. It is not because the process itself is efficient. It works because two people are determined enough to make it work.
The best way to make it work is to get through the formal dating stage and into the informal dating/hanging out/chilling stage as quickly as possible. Once you are at this stage you will actually have a chance to get to know the person you are interested in. Of course, that assumes you want to get to know them. From what I observe, most people don’t actually want to know who they are dating and for a lot of people they don’t seem to really know who they are marring either. As long as they are hot and fun.
Of course it the formal dating process is skipped entirely, you end up with women wondering if this is a date, wondering if they are in a relationship, etc. I found for myself it you are clear were you stand that a woman does not seem to get these jitters and is completely content skipping the whole dating thing.
Understand that my take is from one person, that is very introverted. I would guess that more extroverted people have more fun with dating and it may work for them much better than it does for the introverted people. You would need to ask others about that.