I recently picked up the book, “Seven Habits of Highly Effective People” at a secondhand shop after hearing about it for years. I have only read two chapters so far but it’s packed with simple but really profound insight. And while it’s not a relationship book, it certainly could be.
According to the author success comes not from luck or chance, but from doing, acting, and being those things that lead to success. And equally important, not doing things that don’t.
Want a successful relationship? Then you must not simply want it, but BE it. Be someone who takes the steps and acts in ways that lead to a successful relationship.
While it sounds simple, how many people today truly do this?
Further he says while society today often looks to outside sources or to others to “grant” success, it’s really only something that comes from within. YOU have to take the small but steady daily steps to develop success creating behaviors then make them consistent habits. Not your spouse (although ideally they do so too), not society, but YOU.
Are you consistently being, doing, and acting in ways that create relationship success? If not, you’ll never get there.
The same applies to all kinds of situations, from health to parenting to work to goals. To get the outcome you desire, make sure you are behaving in a way that will get you there, not just wishing, wanting, and hoping it will somehow happen.
I know I have identified ways I can up my game. Join me! 🙂
For a person to succeed they must first have a clear definition of success. It is due to an unclear or poorly perceived vision of success that many attempts at success fail.
So what is success, and since this is a Red Pill blog, I would ask what is a successful marriage, relationship, etc.?
I’ve been married 30+ years and would consider my marriage successful, others may not and would say that it is headed for the crapper.
Yep, have that book ❤ it's still good to go through and re-read books like that because I find I still get tempted to fall back into bad behaviors that he mentions if I'm not careful. It's such a great book though – I love how he explained things and how to create "win-win" situations… and then how sometimes you can't and you have to have a walk-away option.
You could apply it to dating (for men) in that they will have to view the "deal" they could get with a certain woman or many kinds of modern day women and go for the "no-deal" option of walking away… hence "MGTOW."
Roman Lance,
Not sure if you’re read the book, but Stephen Covey goes into that pretty deeply, which I love. He really tries to get the reader to outline what they want and view as “success.”
“For a person to succeed they must first have a clear definition of success. It is due to an unclear or poorly perceived vision of success that many attempts at success fail.”
^^If you believe this, then you’d like that book probably. 😉
Roman good point. Very true, and you are right, “successful relationship” likely is defined by different people differently. I guess what struck me on reading it was how many women I know who focus on what their PARTNER is or isn’t doing, needs to change or fix, etc. They can detail all that down to the finest minutiae. But ask them what they could do different and some can’t even come up with one thing! Instead of focusing on their partner, they should focus on themselves, asking if their own behavior is leading toward relationship success or failure? What and how they could improve. Then not just list those things, but start DOING them! Change creates change. Too many wait for their partner to change but take no steps toward positive change themselves in the meantime.
@stephanie
I imagine I would like it.
I haven’t read it, but I do have a mission and measurements for what I consider successful accomplishments within that mission.
The world may not see me as “successful”, I’m a SAHD, but I don’t let that thought keep me from doing what is proper within my mission scope.
And I agree, changing one’s own self is paramount to achieving success. I made a drastic change two decades ago, and while I have not always been successful in my small attempts to improve, the net change has resulted in children better prepared for life as a Traditional Catholics.
Another side benefit of the changes has been a stronger bond with my wife (subjective reality) and the objective fact that everywhere I take my children, most recently an emergency visit I had make to the hospital, they continue to make me look good by their respectful demeanor and polite interaction with people outside the house; people who voluntarily offer compliments as to how extremely well behaved my children are.
They hospital staff was surprised because they couldn’t imagine seven children in an enclosed hospital room being so quiet and respectful of others that they didn’t even know they were there.
They make me proud. 🙂
The previous comment should probably have been directed to Red Pill Girl, as I was reading her comment while responding.
oops! 🙂
Sounds like a success to me Roman! 🙂
Wow!!! Seven children!!! That’s amazing, sounds like the Bontrapp family lol 😀 Definitely a success like Bloom says.
“The world may not see me as “successful”, I’m a SAHD, but I don’t let that thought keep me from doing what is proper within my mission scope.”
You know one of the men I greatly respect in this world, Stefan Molyneaux, is a SAHD and he’s one of the main leading Red Pill youtube men. You’d probably really relate to him!
Thanks for the supportive sentiment, its nice to “hear”. Been feeling kinda down since my stroke and subsequent discovery of an inoperable aneurysm.
I know, buzzkill right. 🙂
Oh well, onward and all that.
While life is a work in progress, there is a popular expectation that people can buy the finished product.
Sounds like a great book, I might have to check it out.
It’s Cinderella Day at our house today!!! 🙂
Ame,
Is everyone Cinderella, except your husband?
Does everyone have to be in bed before midnight or turn into pumpkins?
Fuzzie – LOL!
actually … sweet Husband did help today b/c my mother’s coming in this weekend, and i’m a bit on the extreme side of stressed!!! (and he’s had the week off, so it didn’t pile onto his work 🙂 ).
Roman – wow. so sorry to hear that. i will pray for you and your family.
i greatly admire those of you who have many children; it’s not something i could have done and done well.
and, yes, children can be trained. it’s especially delightful to be around respectful children when they are responding to training in love rather than training in fear 🙂
LOL Ame… whenever I’m cleaning the floors… this ALWAYS plays in my head. So funny!
I’m so sorry Roman Lance 😥 definitely will be praying for you. I don’t think you ever have to worry about being a “buzz kill” at Bloom’s… very sorry to hear this though.
@ Stephanie @ Ame
Thanks for the offer of prayers. I consider myself fortunate that it didn’t mess with my mobility, though I’m now functionally deaf in one ear and hard of hearing in the other. I could have been worse, I’m grateful it wasn’t.
Well I reckon I am a fairly successful man, mostly because I don’t buy into the self help bullshit like this
@ton
I call bullshit on your bullshit and raise you a HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
How often do you attack people for not pulling themselves up by their pants? How often to you belittle others because ain’t a mannin’ up and sheet?
All those crap comments you make are directed towards getting others to step up to the plate and take care of their problems in self directed way. What is that if it’s not an advocation for people “helping themselves.”
Don’t be a dick.
well . . . except for the self-help and advice given of The Ton! 🙂
@ Ton true you don’t seem the type to read the book but you do seem to naturally do what this book advocates which is to take ownership, stop making excuses, and get re done!
Sorry to hear of your health issues Roman and I too am glad to hear it’s not worse. Sending good healing vibes your way!
I might be a dick but you are a fool if you think what I do is the same as the hucksters who make money selling magic thinking to folks who need some old school country wisdom and/ or Ranger the fuck up
Wonder what a self help book written Ton would look like I do
“Wonder what a self help book written Ton would look like I do”
Second that lol.
Roman Lance, he’s the way he is. There is no changing the SFC Ton.
Self help by The Ton
1)Shut the fuck up
2)Read Proverbs and the Stoics…. aply to all aspects of life
3)Read the books by the Monks of New Skete….aply to women, kids, subordinates and dogs
4)Buy a Game bred Pit Bull
5)Watch how he lives
6)Ranger the fuck up by duplicating his behaviour
7)Charlie Mike
Hey Ton how about I ghostwrite your book for you? 🙂
@Stephanie: left a comment for you re. Sunshine at the end of Spawney’s “Red Pill Classroom …” thread.
Most of the successful people in my life that I have known personally were “successful” in a way that they hadn’t started out to be. In considering the concept of success, in any venue (life, relationship, children, etc.), it is important to keep that concept in mind.
It is important to keep the concept of planning and goal setting and implementing tactics in mind. But also pay attention to the folks (most folks?) who say “I started out to do ‘X’ in life, and never got what I was after (spouse; children; job). But, oh my goodness, what I ended up with is so much more and so much better than what I was aiming for initially. Mostly because, when I was starting out, I didn’t know enough to be able to imagine what I ended up with.”
There is this wisdom: “Success” = preparedness meeting opportunity.
Can’t really ever have success without either preparedness or opportunity. Therefore, Covey and Ton are both describing different parts of the same elephant.
There is no way anyone can predict the path that life will take for them (hello RL). Therefore, a fundamental, foundational preparedness is crucial. Learn the basics, the things that will enable you to learn on the fly what you need in the moment.
Life is a process of constant learning. Therefore, establishing feedback loops is crucial. Don’t be afraid to abandon what is not working in favor of trying something else. But you won’t know it’s not working unless you have some sort of feedback loop in place and pay attention to it. Same thing for the stuff that is working, actually. How will you know its working if you don’t have a feedback loop and pay attention to it?
“I want what they have” might be sort-of-useful in a goal-setting way. But it can also stunt your growth, if you are actually capable of ending up with so much more than what “they have” but don’t know it yet. And – don’t want to put words in Ton’s mouth – but I think that is at least part of what he was getting at.
@Bloom: Hey Ton how about I ghostwrite your book for you?
I thought those seven points were his book. What more is there to say? 😉
I used to read a chapter of Proverbs a night, handy as there is one for each day in a month. There truly is just about everything g one needs to know packed in there and I would notice something different each time! I am going to start doing that nightly reading again.
That’s what I was thinking RP….unless we wanted to add hyperlinks so the extra lazy don’t have to track down the books
“I am going to start doing that nightly reading again.”
A quote from Proverbs, and then “How is that idea playing out in your life?” might be good topics for threads from time to time. Introduce folks to Proverbs who don’t know what is there.
Let them know that there really is nothing new under the sun.
(See what I did there?? Ecclesiastes would probably provide good fodder for thought also.)
@Ton
“I might be a dick but you are a fool if you think what I do is the same as the hucksters who make money selling magic thinking…”
You encourage and advocate for a change of mind-set, so do the “hucksters”. I too encourage a mind-set change in most people as well. I’m Catholic I would like to see everyone enter the Catholic Church, but for that to happen a mind-set change is necessary.
I also realize that no lasting change of mind-set is going to occur without the actor applying some effort (coupled with God’s grace). That is the self-help aspect of personal change. And that is the similarity between what you present through declarative statements and what the hucksters try to present through convincing dialectic that I was pointing out.
Richard, your comment at 6:07 was great. Great reminders! The feedback loop is really interesting to me… hmm.
Catholic Church? Gross
Today’s Proverbs! Lots of good stuff! https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+18&version=NKJV
The Monks book sounds interesting but do you think that’s more for guys?
Ton,
You are getting to be remarkably consistent. It is getting so that you can’t make a comment without making someone angry and demonstrating contempt. I don’t think the KKK would look on you as an asset. You are an embarrassment.
Ladies,
If this is what gets your motors running, it is a lot easier to understand why marriage and birth rates are falling through the floor.
About Catholics,
This is right up there with the Alamo and Thermopylae.
Then, there is this too.
For Stephanie. Sort of OT to this thread, but kinda not.
I followed someone’s link to Scott’s new thread that linked to Elspeths thread, where somewhere in the comments there was a link that I followed (through maybe another link or two) and ended up at Stephanie’s blog. Where she made reference to President Obama and his statement “you didn’t build that”. To Stephanie, and anyone else who thinks that is what he said, I invite you to read through the “Speech” section of this Wikipedia link: Collective Effort
“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. … Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business – YOU DIDN’T BUILD THAT. Somebody else made that happen. (“You didn’t build that” refers to the roads and bridges mentioned in the previous sentence) … The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.” (From the Wikipedia link)
Stephanie has a blog. But she did not create computers. She did not invent a safe way to make use of electricity that powers the computers. She did not build the schools that taught the people that taught Stephanie how to spell. She did not build the roads that enabled the computer to be delivered from the manufacturer to her home. etc.
Stephanie has a blog. But she would not have one without all of the folks mentioned in the previous paragraph, plus a host of others not mentioned. Stephanie has a blog, but she alone is not responsible for its existance.
We stand on the shoulders of others. We build nothing by ourselves. What we build is always made possible by what others before us (or beside us) have built.
So – go out into the desert of the Australian outback or the Great White North, with only your body and nothing else, not even clothes. Now – survive … through nothing but your own efforts. Not possible. Because whatever we build depends on the efforts of the thousands of people that first created whatever it is that we use to keep ourselves alive. If you don’t have those things first, you will be dead before you even get started.
No man is an island. You didn’t build that by yourself. Basically saying the same thing.
my mom came, stayed a few hours, then left.
my Oldest, who hasn’t seen nor talked to her in over 8 years said to me after she left, “Mom, you’re nothing at all like your mom.” Youngest agreed.
***SUCCESS!!!***
Ame, how far did she come – just to turn around and leave??
Ame,
Take the rest of the night off and tomorrow too, if possible. Watch something silly on TV.
@Fuzzie
Thanks the link to the story of the Swiss Guard…I love the song.
Roman Lance,
I was unaware of it until recently. It does tie in to our history. The Pope was being attacked by Carlos V whose sister was Catherine of Aragon. That is why Henry VIII could not get a divorce to marry Anne Boleyn.
RichardP – she used to live 3 day’s drive away, and that was nice b/c i knew i’d never see her. she recently moved to live in the same town as one of my sisters and is now one day’s drive away. she is sleeping at my other sister’s who lives not too far from me. she came down b/c she had some stuff she wanted to give us, and our sister wanted it out of her garage. so she came down for 3 nights – but i only had to see her today for a few hours. so thankful that’s all – my stress levels can’t handle any more than that.
my parents, among other things, are a great ‘case study’ in blue pill, hippie, use-the-bible-to-justify-myself, selfishness, narcissism, passive-aggressive extreme, etc.
Fuzzie – just want the Bear ordered! i think i’ll take your advice. heading to bed early – i’m sure i’ll actually sleep through the night tonight 🙂 … perhaps i should go into a mini hibernation 😉
i’ll pre-order that book!
Ame,
Stress is dangerous. You notice it when in is piling on and it does that gradually. When it comes off, it does it all at once. You need to be careful then.
Fuzzie – yeah. i’m always, always a wreck before, during, and after visits with either of my parents. it was a rough week earlier, and it will probably take a week to de-stress. sucks. thankfully my Husband is wonderful and amazing and kind and loves me beyond what i can ever imagine and is so patient with me 🙂
Ame’s advice of the day … don’t be parents like hers. don’t be such terrible people that you make your kids sick when you visit them.
@ fuzzie you just described the past few years of my life. Now that the crisis is over I am finally feeling a lot of stuff I couldn’t feel at the time. It’s been weird but I am just letting it flow out and away…. Good riddance to that phase!
Hugs Ame and indeed! I never want to be that mom!
and that’s success 🙂
(((hugs))) to you, too. letting go of all that stress and leaving it behind is amazing 🙂
I am glad that I was able to say something that was well received.
Ame, I am sorry that your parents are that way.
RPG, glad that it is all in your past.
The books by the Monks are about raising puppies and dogs. Probably the best books on Frame around.
Fuzzie do you realize every negative thing the KKK etc predicted has come true? Of course you don’t because you don’t have the man parts to deal with the truth. The Catholic church has been terrible for the USA, was a heavy weight in the leftist/ progressive/ Marxist machine that created so much of the dysfunction we are currently enjoying here in what use to be the usa and right now, every day, works to bring in more 3rd world invaders, works to protect rapists over the children they rape and all sorts of good stuff like that. That’s your team Fuzzie and you are welcome to them
RP, I get the standing on the shoulders of giants deal, reckon Newton wasn’t wrong very often, but let’s face it, that’s not what Obama meant with that statement of you didn’t build it.
Obama’s real mess’s was “Government useful it is”
Much of government needed it is
Vast amounts detrimental it would be.
Try to conflate the two he did
Apparently the Dark Side controlling spell checkers it is
“Message” above it should be
I posted this at Spawney’s – but will post here and at Scott’s for those who might appreciate the feedback.
Stephanie – got a response from Sunshine.
“Glad to here things are going well for your daughter!
Though I just don’t have time to blog right now, I went ahead and opened my site back up. Someday I may get back to blogging again.
Happy Thanksgiving!”
So – She’s alive, seems to be well, and is busy doing grown-up stuff. Good to hear.
@Ton: “that’s not what Obama meant with that statement of you didn’t build it.”
Yeah … be careful that what you accussed fuzzie of a few posts above doesn’t end up being true of you.
I quoted Obama’s exact words (third paragraph in my post above). If you are good at reading comprehension, it will be obvious that “you didn’t build that” refered exactly to the words in his previous sentence. The larger point he was making, with regard to the infrastructure put in place through the use of taxes that we all pay, is that we all benefit from things built by others and with others money. Anyone who has built a business or a church congregation or anything did so in large part because roads and bridges exist. Except where private roads have been built with private money, no one could build any sort of enterprise of any size or merit if roads and bridges didn’t exist. And, for the most part, they exist only because someone else built them through the use of our tax dollars.
You may have built your built your business, but you didn’t build the roads and bridges (and other stuff) that made it possible to build your business. Taxes, other people’s money, and other people’s efforts, are what made it possible for you to build your business. Obama was making a pitch for increasing the taxes on the wealthy.
Ton – not trying to be snarky here – but how you handle your response here (if you respond) is going to tie directly to how you responded to fuzzie above. If you hold to what you said to fuzzie above, and you hold to your response to me, you are going to be outed as a hypocrite. Holding fast to a “belief” – not because of the proof available – but because you don’t want to let go of your belief. Your response on this issue is either going to prove fuzzie right, or you right. There will be no ambiguity left.
I can’t really believe that you walked into this with your eyes open. It’s not that I have a dog in your tiff with fuzzie. It’s that I was dumfounded when I saw your response so hard on the heels of what you had just said to fuzzie. Happy Thanksgiving, and all that.
The logic in my response to Ton above is also visible in the quote attributed to President Reagan “Government is the problem”.
If you read his speech, you will see that his quote was much more careful than what people attribute to him. Like Obama, discussed above, Reagan was making a larger point, and that point is lost on those who wish to misuse his words for their own reasons.
When reading Reagan’s speech, you can see that he actually said “… IN THIS SPECIFIC INSTANCE, government is the problem”.
That was a much more careful statement, and necessarily so, than what people quote him as saying.
The comments by fuzzie above about Catherine of Aragon and Anne Boleyn put me in the mind of “The Six Wives of Henry VIII” by Rick Wakeman. Given that Thanksgiving approaches, and nice music is good to hear sometimes, and folks have expressed gratitude above that today is better than yesterday (through grace) here is Rick Wakeman (and Cat Stevens),
Bloom, I don’t want to populate this thread with YouTube videos. I’m hoping that just the links show up here, and not the videos. If something goes awry and the videos do show up, feel free to delete this entire post.
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The song “Morning Has Broken” was a huge hit for Cat Stevens. The tune is a Scottish one (Bunessan), with lyrics by Eleanor Farjeon, that only takes about 45 seconds to play through. So Cat Stevens turned to the keyboard player for Yes, Rick Wakeman, who was in an adjoining studio practicing Catherine Howard. Stevens liked the theme he heard from Catherine and asked Wakeman to expand on part of it and create something to expand Morning Has Broken to the 3-minute benchmark required by radio before they would play a song. So Wakeman did as asked and that is his creation and him playing the piano on one of Cat Steven’s biggest sellers. Rick wasn’t credited for his contribution. But he was the only one who could play it.
Morning Has Broken
Bunessan
Catherine Howard
Stevens and Wakeman mashup
Eleanor Farjeon
Amazing Grace
Wakeman and daughter. Posted just because it is lovely.
The Six Wives of Henry VIII (Full Album 1973)
Yay!!!
That “Yay” was in response to posting something with links, hoping they didn’t all show up as videos. They did not. They just showed up as links. But right now the post is awaiting moderation – so you maybe only see my “Yay” and not the previous post with links.
RP
There is nothing in Obama’s background, or the background of any prominent leftist, that lends me to believe he was only talking about the surface topic of infrastructure and the need for taxes to pay for it. We know when the governments increase taxes they don’t spend the money on new roads and the like. They spend the money on transfer payments, vote buying and what not.
I am not particularly anti tax. I am anti government, regardless of who the PTOUS, regardless if it is nominally ran by donkeys or elephants, on the grounds it is unintentionally corrupt and incompetent at best and we can be damn sure the money from any new taxes will be pissed away
Nor do I advocate spending more money on the military since that money would be squandered too.
Tldr they are fucking liars and crooks and you can’t trust any of them to spend the money wisely or on what they claim
“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. … Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business – YOU DIDN’T BUILD THAT. Somebody else made that happen. (“You didn’t build that” refers to the roads and bridges mentioned in the previous sentence) …
Perhaps meant “roads and bridges” he does
But piss poor wording he has
Wonder if intentional this was I do
Fair certian master Yoda it was intentional and the intention was some version of anti White anti masculine shaming attempt as that also fits Obama etc all world view
Let’s keep in mind that there could be multiple levels of meaning to “you didn’t build it.”
Let’s not let discussions melt down to the personal level ok? I don’t have time to police comments and I really don’t want to.
If everyone could agree to disagree that would be great.
RichardP,
Ton does not respond to reason or logic. He seems to be immune to it.
There is a new post at Spawny’s
https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2017/11/20/not-all-that-it-seems/
@ fuzzie… didn’t I ask everyone to not get personal? Please give it a rest… You have voiced your piece on Ton and he on you and so now please just agree to disagree, ok?
As someone who has worked really hard for over 10 years toward building my small corner of the American Dream, I actually have to say to govt., “yeah I built it despite regulation and needless govt. interference many steps of the way.” Yes the roads and bridges and power and trash are great, and that’s what I expect govt to do, but stay the heck out of my way as far as building my thing bc every time govt. noses in it costs 10 x as much and takes 10 x as long as it should! (Trust me I wasn’t always this jaded! It’s well earned!)
Also for those who haven’t lived it, it’s likely hard to imagine how govt. has gone from supporting the American Dream to making it damn near impossible on a mom or pop bootstrap level. The system is geared toward pay to play, not hard work building from scratch. Personally I believe wo that entry level for all, the whole thing will die. (Sorry, end rant!)
And for people who think they don’t own a small biz so they don’t need to worry about all that, the biz you work for small or large faces regulations and over regulations that make it harder for that biz to compete on a truly free market level. That means that biz has to pay towards regulation requirements instead of jobs. Maybe YOUR job. Yep! Nobody is immune from govt. overreach. Nobody can afford to think the govt. will build anything except more govt. and more taxes. The govt. does not create jobs, the private sector does. Trust me I saw the results of govt. creating jobs in China when I travelled there in the late 90s, and there was no initiative or ownership or pride or incentives there. Everyone was doing the minimum. That doesn’t build anything except mediocrity.
Ok I did say rant over so….one last thought…
Just let me build it. Seriously. I don’t need govt. “help” thanks. Bring services to my property as govt. should do then stay the heck out of it. We’ll all be better off, trust me! Free markets will weed out or reward what works or doesn’t wo govt. meddling. Let the market decide. (You guys have no idea what I have faced and experienced bc I don’t discuss it here but trust me, this is all very firsthand front line experience. If I had not experienced it myself I would not believe it!)
So I get why that sentence in context or not might set folks off…
For example, in a free market the consumers decide with their purchases who has a good product and who does not. When govt. inserts itself, the market then shifts to only those who can afford to get past barriers to entry, often not the best product or service. Perhaps govt. interference weeds out the worst this way but if the market were allowed to make that adjustment naturally it would be far better. (How often do you return to a biz or buy again a product that sucks? Never, right?)
RPG,
I didm’t see your comment until mine posted
No worries Fuzzie, please agree to disagree k?
Totally agree with you on the building your business thing Bloom. I don’t have any personal experience with that, but we have friends who are wonderful people who literally built up their own landscaping business and nursery (plus floral and wedding photography!). The work they’ve done, has been ALL them. And yes, the govt. “help” was really anti-help when it came to helping “build” their small business.
What they’ve done together over 30 years is incredible, and I got to see it from the inside even through working for them tending to their nursery plants for a year. So much admiration and respect for people who build their own businesses like that! Just amazing to watch and so fun to be apart of 😀
RPG,
Agreeing to disagree would only work among reasonable people. Ton is a bully and quite experienced with it. Bullies can’t be appeased.
Pussies always think men who hold them accountable to tradtional ,masculine standards are bullies.
What is a racist? Some one who is winning an argument with a Fuzzie. I am not immune to reason and logic; you have yet to present a logical argument. So far I have only seen you emote and bring out the same worn out lefist attacks.
That Catholic church of the modern era doesn’t protect a Christian West from moslem invaders; the Catholic church of today advocates for moslems to invade Europe. Same applies for the massive wave of 3rd worlders invader America.
The Catholic church was a key voting block for enacting the leftist agenda in the usa, and has been since the late 1800’s.
The catholic countries of the world gave women the vote before WASP America; they allowed gay marriage in Catholic nations before America and so on and so on. Not to mention how the Catholic church likes to protect the child rapists wearing their uniform
I didnt grow up being anti papist. Same for being an anti semtie.I learned to dislike the Catholic church etc because it operates in deeply hostile way toward the culture, language, land, folks ways and people I love. Not to mention corrput and biblically shaky. Not being a pussy, i actively oppose those who are hell bent in harming me and mine and our way of life.
The list of reasons to suspect the Catholic church is a mile long. Where is your list to offset what I say?
I am sick of your pussy ass snipping Fuzzie. Be a man and lay out a counter arguement
Ton,
I do believe that you have proven my point better than I could.
whoa, Fuzzie … it caught up with me today. my body totally crashed 😦 … hopefully tomorrow will be a better day 🙂
Another early night? Sleep well.
@Fuzzie, here’s my advice.
STFU.
On the socio-sexual scale, Ton is an alpha. In contrast, I’m not, I’m a sigma. That’s almost exactly like saying he’s an ENTJ and I’m an INTJ. Believe it or not, neither of us are bullies. You, on the other hand, defy description. My best guess is low delta.
I do not believe for a moment that you have the life experience (I’m not referring to intellectual capacity) to understand where either Ton or I are coming from. While our messages come from two different directions, it’s essentially the same because we both speak the truth.
Now, Fuzzie, understand what I am saying. Your life experience is so limited as to be useless in terms of decision-making when it comes to women. Both Ton and I have gone to great lengths at various times to explain things to you, but you are so hardheaded that you don’t want to listen. You argue, based on nothing. You cling to your blue-pill beliefs.
However, there comes a time at which one’s breaking point is reached and you already hit that point with Ton. You’re rapidly approaching mine. The problem is that I don’t think it’s your fault. I’m convinced that you are so spergy that you’re approaching functional autistic. That isn’t an insult, it’s an armchair diagnosis.
The easiest thing for you to do is recognize that Ton operates on a completely different plane of existence and leave him alone.
@Ton
On the Catholic church, I agree with SFC Barry, the only thing necessary for peace in Latin America is to put the Jesuits up against the wall and shoot all of them. In general, I’d expand it beyond Latin America.
Hello all … checked in just now for the first time in … what .. a month ? Ton you got your dick guard timer running like the last time I checked in ? Got it down to the minute ? You know … spying on anyone who doesn’t buy your “ALPHA” game and who calls you out on your shit. How long’s it been ? Please spit out the ton-spy-o-meter … you know its running .. please tell the world. How long’s it been since I last checked in …
Or … maybe you should get Spawny to run interference and cover your lying ass again. Yeah, we know you’re just a prick. A lying prick. A two faced lying prick. But I digress to the last time I was here. You were an ASSHOLE then and now that I checked in again …. it didn’t take long to get caught up and find … NO SURPRISE … YOU”RE STILL AN LYING PRICK. And I must say that it seems I got a vote on my side now because even Fuzzie has realized that you’re nothing but a blow hard asshole spouting his mouth off. All I got to say on that is … Fuzzie … what took you so long ?
But that’s all. Sorry for the disruption, folks. RPG is still trying to speak wisdom to women. My life is still going well. Life with the GF is great. Losers like Ton are still losers. And some who prefer and really, really, really prefer to remain neutral … eventually realize there some dudes are really just lying pricks. Fuzzie, that’s you. And some … dudes may seem like pricks … but they are really just pissed at the hand they were dealt. By society, by women, and by lying pricks like Ton.
That about it ? Yeah … so maybe I can get banned here too. Spawny don’t want me no more … too much speaking the truth .. I guess. Maybe RPG is the same. Ton is a prick. So I call him a prick. And I get banned. And the prick gets to continue to be a prick … cause he’s got friends. And the honest dudes speaking the truth … yeah, they get banished. Seems like how it works these days …
Oh, forgot to mention … Ton … not going to be back for another month or so … so you got a free shot to kick me in the nuts when I’m not looking. Like you did before. And before. Cowards gonna be cowards and all. Most men know how cowards behave … only act when the victim can’t defend himself. So see you in a month or so … or maybe never … so kick me in the nads … like pathetic faggots do … so we’ll all know the score.
All of you are very different people from very different backgrounds w very different experiences in life. Personally I have learned something from each of you, very different things. I don’t always agree w everything everyone says but rather than call it out I just let it pass. I am sure I say stuff some of you disagree w. As I have said a few times I’d prefer people just ignore what they disagree over rather than get into it ove “who’s right.” Often as a third party I can see maybe one person says something and someone else misunderstands or takes it personal and that causes problems. All of it really annoys me to be honest. So please, again, for me, please don’t go there. Let’s keep it general, not personal. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion.
RPG,
It is all about “Alpha Male Of the Group”, AMOG. While you would think that all of us as commenters on your would be presumed equal status, some have to lord their egos over others. Hence, Ton believes he has the authority to “correct” others.
Toad,
I don’t want what you or Ton are selling. That he put you up to speak for him doesn’t say much.
Mega,
Thanks for the kind words. Still, I have no idea what Ton did to you to set you off. It is good to know that he has done that to more than one of us.
I am a day late on the news. I hadn’t known that Charlie Manson had passed. By anyone’s definition, he was a true alpha. This was his favorite song.
With my last comment to RPG, I wanted to go silent. I made an exception to respond to Ame, but Toad had to speak in Ton’s place.
To me the bottom line is that many of us do too much reading and not enough doing.
All the reading in the world is useless without taking what you’ve learned and applying it to your life.
Yes… doing is much more fun…
I’ve got a house full of boys right now – running around like crazy and we’re about to decorate cookies with icing 😀
Hope y’all have a happy Thanksgiving!
Stephanie – you are one bold Mamma! all that sugar-high!!! have fun 🙂 🙂 🙂 great memories 🙂
Regarding Obama’s ‘You Didn’t Build That’ assertion…what his formulation ignores is that ‘people working together’ is not a synonym for ‘government.’ Families are based on human cooperation, so are businesses and a whole range of useful organizations. Schools and universities existed long before government got involved with them. Volunteer fire departments were created prior to municipal governments getting involved in such things, and are still operating in many areas.
The US railroad network was built without much involvement by government (other than the original stealing of the land from the Indians.) Electrification of the country had little to do with government prior to the 1930s and even then was only a primary factor in certain areas. These things are examples of large-scale human cooperation not driven by government mandates.
Obama evidently approves of Barney Frank’s statement that ‘Government is simply the name we give to the things we choose to do together’ (since this statement was used in a campaign video that he (Obama) used in 2012’….it is a statement that betrays great poverty of understanding in comprehending the varieties of human interaction.
You are full of shit Fuzzie. You made a dig at me after RPG asked us to let things be. Then you wouldn’t even make a half hearted attempt to prove my posistion unreasonable.
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The rail roads where built by government bonds, land grants and tax money. Which is why lincoln wouldn’t back down on the tariff.
Ton,
‘Land Grants’, indeed, this is what I was referring to by ‘the original stealing of the land from the Indians’…also correct that part of the transcontinental railroad financing was by some form of government bonds, which had to be and actually were repaid. But there was a lot of financial investment also by the original entrepreneurs and other investors…don’t have $ figures at hand as to how much from where and whom. My point isn’t that the RRs were an example of pure capitalism, but they were largely driven by business, and didn’t wait for some Office of Transportation Planning to give the orders as to what to build and where, in which case we might either still be waiting or have some very strange routes based on purely political considerations.
Another interesting example of co-operation which is not government driven is the food market. Apparently, Russian visitors tothe US back in the day found it impossible to conceive that there was *no central authority* responsible for the distribution of food in (for example) New York City. Again, you can’t call the US food industry pure capitalism, given farm subsidies, etc, but it makes the point that people can cooperate on a very large scale in ways that are not top-down driven by some government agency.
And what does all this have to do with “the secret to success” or educating blue pill women on red pill.
People, lets take it off line. RPG isnt earning new lurkers, views with this thread.
Lets be respectful of her house as she has repeatedly asked.
There is a new post at Spawny’s
https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2017/11/22/the-last-mile/
Au revoir
David I think we agree on facts but not on the size of the impact