Prince Harry, second son of Prince Charles and Princess Diana just announced his engagement to an American born actress, Meghan Markle.
Harry is 33, Meghan is a 36-year-old divorcee.
Meghan’s parents also divorced when she was 6. Her father had two children from a previous marriage, a son and a daughter, both of whom have had trouble with the law. The brother for putting a gun to his financee’s head during a drunken argument and the sister for phone stalking, harassing, and threatening her ex.
The sister didn’t have kind words about the news, calling Meghan a “Narccisist” and a “social climber.” The sister plans to write a book about her life with the “pushy princess.”
Meghan’s mother, who is African American, had only one child, Meghan.
Compared to past royal matches, Meghan seems an unlikely candidate, not being Brittish, or royal, or previously unmarried.
Perhaps the royal family is trying to become more mainstream?
While I always want to wish couples well, this match is not sounding like a wise one on Harry’s part from a red pill point of view. Hopefully they beat the odds rather than become another statistic.
What do you think? Please share in the comments!
Notes From a Red Pill Girl 
I hate to sound crude, but she’s like a “6” and not even a prominent actress. This guy can’t do better?
This is like the epitome of beta bux and this guy doesn’t have a clue. Female egos everywhere must be skyrocketing with the news that they could be next in line to marry royalty.
He’s a royal idiot. Throwing away at least 20-30 more years of getting super premium, prime-age women throwing themselves at him for a used-up never-was.
Perhaps he’s practically following in his father’s footsteps. These things are pretty much temporary now, even among the rich and famous.
His dad was pretty well known for his affairs and apparently cheated on Diana with his current wife, like a decade or two before they were married (she was also married at the time). The famous “royaly” sure are weird.
Interesting fact. His mother was 36 when she died, the same age of his bride to be.
Total gold digger. the “playboy” settled down…not by his own volition he didn’t.
I like the royal family,but for me the rot set in with Fergie. Royalty only used to marry royalty. However these days there are no single protestant princesses. Diana was chosen because she was British,a protestant and had no ex-boyfriends to spill embarrassing things to the tabloids. I am surprised that the queen did not object to her grandson marrying a black person though.
Yes things did change w Fergie. And I always felt for Diana. I was disappointed when Charles and Camilla got together. To think they were carrying on the whole time behind Diana’s back… Not very dignified. I wonder if Meghan will have kids, if so it’s likely they will start right away. I do like Kate and William and hope they are happy. They seem to represent a positive marriage and family.
I also think the royal family is trying to be “progressive” by allowing marriages like Camilla (the mistress, divorced) Kate (not Royal) and now Meghan. But as we have seen, progressivism may be lauded at the time but ends up leading things down a path w consequences often worse than before. I suppose we’ll watch it play out.
Lol. You redpill women are so trapped. You believe the crap that subpar, insecure men tell you to lower their need to court. I love that Harry is a sincere figure even while among elitist. Secondly any actress who has a regular job as a tv show at all is successful. That is no small feat especially for a woman of color.
Trying to say she is a “6” by standards of some fairy tale sexual market that redpill men (who hate women by the way) made up to lower your standards is misguided. That whole system is set up for women to try to prove themselves to men without men having to lift a finger. It’s vain, hallow, and scientifically unsound.
She did everything that redpill men hate and feel insecure about. She married up, has a successful career, did not lower herself to other people’s racial or gender standards to support white women as EVERYONE’s prized pony for breeding. She had high self-esteem and she let that guide her mate of choice and it worked!
And news flash, MANY royal and aristocratic european blood lines ALREADY have black blood in them.
Whether you wish them well or not they will do just fine for the simple fact that they don’t let others or their environment define them! Take this moment and learn something!
I know a young lady who wanted the perfect man while she was a 4 maybe 5 at best. She found someone but she was always angry because he was needy (I think that means he wanted to be around her) and called him a douche. Then she found another man who she wanted around more often but he was distant, didn’t read her mind or meet her needs, so another relationship ended.
Now she has decided she will never marry and is apparently studying how to treat men who want to cut their who-ha’s off and pretend to be a woman.
In short she is bitter and angry that she will likely never have the child for whom she has mentally purchased all the cute baby clothes.
This marriage will only go to convince other woman, like the one I mentioned, that they really can wait until later in life to find an actual prince charming with whom they can commit.
And don’t think the Femtards won’t be pushing that as the nuptials get closer.
End result, more cat shelter’s visited by lonely old cat ladies who don’t need a man. Women who could never be satisfied with…good enough.
Pruplepillgirl:
Eek! Angers.
Red pill men don’t hate it at all. They expect it, and usually exploit it. I just find it laughable because he can do way better. Really don’t care if you agree or not.
No need to blame redpill women for being “trapped”. None of the ladies said anything that you should be judgmental about. Aim your anger towards the guys here because that’s where it really seems to come from.
I mean, she might be a “7” with a bit of makeup on. Does that make you feel better? I think that you have a problem with men judging women on appearance, yet probably think that it’s acceptable when women judge men. Are you bent out of shape because you don’t even meet her standards and are a solid “5” so you take it personally? What’s the issue here?
I suspect that the comment on race was probably just a generalization that there are old fashioned opinions on the matter. I don’t really personally care about her race.
On the need to court; I’m neither a PUA, nor am I courting anyone at the moment. Just came out of divorce with a woman I clearly lowered my standards for. So believe what you want to believe. I won’t be lowering my standards again, and neither should the 5th in line for the royal throne.
I’m sure she’s a wonderful woman, but personally I’d neither marry a divorcee nor a would I date a liberal. Already was married to a liberal. Whether you agree with this political opinion or not, I feel that being complacent with the progressive initiatives is the death-knell for the western world. At least he’s only 5th in line for the throne 😉 .
I should have clarified one more thing in my original opinion on the matter.
I’d also never marry a 36 year old if I wanted to have kids. Just saying it makes sense for a man to marry someone younger, especially (gee whiz) if he wants to carry on the royal bloodline. You can make the typical claims of “OMG RP MISOGYNY!” but it’s just the facts of biology. If your own biology angers you, don’t blame us. It’s normal for women to make babies, and it’s biologically normal for men to prefer younger women for this reason. She simply doesn’t appeal to me and is thus a “6” or a “7” (on a good day). Its for the same reasons that you probably like tall and muscular guys that make lots of $$$ but aren’t likely to have one.
Coincidentally, I was just listening to an old Stefan Molyneux video called “Feminist Straw Woman Attacks!” where some British woman gets triggered about men rating women on physical appearance and compared women to magpies who want to “collect pretty things and look pretty” or something like that. His counter-argument was merely that women consume media that is centered around physical appearance (glamour magazines, etc.) and that it’s absurd that women are allowed to judge on appearance but women are not.
He’s a beta chump, not to mention he should be protecting a royal and English blood line. Disgusting on a couple of levels
… “and that it’s absurd that women are allowed to judge on appearance but men are not.”
Corrected. I suppose I’m confused nowadays with all of the bullshit gender pronouns. Or I’ve been drinking. Perhaps a bit of both.
Looked at them photos. She is may be a 6 and that was a prearranged photo session soooo that’s the best she is going to look.
I see trouble coming. To begin with, her parents divorced. If her half sister called her a “social climber”, that would be an understatement, even by British standards. One thing for sure, she has won the hypergamy jackpot. However, given Harry’s past, this marriage may not even make it to the altar.
With the demise of German aristocracy, the marriage pool for royals has gotten impossibly thin. One of the big differences is the lifelong commitment to marriage. It helps promote the family business. People like stability.
As a woman, I agree that having children should be done at a young age. I would go so far to say from 18-25 max. Child rearing is a TOUGH job and you need the stamina and energy. Its not just about having viable eggs. Yes, women can get pregnant into their 40s, but it only works if they have enough financially so others (18-25 year olds) raise their children. As far as race – I have not encountered white men only wanting white women for breeding. If anything, I see more interracial families now of various races/ethnicities.
I honestly think that raising a child is pretty easy, at least compared to a lot of things. Granted, I have pretty good job flexibility and do well enough financially that I don’t need to do the long hours most of the time. I also only have one kid and I hear that more than one is q bit more challenging. Even before I only had him 50% of the time, he was still with me most of the time when he got old enough that he was in school most of the day. There are days where things are a little rough and it seems like everything piles up after work (dinner, homework, family time) but it’s manageable by making the most of my time and then spending the rest of it with the kid in the late afternoon / evening.
I think that a lot of people would find child rearing and their relationship with their spouse so much easier if they’d just cut the time wasting distractions that occupy most of their time and productivity. Social networking is the main killer. I find that I actually have way too much free time now. I had very little when I was married and she’d checked out of parenting and being a wife, but I still made the most of my time while still trying to develop hobbies that I could share with the kid. I literally have hours every day to work on hobbies or work out.
there’s a place for observing a person in light of where they genetically came from, and there’s a place not to.
can’t count the number of times i’ve heard, “____ is from such a *good* family.” and i wanna barf. did it make any difference in that person’s life? or did that person ditch it and become stupid. how many of the stupid women out there who have thrown their lives away to the CC and careers and hitting the wall and now want to marry a *good* man are from ‘such a good family?’
who is she (generically she). is she the best she can be? if she came from a good family, is she giving her good family a good name by the way she’s living her life? if she didn’t, what is she doing to overcome that?
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other than all that … it is interesting to see what’s going on in the royal family from time-to-time – or at least to see what’s presented as what’s going on.
if i never heard another thing on charles and camilla i’d be more than delighted! hate what they did to Diana. i’ve tried to express to my girls who Diana was to the world – hard to describe and express who she became; how she exceeded super-stardom and became bigger than huge the whole world over.
love occasionally seeing pics Will and Kate – especially with their children.
will be interesting to see how Harry and Meghan turn out over time. i do hope they defy odds and stay married and are happy simply b/c i want marriages to work.
Grail Knight said something about this…..now what was it?
Hey, the royals have made choices before that weren’t good for the monarchy. Just look at Edward VIII. Remember that other American divorced woman, Wallis Simpson. If he wouldn’t have resigned, we wouldn’t have had QEll.
Harry will sixth in line to the throne once Will and Kate’s baby is born, so I’m sure he isn’t concerned about the royal bloodline.
Queen Charlotte, the wife of King George the lll was rumored to have African ancestry.
On that subject – Did anyone else find it sorta amusing that King Henry VIII beheaded one of Meghan Markle’s distant ancestors?
A new post at Spawny’s there is
https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2017/11/27/the-changing-traditions-of-marriage/
They certainly look happy and I hope she makes an exceptional wife to him and they set a positive example to the world! And makes America proud, too! Fingers crossed…
A Dad, how did you handle the infant stage up till the age of one? Lack of sleep, multiple feedings per night, diaper changes, and any and all bumps in the road? I know it gets easier as kids get older but the first year is hard. Mainly because parents are operating on very little sleep.
@Apurplepillgirl
I am the same age as Harry and neither rich nor royal nor famous and I can get a hotter, younger woman. At 36 she is nearly fertile (and might already be). Her tits and ass would be starting to sag (or have been sagging for years). She would have the beginnings of worry lines and wrinkles. She is a divorcee and also from Hollywood so she definitely has a past and probably a bunch of issues. A woman’s craziness is multiplied by every different cock that goes in her.
No man cares about a woman’s career, provided she isn’t whoring herself for it. Since she is an actress I’d be wondering, were I Harry, whether she was on Weinstein’s casting couch and how many other casting couches and is there a sex tape/nudes of her floating around out there ready to hit the tabloids.
I am a typical redpill man and I don’t hate women. I like women and I have even loved a few over the years. In a few years I plan to marry and have kids. Spending the rest of your life with someone you hate is not my cup of tea.
By the way, mixed race kids are statistically more likely to have genetic defects, mental illnesses and identity issues.
Vox Day has some thoughts on this.
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/11/the-media-protesteth-too-much.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2Fvoxpopoli+%28Vox+Popoli%29
‘What do you think?’
It’s (or shortly will be) adultery.
All the other stats are just bitter icing on a rotten cake.
Oh my goodness Doyle. You actually made me laugh. I respect your words because everyone has their own opinion, but can you please provide proof of your “statistics”? If you’re going to apply ‘science’ to your words, you need evidence.
Love – You are quite right on that. That stage is the hardest. I was very fortunate to have been married to a woman who was very dedicated at being a mother. While I did get up in the middle of the night to put him back to sleep, and changed many (most) diapers when I was home, my ex-wife really did the majority in the infant stage (mainly because I am not capable of breastfeeding). She would pump and I would feed him that way but he really didn’t like it as much as the real thing and would often refuse to take a bottle.
And even though I was the only one with a job outside of the home, I often think that I would go back in time and try even harder to put in even more effort. The postpartum depression really wrecked her mind, because she came out of it a very different person; Particularly without a family to fall back on for support. Furthermore, she’s just not a person who handles stress very well in spite of trying to seem strong on the outside. She tends to bottle up the emotions until they burn her from inside out.
Part of the problem is in how we managed this infant stage. Knowing what I know now, I can see where many of the disconnects began, and it started when she would co-sleep with the baby in the guest room. Not only did it mean that she got lesser quality sleep, but it also meant that she and I were no longer sleeping in the same room. Co-sleeping regularly is dangerous because it creates not only a long-term co-dependence for a child, but also does the same for a woman.
But regarding going back and time and doing things differently. It is a double-edged sword, and I’m not sure what the truth really is. I took on all of the “traditional masculine roles” in the marriage as well as several of the “traditional feminine roles” like changing diapers, occasional bottle feeding (to give her a break), and doing *all* of the house cleaning. When I’d come home, I’d also spend 100% of my evening with the kid until bed time, so that she would have a break. When I would give more, she would give less, to a point that there was nothing left and I felt that I was gradually just being taken advantage of over the course of many years. As a result, I don’t believe the agenda anymore that “men aren’t doing enough around the house” because I think that it just creates weaker women. A lot of guys try to pull their extra weight and just end up divorced anyway. Somewhere, a point of balance needs to be defined and I think that so many couples fail to do this and become resentful.
It takes a dedicated person to pull their own share without exploiting things, because once she had nothing to do (once the kid was a few years old) she didn’t want to do anything at all. It’s as though she felt that her job in the marriage was done. I found that I was doing all of the child care once she began to develop hobbies and started a career of her own.
So, women may call it misogynistic, but there really are some good reasons for traditional gender roles. Not only because men are incapable of bearing children and breastfeeding babies, but because it actually gives women a good job to do that most are capable of doing better than a man until about age 2-3. Then it really is debatable.
Apologies for the long-winded response. I guess to summarize; The infant stage is indeed challenging, and I think that women often take on the most challenging parts of that role. But as children get older, it does get easier. I don’t mean to sound condescending by saying “it’s easy”. I really just mean that people can do things to make it easier. Frequently there are posts from women that say “raising kids is really hard” as though no men have ever had to experience any part of it. Pew says that single-father households now make up 1/4 of single parent homes, and there are more shared custody situations than ever now (approaching 40%-50%), and nuclear families without divorce have men often taking on many more child-rearing roles than ever before in spite of still doing the majority of hard jobs outside of the home (and the majority of hard jobs around the house).
The real reason why it’s harder than ever; Women have made it infinitely more complicated by trying to juggle traditionally masculine roles (a full-time job outside of the home) while still trying to hang onto traditionally feminine roles, yet feminists will lead you to believe otherwise and that somehow men are at fault. If people would stop living above their means and just say no to the dual-income model, then everyone would be living a better quality life. The biggest mistake that people make is in sending their kids off to be raised by strangers. It literally makes me sick that people care so little about their children. My kid has never spent a minute in daycare.
Note: I’m not saying that this means that only men should work. Plenty of families are finding that SAHD situations work (there are some around here), but it’s not something that works for most situations.
The purity of the white American Anglo Saxon is a misnomer anyway. Anglo Saxons originated from Germany and were not enough in numbers to change British ethnicity (which is the majority of white American descendents).
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/07/0719_050719_britishgene.html
Fuzzie:
“Interpretation: Harry is a Mama’s boy who lost his mother at a young age and has never recovered from the loss. His sociosexual rank is completely out of whack as a result, as he combines elite social rank with infantile sexuality that is desperate for the Lost Mommy. Unless she possesses acute foresight and iron-clad self-discipline, this older actress is most likely going to eat the prince alive and control his life to an extent that will become distasteful to his family, to the public, and eventually, to Harry himself.”
This. She’s going to chew that boy up and spit him out. This is why I mentioned that here age is the same as his late mother. He’s got a mommy complex. Most men do when they shack up with an older woman.
I wouldn’t be commenting so much on the age if they were in their 20s and she weren’t previously married and divorced. The 3-year age gap is trivial for a young couple, but it becomes an issue for a man who is approaching the right age to have a family.
It will sound crude and this is not an attack on the women here. She’s simply damaged goods for a man who is wealthy royalty who can pick a wife that’s more appropriate for his future. But, hey. I don’t believe in romantic love anymore (only the rules of biology), so many of the women will disagree with that.
It’s just a matter of personal opinion. As I get older, and I’m raising my own child, I’ve come to realize that there is nothing that can be greater than that. No money. No property. Nothing else. Just the experiences of family, and your legacy. That’s all that really matters in the grand scheme of things.
Thanks A Dad. I applaud you because you seem to be a great father. I have observed how helpful American men are in child rearing. I’m from a different culture, so it has been a very new and interesting thing to see. It really does require a village to raise a child. Post partum is real. However, in the past, the grandmother would step in and do the womanly chores while the mother healed. I agree that co-sleeping is unhealthy. That is where the grandmother would normally take over. I think now a days it is crucial for families to provide support and help young parents get over the bump of the 1st year. It can make or break the marriage.
Love – Most true Brits are gross and inbred anyway. It’s well-known that British monarchs often married their first-cousins, which is utterly repulsive. I’m not entirely certain that this practice didn’t extend to the commoners as well, especially since the isles were more or less isolated from outsiders and there wasn’t an easy way to expand the gene pool beyond the few thousand original inhabitants (beyond the invasions).
The decline of the family and the raise of the welfare state is an initiative to break down western society in the guise of feminism and identity politics. It’s factual that the greatest financial providers are also not the greatest recipients of tax reallocation. And by creating a society where both men and women are forced to compete, it creates a greater GDP and increased competition, all the meanwhile buying the votes of the rest that receive the reallocated tax money in the form of welfare / affirmative action, or other government programs. There is a very good reason why single motherhood is an epidemic, because there are no limits to the handouts when a welfare state practically encourages the behavior.
Rant over. I just tend to go this direction when I start talking about single parent families, divorce, etc.
Harry, for all his wealth and riches, is a not-very-attractive man who will never be king. He’s destined to live in the shadow of his famous father and even more famous older brother who will be king one day.
Meghan Markle is hot and puts out. And she’s the best he can do. That’s why Harry is marrying her. Even though Harry’s a prince, he’s kind of a dork. Sure, he had some wild times as a younger guy. He’s still a dork, much more so than Wills. He looks like a dweeb in those pics. No wonder the best he can do is a divorcee who’s three years older than he is.
He’s also violating a Deti rule to his detriment: Do not marry a woman who is more than 2 years older than you are. Reason for the rule: A woman who’s older than you will view you as one of her kids, and sees no reason to submit to your headship. She sees herself as more experienced, wiser, and more able to lead than you are.
This marriage is doomed, just like that of his uncle to Sarah Ferguson. She was better looking and more socially adept than Andrew – like this couple. Fergie is older than Andrew (albeit by only 4 months).
Markle will be cheating on him before the ink is dry on their marriage papers. she probably already is. If he’s got any stones, he’ll be cheating on her too – like his dad did before him.
This is a weird coupling. It won’t last.
Deti… sometimes I don’t understand your comments at all! He is gorgeous to me… he doesn’t look like a dork in any way shape or form. Neither his brother nor him are classically attractive in the tall dark and handsome kind of way – I do think it’s much harder for blonde or red-haired men to be perceived as sexy enough (they need some ruggedness or muscles to help) – but I think he’s a little MORE attractive than his older brother. He has the rugged part down… a beard does A LOT for the psyche of a woman. And he’s more than meets the eye… and does have a sexy muscular body.
Not sure about the woman… she looks beautiful enough in an exotic way.
I just don’t understand at all, how you can say he’s not attractive or sexy. He even has a Viking look going on that models Thor in a way.
hmm….
I just went through every picture again… yea, he’s gorgeous.
Probably mostly presentation. Men and women see different things in pictures.
For instance, I think that Meghan Markle can look decently hot in red lipstick, but fairly average otherwise. Maybe it’s deliberate that she’s going for a more “girl next door” look, and that’s fine.
By that same token, I also think that Prince Harry looks like a dork at times but I guess that some women find that to be cute. I don’t think that he’s classically handsome, but what matters most is that he can pull off the confidence as a result of being in the spotlight for his whole life.
“I think that Meghan Markle can look decently hot in red lipstick, but fairly average otherwise. Maybe it’s deliberate that she’s going for a more “girl next door” look, and that’s fine.”
I’d be very surprised to see her ever wearing red lipstick while dating or marrying into this family. It’s against code until after the wedding. And even then it’s like… try to wait a year or two.
The girl next door look is what she is supposed to pull off to the country, but hopefully with a lot of elegance. I think she should up the elegance to the nth degree (just her coloring and everything needs it), but we’ll see what happens. It’s hard to come after Diana’s elegance.
I love the royal family. My grandfather on my mother’s side was descended from a direct line all the way back to Mary Boleyn (and related to Queen Elizabeth through this). They’ve all made many mistakes, they’re human afterall. 🙂
Love I think you make a really good point about the first year and how in times past there would be extended family support during that time that is not there in American society anymore, for the most part. It certainly would make things easier, although in America we’re taught to value independence so highly that the idea of extended family living together except in the case of illness is pretty much unheard of. It’s a shame, because like so many of the “modern” ways it actually makes life harder. Same goes for feminism, it’s true women took upon themselves a dual role that has now lead to a place where it is assumed the woman will work, moms will work. I think the pressure, and the idea that the govt., child support, etc. is there (which by the way is NOT EVEN CLOSE to having a husband, no matter what the overall culture says) likely contributes to many divorces and broken families today.
My former babysitter comes from a religious group that has not taken up these modern ways and after observing her and her clan’s lives up close, they have it much easier, are much happier, and there are far fewer divorces. The women don’t suffer from “stay at home mom syndrome” where they feel lesser bc they don’t have a paycheck because being a wife and mother is still highly esteemed in their culture. Doing that poorly in order to do other things would not be praised. Even though I now realize much of the way I was raised was in error (to have a career, to put that first, to base my worth on a job title, for that to matter far more than being a wife and mom, etc.) I still fight those feelings of “not doing or being or earning enough” and honestly have a hard time getting my priorities straight and really even just enjoying non-work related things. I was raised to be a hard core overachiever, and while I suppose it’s led to my achieving, I am not so sure I am not worse off for it. My babysitter seemed so calm and serene and at peace with her role and place in the world than I ever have. It’s something I struggle to reconcile all the time because even though I am aware of it, I can still easily slip into that type of thinking. It’s hard to put into words…
For example, while my marriage had issues beyond this, I think if I had focused on being a wife and our home and motherhood, instead of being so driven to achieve career wise, things likely would have worked out better. Except I had been so completely brainwashed that doing that meant “wasting my life” and “settling” that if had I done it at the time I likely would have fallen into the whole “I am so oppressed” thinking because of how much I had been raised. It’s literally like I was programmed to resent and resist the very things I see my former babysitter so happily embracing. It’s messed up!
In a way just like many American men have been shamed about being masculine, American women have been shamed about being feminine. Both were taught it was better to be like the opposite sex (men should be sensitive, emotional, etc. while women should be strong, tough, etc.) So much so many men feel shame and guilt for being masculine, many women feel shame and guilt for being feminine. I am not sure I am explaining it right, but in my mind it’s two sides of the blue pill. Neither sex is better off, although it may seem women have the upper hand today. In fact most women today are horribly miserable, overworked, overcommitted, burned out… all because they are trying to be like men! And at the same time, they have no idea how to be like a woman either!
RPG – My wife started hanging around with liberal women that ruled their husbands who have lesser college education. Then she became resentful and bitter about the life that she had picked for herself as though somehow her choice was oppressive because she didn’t have control of the finances, etc. It’s pretty contagious.
The dual-role thing is weird. Women are taught to want it, so by that logic men are supposed to want the same thing. But men recognize that it’s foolish and pointless, so so women become resentful. See the articles about how gender roles have changed but men are blamed for being “lazy” for not doing it the feminist way.
There is no easy solution for most people. It’s already too late and it’s going to crumble to the ground, getting worse before it gets better.
Honestly, being single is way easier than that BS. Guys can live on far less. I’ve got 1/3 of my take-home income being ripped away in the form of alimony and I’m doing as well as I ever did. I don’t have the stress that I had when I was married. I can actually sleep at night and not really care what tomorrow brings.
The lie is that being complementary is somehow wrong, and that you need to be better than your spouse. This is where the division starts. No amount of silly university education magically changes the dynamics of a relationship.
The financial thing was just one of many excuses, by the way. Not the only thing.
@Deti:
I tend to have fairly high standards when it comes to male physical attractiveness and I typically find red hair on a man less than optimal.
And even I think Prince Harry is quite handsome.
‘In fact most women today are horribly miserable, overworked, overcommitted, burned out… all because they are trying to be like men! And at the same time, they have no idea how to be like a woman either!’
Even though right now it seems all the advantages are for women in the ethos….In the end we will find feminism was much worse for women than it was for men.
They are both pretty good in the physical looks department…it’s everything else that makes this pairing shaky.
I would agree with that Earl, I can already see that but society as a whole hasn’t figured that out yet. Most women I know in real life would think I had lost my mind to say feminism has left women WORSE off!
I would also agree that they are both good looking, and an equally matched pair in that way at least. Agreed it’s the other stuff that concerns me more, her past willingness to divorce, some of her family background stuff as far as dysfunction. Not that people can’t rise above and I hope that she has looked deep at all that and learned and is truly ready to be a WIFE, and not just that but one under constant scrutiny and lots of pressure to also be a figurehead and a royal. Hopefully her experience as an actress will help, but even with her being on tv I doubt she was ever hunted by paparazzi in the way she likely is already experiencing now. I would not want to live in that kind of a fishbowl.
It depends upon the context. Early feminism really did improve things for women, and perhaps men as well… For a while, at least. Even still, women were a protected class in spite of being “oppressed”. Later 3rd / 4th wave feminism is not the same though, so many women aren’t even identifying as feminists. But those who don’t know the difference also don’t understand why the term is becoming something pejorative. It would be important to explain to them the differences between early and modern feminism. Even many classic liberal leaning traditional feminists like Christina Hoff Summers recognize that 3rd wave feminism is hostile and destructive and seek to try to debunk the myths.
Otherwise, simply saying that “feminism has made things worse for women” is likely to be taken way out of context.
So when a lot of men and more conservative women say that they hate feminism, and that it’s “cancer”, it’s not that they think that women’s equality is inherently wrong. On the contrary. It’s that they feel that modern feminism is destructive and actually promotes more inequality. The new “feminism” is really a form of Marxism in disguise, that benefits some at the expense of everyone else. It’s just promoted as “feminism” because it’s packaged in a way that makes it very easy to get people to comply.
Now, women are still a protected class but that’s changing. The pursuit to become the same has resulted in lawlessness and Marxist feminists are turning to Uncle Sam to exercise more control over men, but the results are having a greater impact on women and children. But it’s swept under the rug in the form of “progress” because it actually benefits the Democrats. The thought is essentially that “men are no longer treating women as a protected class in spite of gaining true equality, so we must now force them under penalty of law to do it”. And men aren’t having it anymore.
Stephanie, you wrote “I think she should up the elegance to the nth degree (just her coloring and everything needs it)”. Do you mean because she is an olive-complected woman with dark hair that she has less elegance than a fair skinned blonde? I ask only out of curiosity. It is interesting reading the different viewpoints.
I think that she means that she’s just been dressing fairly plainly (not about her skin or hair). But that’ how I understood it, at least. But what do I know? I’m a guy.
@Love,
This is totally just my opinion, throw it away if it doesn’t make sense to you… but no, I don’t think elegance is solely relegated to skin tones and hair colors. That would be too simplistic to say… and the actual definition of elegance is:
“a : refined grace or dignified propriety : urbanity
b : tasteful richness of design or ornamentation the sumptuous elegance of the furnishings
c : dignified gracefulness or restrained beauty of style : polish the essay is marked by lucidity, wit, and elegance”
With that being said… I do believe it’s a little harder for some reason (I have no idea why) for brunettes with dark eyes, or women with olive/darker tones to have the same easy time achieving “elegance” without a little more help with pearls, or ever so slightly shimmery clothing, perfected hairstyles and lace and exactly the correct colors to compliment their skin to make it appear more elegant. Makeup also helps with this in different ways… and people with darker hair and olive skin tones can get away with wearing more… wearing more will often make them look more elegant. It’s really tricky.
Even Mario Testino – arguably the best photographer of beautiful women around and in the entire globe at this time (and for past years), said of Kate Middleton, that she did not have the same elegance and beauty that Diana had. And I think Kate is pretty elegant… but with his extreme artistic eye, he caught a major difference… enough to remark on it when asked his opinion.
I believe this woman Meghan looks more like Pippa (whom everyone agreed was just not very elegant in manner or facial appearance). She’s going to have to abide by an extremely strict set of rules (code) and a lot of it involves tempering her personality to be more demure (she’s already being criticized on not being demure enough!). When watching interviews with her, she doesn’t come across as elegant in the way she responds, sits, she laughs really loudly and cute. But all these things factor in to other people’s perception of her.
Here’s a picture example of Audrey Hepburn (brunette with dark eyes) when not very elegant–
Here’s a more elegant picture of her… notice how much help she has with hair style, jewelry, or different applied makeup:
A previous comment is held up in mod 🙂
Here are some examples of elegant women:
Hey Bloom, a couple of my comments have links so I think they went to spam, if you don’t mind fishing them out for me!
Some more of brunette – dark eye beauty elegance:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/yKfbBexlZnp2ugO2m4QcQ1waqDXdB4ZDCWu7vSQtcJmjl2gx6Yd9gs52hFPwTuMhUrF8i_jeZYSbte14F5fls2oF6CY8AIV6XEub6ol97J-D2aVPcfrMIkB5Zw
There are 3 other comments with lots of pics in them to describe brunette or darker skinned elegance (all imo though). Just a heads up!
Thanks for letting me know Stephanie, they are free now! 🙂
It seems more than one or two links in a comment is what makes that happen. I think to prevent actual spammers from posting lots of links?
Very true that demeanor, bearing, etc. can make a world of difference between “cute” and “stunning!” The photos you post are “mature” not in a old way but in a grown up, ladylike way rather than girlish.
In early photos Diana was shy and girlish but she grew into a very regal look. Again, I can’t even imagine the level of scrutiny she was under, constant photos. I would personally not like that at all! But I am very camera shy! Lol.
I think in general America’s obsession w youth has led to rarely seeing the elegant, classy “womanly” look these days vs the cute ingenue look with the big smiles and wide eyes and girlish manners. I’s say Kate has gotten more elegant, Meghan still has the mannerisms and pose of a girl vs. a woman but I bet that will change.
Somehow this is elegant… (and thank you Bloom!)…
A Dad,
That was from Vox Day’s post. I didn’t agree to it completely, but the age difference with her being older bothers me. She is going to want to get in the driver’s seat.
Stephaine,
I can’t answer for Deti, but I know that I have an inability to appraise men’s attractiveness. Guys just don’t think that way.
One thing that I have noticed. Men have strong feelings one way or the other about redheads. It could be that women do too.
RPG,
While it is good to be optimistic and hope for the best, I think we all see trouble ahead for these two.
Thank you Stephanie. Interesting point.
@ fuzzie I think women likewise see female beauty differently than men do. I don’t think Harry is “omg!!!” But he’s not unattractive by any means. It’s hard for me to judge w him, he looks really young to me (much younger than 33) so I have a hard time looking at him that way. Or maybe it’s bc I remember when he was born, lol!
I just remembered something about Charles and Diana. When both of them were on the same stage, it was like they were competing for the camera’s attention. That never should have been allowed to happen.
Marriage is an incredibly important decision.
@fuzzie I remember at the time it was said Charles was very jealous of the attention Diana got. Sad to think she had the adoration of the world but never of her own husband 😦
RPG,
It is like both William and Harry are frozen in time as the boys they were when their mother died.
As for women seeing female beauty differently, yes, but it is limited by the reality of being the primary asset of competing in the sexual marketplace.
It would be wearing on anyone. It was constant and it was over the top. He is the Prince of Wales.
True re frozen in time. It shocks me when I see Williams balding spot, how can he be old enough?!?! He was just a baby! Sigh…
Yes, the classic example was a study where women ranked Sarah Jessica Parker as “very attractive” while men were like, “ummm, no!”
Blondes actually seem to come across as more elegant without as much makeup… too much makeup looks horrible on them. Sometimes a red lip here and there… but these pictures are interesting:
Charles has always seemed akward and unsure of himself. Compare for example him to Trump. Melania never seems to overshadow him, even though she’s the more attractive of the two. But then she’s almost always beaming at him rather than competing. Early Diana looked very smitten w Charles but that wore thin soon after the wedding. I think she thought it was real then finding out it wasn’t… That would be hard to take.
But who knows. It’s all speculation who knew what and when…
I do remember Sarah Jessica Parker in a film with Bruce Willis before Sex and the City. She looked good. I think the primary attraction was her figure while her face was neutral.
Stephanie,
I like Grace Kelly. I wonder if anyone in her family is aware of the crest on the Kelly coat of arms? It is a crown.
LOL. Now it’s actually getting girly in here for a change.
Stephanie – I’ve never seen that first picture of Audrey Hepburn. She’s so humble, and almost even homely. That had to have been a really early picture. The second is her usual glamorous look. Really creepy transformation, to be honest.
Is that what you ladies normally look like before you transform?
J/K – I was with my wife for the better part of 20 years and she didn’t wear much makeup. 😉
@Love… you may be interested in Christen Dominique’s videos on makeup for darker hair and olive skin tones… it is amazing to me the different culture looks she can pull off… and pretty elegantly at that.
This was one fascinating –
I also loved the French one –
RPG,
It may also be the difference in upbringing and culture. Melania is from Eastern Europe and Diana grew up in England. While Melania could, she knows better than to upstage her man.
“Really creepy transformation, to be honest”
Ok… I HAVE to know @aDad… how exactly is it creepy to you. Can you describe (lol I sound like such a nerd) in exact terms WHY you felt creeped out. It’s so interesting to me how men and women perceive beauty differently, so I would really like to know what got you to feel that way when seeing her transformation. 😀
Also… what do you think of the other women’s pictures… are they elegant? Is it too much… **something** to be considered not creepy?
I have no idea why… but that kind of stuff fascinates me 🙂
Thanks for sharing. I viewed her videos. Very glamorous and a lot of work!
Return of Kings wrote it up too.
http://www.returnofkings.com/139073/britains-prince-harry-to-wed-american-feminist-actress-who-is-three-years-older-than-himself
The more details that are revealed, the worse this gets.
Harry, go hide in a cave.
@Love Don’t be lazy. Do your own research
@Stephanie Audrey looks naturally happy and full of life in the first photo. In the 2nd she looks fake.
Maybe she really was happier before stardom… that would make sense, but it has nothing to do with elegance. She had a lot of mental health issues… and lots of miscarriages… a couple of failed marriages on top of the many miscarriages.
But even when she was a child she had heartbreak… with her dad leaving her and “destroying her” as she said. She was happy in spite of all that. But I still think she had mental health issues 😦
She ended up having an affair with a married man early on in her career… obviously that would affect a woman’s happiness and disillusionment of the world.
“It was on the set of Sabrina that she struck up her first life-changing, adult affair with her co-star, Bill Holden. He was married with three children, and initially Audrey was another in a long-line of mistresses. When she met Bill, she was in her mid-twenties and recovering from a messy break-up after a long engagement to British Industrialist James Hanson. She’d also been involved in a brief flirtation with fellow actor Mel Ferrer, but had decided he was unsuitable as a prospect as he had already had four children from three failed marriages.”
Lots of miscarriages, lots of broken romantic relationships… you can be “elegant” looking and not have those other things contributing to a horribly lived life. 😦
Matt Lauer must not have watched the video.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f76_1323277426
Oh, man. That’s hilarious. SNL usually sucks but that was great (and true).
I still stick by the SHTF or zombie test.
If you were turffed from your job, status, social circle, whatever you hang your hat on…..would you still have something useful to bring to the table.
Or would I leave you behind to fend for yourself because you are jeopardizing the party.
A job can be stripped from you in 15 minutes. A social circle collapses on the whim…of a whim. The beloved spouse keels over or leaves. All gone out of your control.
The hiring world dont care about your yadayada degree. Your bling bling collection gets a weeks groceries at the pawn shop. Your faaaabulouuusness….yawn..what?
Your awesome house or other asset…takes months to sell..if it does.
On the other side useful skills, a strong back, talented hands work tomorrow.
Cash (several months worth) actually buys you time.
A well stocked larder feeds you thru the reconstruction after the storm.
For your consideration…
Ms socialite formerly of ritzville houston. Or Miami or San Juan.
The family business still shuttered from the flood, its inventoy ruined.
The glitzy house, awaiting a 20k mold removal and drywall…if a contractor can be freed up before easter
The loyal hubby, depressed at his practice unable to attract patients who can pay
Her social club…relocated to better pastures….
A woman out of time, luck and options by one little storm.
Here in the Red Pill Zone.
There is a new post at Spawny’s
https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2017/11/30/huh/
When I first heard this story, my only concern was that she was kind of old to start having kids.
I think she’s very pretty. (I find Harry attractive too.) Looks-wise, they are a good match.
As for her having a black mother, as if that has anything to do with anything…it doesn’t. Some red pill guys are obsessed with race; I’ve never gotten that. Character is far more important than race. Better to be a black person with sterling character than a white person who is a dog. If she is a good person, who CARES.
They’re going to have beautiful kids. Hopefully she doesn’t wait too long, and hopefully, the kids will be healthy! Her age is really a worry when it comes to kids.
They seem very happy together.
Other than that, I don’t know enough about her to make a judgment. I hope they will be happy.
Her half-sister making all sorts of claims is meaningless. The half-sister has plenty of problems of her own. (Stalking an ex? She’s nuts.) She’s obviously jealous. I’m not taking anything she says seriously.
Only time will tell what comes of this. It sounds like Meghan doesn’t plan on continuing to act, which is probably wise since it’s a big job being the wife of a prince.
Speculation and gossip, I don’t care to listen to it. I’m not a big follower of the Royal Family, but I’ve always liked Harry and wish him happiness. I hope he and his bride can find a balance and make it work. I think he just wants to live his life and be happy. His older brother has the “big” job, he doesn’t.
LOL given most traits are 80% inheritable it has a lot to do with everything
Some of the comments by men say they like women but proceed to say “I wouldn’t be with a 36 year old, her ass is saggy”.
I would never want to be with this type of man nor would I trust him. Not at 18, not at 22, not at 36 not ever.
You can also say “whatever he’s fifth in line” to disregard his own choice towarss HAPPINESS but at the end of the day that’s still closer than you will ever be. People desperately gripping on to being middle class need to puff their chest out the most because they are scared for their own position and need to grasp onto any young blonde, high title, nice job possible.
I just want to say thank you red pill women for taking these men off our hands.
Purplepillgirl – What’s the bitterness about? Is it that some people might not be attracted to a specific demographic?
What you are saying is that you would not want to be with the type of man that already wouldn’t want to be with you. Is that right?
Maybe some of the men here are actually younger than our fair future “princess”, and perhaps are speaking from a generality about age. The main discussion is that it makes no sense for a man of his age and social status.
It’s simply a weird match. That’s all. But if you want to be a cheerleader for people simply due to their age or race, by all means.
She looked good at the events. The crowds gravitate to her and she’ll do well as a goodwill ambassador. Since we’re talking red pill, William has 2 healthy white kids with 1 more on the way. I think this is a nice way for the family to diversify, in increasingly multicultural Britain at minor cost. Also, when the Queen dies having some diversity might (who knows) might help them maintain some influence in places like Jamaica, where Elizabeth is still Queen. She’s nominally Canadian and the Brits don’t want to lose Canada.