One of the women my mom held up as an example of all a woman could do and be was Gloria Vanderbilt. My mom admired her New York social scene, her career as a fashion designer, her success and acclaim.
I really didn’t know much about her myself, except that she released a line of blue jeans that was fairly successful, and designed clothing. I had always assumed she started her company and built her success from the ground up.
Well, last night during some random insomnia web surfing, I came across the full story. Gloria Vanderbilt was actually born into immense wealth, the granddaughter of a railroad baron, the child of her father who rather than be a titan himself had lived a playboy lifestyle and drank himself to death by his early 40s, leaving his barely 19-year-old bride and 18 month old daughter behind.
Gloria was raised by her mother until the age of 10 when she was the subject of a bitter custody battle between her aunt and mother. While her mother traveled the world living off the interest of Gloria’s trust fund ($5 million at the time, which made little Gloria along with her older half sister one of the richest women in the world at age 21), Gloria was apparently largely raised by a nanny who had concerns about the child’s environment. Allegations of neglect and immoral behavior on her mother’s part, combined with testimony by young Gloria herself, ended up with her being placed in the custody of her aunt, her father sister.
From there she attended exclusive schools and was raised in a family that owned multiple homes on Fifth Avenue in New York, including one that took up an entire New York city block.
Now I don’t mean to take away from what Gloria did with her life, or to imply she did not have her own crosses to bear — including the early loss of her father, the early years with(out) her mother, multiple failed marriages, one son who disowned her, and a son who killed himself in his 20s — but for her to be painted as a role model for what the average gal could achieve with moxie and hard work was, to say the least, disingenuious.
It makes me wonder what the background of many of the other early “successful career women” is. Were they also women who started with means and status far above the usual? I will have to look into it as time allows.
In any case, beware false idols. Things are not always what they are portrayed to be.
What do you think? Please share in the comments!
Notes From a Red Pill Girl 
That was really hard for me to write to JB and I was really worried she’d be mad at me, but I could see the path that was headed on and hope she heard, “it’s not worth it! Cling to your marriage and family! Do not do this.”
I have thought of her often since and hope she quit the classes, skipped writing the book, and stayed true to her vows. That is the path of happiness.
“Basically, a confession of her emotional involvement with a man who is not her husband. That’s where infidelity starts, people. And she admits she feels guilt and disloyalty. And yet she will not stop, and says she will keep doing this and keep training and keep exposing herself to her emotional involvement with a man she is CLEARLY more sexually attracted to than she is to her husband.”
^I personally feel sorry for JudgyBitch. I don’t believe she’s Christian, so it may be harder for her to realize things like that regarding “fleeing from temptation.” That’s a very Christian motto. That when you feel any guilt about something you need to ask yourself if it’s real guilt (if you’re neurotic and tend toward always feeling guilty), or if it’s based on reality and an indication you’re doing something wrong.
Her guilt was/is based on reality there… she should not have been wrestling around physically with a very VERY masculine man that she’s sexually attracted to – whom she admitted she loves being physically dominated by. It’s just insane to think that would be “ok,” but again, she may not be able to understand that the guilt is her conscience (or Holy Spirit if she’s Christian).
“There is no proof that any one is who they say they are online.”
If you blog long enough, and not anonymously, eventually someone will out you if you’re lying. Kind of like what happened with poor Sunshine Thiry not being 100% truthful with her real life details (not that she should have given out too much, but there were obvious things that were easy to check for people who didn’t like her). As far as I remember, one of her college “frenemies” finally read her blog, saw a lot of inconsistencies with reality, and blew the whistle. It’s the type of thing a “frenemy” just can’t WAIT to do to someone they don’t like.
The only way to combat that, is to be 100% honest and upfront, without giving out too much info that could make it easy for predators to ruin your life.
Yes, the facts about someone’slife are easy enough to suss out for anyone who cares enough to do it. But whether or not I got married at 22 years old have 5 kids (statements of easily provable or easily negated fact) are a separate issue from whether or not I am really a good wife and mother.
More than that is whether or not I (or whoever) is really a decent person. Because that is what making up facts for effect gets to mean something.
There are some nasty characters online, people just looking for a weakness or opening on which to pounce and an excuse to do it. I often say the web gives people cover to let their crazy flags fly undetected.
It’s a wonder that any of us sane people bother. LOL
@Stephanie:
Re the posts on Judgy Bitch here, don’t miss the point.
The point is that all women are like that. All women have a sin nature. Even the most red pill aware women are like that. Even women who fancy themselves men’s rights activists are like that. Even the most aware women can succumb. As Judgy Bitch admitted she was wrestling with. She was essentially on the verge of an emotional if not full on physical affair. And if she didn’t, she sure as hell thought about it, ruminated on it, considered it. Don’t tell me she didn’t – she did, you can tell by her writings on the subject – writings that SHE HERSELF WROTE IN HER OWN WORDS.
I didn’t make it up. I didn’t create it. I didn’t dream it up. I didn’t wish it into existence. But there it is nonetheless. Written IN HER OWN HAND.
Believe me, if there is anyone who wishes it wasn’t so, it is me. I so, so badly wish that what I wrote up there isn’t true. But it is true, and we all have to have the courage to face the truth.
She said “It’s an emotional toll I am paying to another man”
A married woman should not be paying ANY emotional tolls to ANY man other than her husband. Period. End of discussion.
Everything always comes out eventually Elspeth… Time and Truth walk hand in hand. If I treat my kids or husband badly, it will come out whether from them or other family members. Your adult daughters are some of the best ones to ask who you really are. And anyone could work to get that kind of information, especially when you go viral and more people are aware of you and finding scandal would be a payoff for them.
I’ve had my myself quoted in the UK daily mail, very negatively even, but all our friends and family knew it was taken out of context. I’ve gone “viral” several other times after that, and if I wasn’t who I claim to be, it would be outed.
“I’ve had my myself quoted in the UK daily mail, very negatively even, but all our friends and family knew it was taken out of context. I’ve gone “viral” several other times after that, and if I wasn’t who I claim to be, it would be outed.”
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You also don’t have a particularly popular set of beliefs these days, so that could be part of it. Of course people are going to try to weaponize it.
I agree with you Deti that all women have a sin nature and could fall into emotional and physical affairs. That fact scares me enough to be very careful about never beingalone with a man or developing any kind of secret relationship… My husband reads anything I get from a man online (Facebook and email etc).
Earl I am not laughing at you because you think a woakns attitude is important.
I am laughing at you because her attitdue at any point in time is not indicative of what her attitude will be like in the future. The last girl I walked down the aisle went from sweet and pleasing to he intended to one cold bitch toward her husband in about 6 weeks.
Did JB dump her husband?
Her story is an excellent example of why I say for men, everything in the SMP is a proxy for violence
Your adult daughters are some of the best ones to ask who you really are.
I know who I am, LOL. I know I am an excellent wife because my husband says so. I know I am a pretty good mama. My kids say so and so do others. I am not in doubt about me- in the natural. My assessment of myself (including weaknesses) is sound. Spiritual wrestling is another issue, but that’s not the topic here.
My point -and I stand by it- is that “Bill” raised a valid point about whether there is any “evidence” that I, you, Molly (whom I don’t know at all), or any other woman who posts on these types blogs is as good and virtuous as our postings make us appear.
It’s a valid question, one that we shouldn’t be afraid of. I’m not. Frankly, if what I say is true and worthy of being said, that really is going to have to be enough. The “evidence” being asked for cannot be found online no matter how much we write or how far our writings are spread and read.
See The Duggars, example.
Upthread I said: “… I am pleased to see some women here and at Bloom’s.”
For some reason, I thought I was at Spawney’s when I posted that.
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fuzzie – I have been focusing on the point deti was making. You seem to be focused on the manner in which deti makes that point. You and I have been discussing different things.
It is tempting to want the truth to be delivered in kindness. That is a noble desire that should be honored wherever possible. But sometimes it is necessary to act as Jesus did in the Temple – overturning the money-changers tables and stuff. The Old Testament makes clear in three separate incidents that God did not hold those younger than 20 accountable, because they did not know good from evil. Older than 20, God held them accountable. Based on that, you can make a Biblical case for calling those younger than 20 “innocents”. You are on less solid ground to call those older than 20 “innocents”. God demonstrated that he believes those older than 20 should be held accountable. With rare exception, I think we should follow that example. That is, if someone older than 20 demonstrates that they don’t know something that they should know, because they will be held accountable for it by God, one could argue that we should tell them, in whatever way will get their attention. When someone falls asleep behind the steering wheel of a moving vehicle, should we just leave them be “because they need their sleep”?
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1. It profits me very little to read the details of who internet folks say they are (so I don’t pay much attention to that, since those details can be lied about).
2. It profits me a little more to read the details of what internet folks think (so I pay a bit more attention, particularly if what they think somehow springs from what they have experienced).
3. It profits me most when internet folks discuss ideas (like is being done in this thread) and bring in corroborating or invalidating information from things they have read or experienced. Since I can’t read or experience everything, listening to what other folks say is a more efficient means for me to broaden my horizons. So it is that on which I focus.
4. And – lastly, but maybe the biggest: Putting into writing the things I am thinking forces me to examine what I am thinking. More than once I have changed my mind about something because I tried to write about it. Thinking it through in order to put it into words for others to read highlighted some inconsistency or other that I saw only because I was trying to put my thoughts into words.
@ Richard P:
Good comment. Especially points 3 and 4.
“Your adult daughters are some of the best ones to ask who you really are.”
Only up to a point. “You never really get to know a person until you have had a chance to see the choices they make.” That is a cliche because it is true. But, also, only up to a point.
Children (and web denizens) can only see what is visible or what is intentionally revealed. All of us know the choices we have made that no one else knows about. Our public may see the outcome of our choices but have no clue about the alternatives were choosing from. How can those types of choices inform others of “what we are really like”?. So on some superficial level – yes, watching the choices we make reveals something about us. And for most folks, that is all we can see of them – the superficial level. That truth makes me hesitant to conclude anything about folks I interact with, in real life and in virtual life.
Elspeth – thanks. I’ve enjoyed your writing because you tend to focus on ideas rather than personalities. And you seem comfortable in your own skin. That is hard to fake.
‘The last girl I walked down the aisle went from sweet and pleasing to he intended to one cold bitch toward her husband in about 6 weeks.’
Sounds like another case of a woman that didnt want to be married in the first place. Otherwise why do the things to blow up a marriage.
They can get away with that crap because of no fault giving them a way out and not taking the vows seriously instead of working on their attitude to please their husband.
“Earl I am not laughing at you because you think a woakns attitude is important.
I am laughing at you because her attitdue at any point in time is not indicative of what her attitude will be like in the future. The last girl I walked down the aisle went from sweet and pleasing to he intended to one cold bitch toward her husband in about 6 weeks.”
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The mistake became apparent right after the wedding bells here, yet I stuck it out for over a decade. Big mistake that cost me my mental and physical health. Became so obvious what a dumbass I was once it was all over.
This revelation probably continues the proof that most western women arent marriageable.
LOL probably the most true words yiiu have ever written earl, yet women are women. I so know a large number of men who married girls from overseas. Hell one group of guys I know married a bunch of girls all from the same family and it’s worked out pretty well for all them dudes
Yet I also know a lot of men who went that way and failed.
The girl I mentioned above is the daughter of one of my brothers. I have known her for years and years. Twice a week kind of church girl. Never cut her hair, dresses, skrits, no make up etc efc. I knew the groom for about 2 years or so. We rode together and I mentored him some. I was there when they meet, I was there when he purposed, I was there when they married. 6 weeks after the honeymoon she told him ridding bikes without her was inappropriate for a married man, forced him to cancel a road trip with me he had already paid for and his bike was sold before their 1st year of marriage was in the history books
One of the guys who works in my plant pulled a rather secular Spanish chick professor while she was guest professoring. Like all Catholic girls you know her N count is high, sex apeal and femininity poor out of her. She is divorced, spending her ex husbands money and has a phd. Not very good signs yet she treats him like gold and has decided to stay in the usa to be with him because he is fun.
Point being a happy relationship is always about the value of the man and rarely about the quality of the woman
‘Not very good signs yet she treats him like gold and has decided to stay in the usa to be with him because he is fun.’
Yeah but has he married her yet?
Only dumb fucks and betas marry. He ain’t stupid, he ain’t particularly beta, and he has beem single for 12 years or so after his divorce but only time will tell.
Deti,
To justify raking women who have never transgressed you cite Judgybitch as a example? She stepped over the line. What you do is condemn women who haven’t done anything. Granted, we all have the potential to do terrible things. We aren’t condemned for it because we haven’t done anything wrong. That should be a “given”. The only reason that I can see you going down this road is to intimidate the women.That would make you an internet bully who likes to beat up girls.
Proud of yourself?
Maybe you should have the courage to do a little introspection into your motives.
A Dad,
You didn’t mean that to be funny.
My point being she’s treating him well now…but will change her stripes if they get married.
Yeah earl I get that but that’s the money bet on any woman regardless of her background
“Deti,
To justify raking women who have never transgressed you cite Judgybitch as a example? She stepped over the line. What you do is condemn women who haven’t done anything. Granted, we all have the potential to do terrible things. We aren’t condemned for it because we haven’t done anything wrong.”
Again, I do feel sorry for Judgy Bitch… whether it’s deserved or not, she displayed a RARE gigantic amount of honesty in that condemning post. Was it bad? Yes 😦 Should she have written it? Probably not, at least to save her husband’s reputation! But you can’t deny it was extremely honest.
Still… it makes the case that maybe not everything should be blogged about.
I’ve seen wives that divulge their husband’s flaws – major flaws even that they’re trying to work out in therapy! Things like that should be WAY off limits. It’s throwing your husband under a bus!
Even if you’re accused of not being 100% honest because you protect your family from that kind of “honesty” – I don’t think the public deserves women being 100% honest about their husband’s personal life or their kids for that matter, just so they can know they’re a “real” family with “real” issues.
Still randomly thinking aloud…
I guess I’d rather err on the side of caution, and be judged by people for that, rather than destroy our family’s image, or my husband’s reputation – or children for that matter – just to satisfy the bloodlust of the people who call us “fake.”
“A Dad,
You didn’t mean that to be funny.”
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Fuzzie – The thing that hurts you the most in life is your paper thin skin. Not saying that you need to be a keyboard alfalfa, but you take everything way too personally.
And if you haven’t noticed, almost everything that I say has a hint of sarcasm these days.
Fuzzie – Let’s be clear that my comment about joining the BPD hookup club was only because you are the only guy that didn’t comment about having been married to a BPD. The joke wasn’t even about you Fuzzie. It was about us. But if you take offense to having not been married to crazy, then by all means. Take offense.
A Dad,
Thanks for the insight. I can see how adept you are at covering. Lots of practice.
I can’t really figure you out man. Not sure how I could possibly, because I don’t know anything about you. Apparently I accidentally struck a nerve and you’re hurt, but you’re so vague about it all with occasional passive-aggressive shots at all of the “keyboard alphas” as you call them. No keyboard alphas here. Just real people who’ve actually had to suck it up and deal with real life. Spit it out if you’ve got an issue that needs to be addressed.
As far as any being virtuous, or not… The only One who really truly knows is the only opinion that matters. And should be the only opinion that matters to us as individuals as well.
I was glad JB wrote that post. I kinda think she was looking for some voice of reason. I hope she heeded it.
In many ways, the problem today is too few worry about what the One thinks, if they believe in that at all. It’s easy to fool others, people who may even live in the same home and not truly “know” ones inner thoughts or heart. In a secular society, it’s about social justice. In a Godly one, it’s about eternal justice. No man or woman is worthy to judge another, instead they should be worrying about them self. Only God is worthy to judge. And believe or not, all will answer regardless. That’s a good reason to color inside the lines, I’d say! I know I am far from perfect but in the end I hope to hear, “well done.” And NOT to hear, “I know you not.” Once one thinks on that level, it all clarifies. Not that folks don’t still stumble, even so, but belief in a bigger picture can help one choose right over wrong. Not got favor on earth, but bc it’s the right thing to do.
* not to gain favor on earth…
@Ton: “Point being a happy relationship is always about the value of the man and rarely about the quality of the woman”
That is a comment on the original meaning of the word “husband”. Happy relationship the result of proper husbanding, in the original meaning of the word. But the women play their part, too. Or at least they used too. I’d like to believe that somewhere they still do. For example:
Many Christmases ago I was stationed at the Pentagon; Army Intelligence. I became friends with a fella at church who was getting his PhD in Marine Biology. He spent a lot of time collecting slime from the tide pools of Chesapeake Bay. He took me to his family home in Philadelphia one Christmas. His dad decided we were going to sing a trio at his church on Christmas Eve (I was his son’s friend, so I was not a stranger to him or the small church congregation). So we got up and sang a trio – in unison. After church we spent several hours going from one family relative’s house to another. Big extended Italian family. Lots of relatives. Lots of houses. Lots of food and drink presented at each house. Impolite to not partake. It was an evening I will never forget. Lots of men being men (here, drink). Lots of women being women (here, eat).
My friend’s family opened presents on Christmas morning. I slept well Christmas Eve night, with tummy full of food and spirits (my first and last introduction to anise liqueur). It was enjoyable – spending time with a large group of folks who truely and obviously felt that they belonged to each other, that they had an obligation to visit each other even if only for a few moments, and they had an obligation to look after each others’ welfare with food and drink. I slept well, woke, and came down to the family breakfast, and then sort of hung back as the family joined together in the living room to open their presents.
I got the shock of my life when my friend’s sister pulled several presents from under the tree and handed them to me. I was only grateful to be invited to share Christmas with my friend and his family. I had no thoughts of intruding into the privacy of their Christmas morning ritual. It never occurred to me that they would include me in that ritual. Looking back, my grown-up self says “of course they would”. But my young adult self had no expectation of that, and so it made a big impression on me. One of the presents was a hair brush. I had it up until a couple of years ago, when it fell on the floor and broke. My friend died a few years ago from a heart attack – much too young. But I remember all of the food pushed at us that Christmas Eve long ago, by a very large, loving, and well-meaning extended family, and wonder if that played a role.
The socializing and Christmas presents to me were the works of the women. I would like to think that they would still have been that kind-hearted, regardless of the value of their man. But the resources that most (all?) of these women were sharing with everyone were resources obtained by the husband in the workplace,not the wife. He obtained them; she prepared and distributed them. So there is that too.
Merry Christmas everybody. And I wish for all that somewhere you encounter someone who is kind to you in a way that surprises you, just because that’s who they are, as I did that Christmas long ago. Or – perhaps you can be the one kind to another, just because that’s who you are.
Should she have written it? Probably not, at least to save her husband’s reputation! But you can’t deny it was extremely honest.
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It’s always wise to assume the only time a woman is being honest is when she can do more damage with the truth
Apparently any man with a half a descended testicle or better is now a keyboard alpha
One of my best Christmas experiences was with women in Japan. They like to give mini, all white cakes, birthday cakes to celebrate Christ’s birthdays. Stranger in a strange land over Christmas and 3 girls gave me 1 mini cake each
#1 I love the birthday cake for Christ deal. Very cool idea and then there is the rest of it.
For my money, Els and Steph both have been consistent in what they post for years. That’s some legit cred for the interwebz and their is no doubt they habe been good wives and mothers to this point, but the heart is a wicked thing. Even the hearts of apparently decent women.
For the same reason, I also think Bloom is a good bet, I once bid a very fast Sportster and some homemade apple pie on her but once again the heart is a wicked thing, and if we take Bloom at her word, she knows it and guards it well.
In realistic terms, that’s as good as it gets. I wouldn’t marry any of the three given the current legal realities and that heart being wicked deal
Tottaly get the protecting family while blogging darling. I found myself discussed pretty heavily inn the comment section of one of them UK papers. At that point I purged a couple of posts that gave out way to much intell about my kids and girls
@steph since we are on the topic, I do worry about some of the photos you post. While I enjoy seeing your lovely family and would never mean them harm, as you know there are some not nice people out there. In one recent pic you were luckily standing where you blocked the license plate of your neighbors car, barely. I thought, “Thank Goodness, that was close!” Be careful about stuff like that, please. Maybe I worry too much but if people could figure out from a photo of a flag and a clear blue sky where that guy’s “we will not be whatever” flag was, I am sure a photo with more in it could provide much more detail than we’d ever suspect. (In that case they figured it out by the time of the image and the airplane trails in the sky and what planes were in the air when, if you can imagine somehow figuring that out?!?!! And in the middle of a farm field in the middle of nowhere captured the flag!)
https://getriced.com/will-not-divide-us-capture-flag-edition/
Not that I am saying the flag capture wasn’t funny as all get, or the people involved no good, just an example. I am glad the capture the flag folk are on the red pill side of things!
@ Ton my brother would trade me for far less than a motorcycle and some apple pie! I was flattered. 😉 But he objected to the poly situation, old fashioned as he is. Probably spared you a lot of nonsense in the process! Lol.
“Point being a happy relationship is always about the value of the man and rarely about the quality of the woman”
I think both are in the always category.
How happy can it be if he is great value and she has a great bad attitude?
Fuzzie:
To justify raking women who have never transgressed you cite Judgybitch as a example? She stepped over the line. What you do is condemn women who haven’t done anything. Granted, we all have the potential to do terrible things. We aren’t condemned for it because we haven’t done anything wrong. That should be a “given”. The only reason that I can see you going down this road is to intimidate the women.That would make you an internet bully who likes to beat up girls.
Proud of yourself?
You and I have gotten along just fine until you decided for whatever reason to attack me for doing nothing other than telling the truth about female nature, and white knight for women who have (or should have) no problem with the truths we talk about around here. A Dad is right – you need to develop a thicker skin. You also need to gain some perspective – perspective you should have gained from spending a few years around here.
I haven’t condemned anyone of anything. I talked about women’s natures. If any woman is “intimidated” by pixels on a computer screen, she has much, much bigger issues than I’m talking or writing about on here. It doesn’t make me an internet bully; all I do is tell the truth. “I didn’t say it would be easy, all I offered you was the truth.”
It’s just the internet, Fuzzie. No one’s getting bullied. No one’s getting threatened or shaken down for their lunch money. No one’s getting called mean names. All we’re talking about here is male and female nature. And you know (or should know) that.
Given your disturbance with this, you might consider that discussing intersexual relationships and human nature on the internet isn’t for you.
Fuzzie, I’d also like to point out that most of the men here and elsewhere have a wide range of experiences with women. As I said on another thread, I’ve dated a lot of women. I had sex with more than a few women (with varied results and even more varied enjoyment). I’ve had 4 long term relationships. I’ve been married for more than 20 years, and almost divorced. I’ve got 2 kids. Farm Boy, Spawny, A Dad, Ton and BV have all been married and divorced. Dad, Ton and BV have kids.
Elspeth is married and has 5 children. Stephanie is married and has 3 children. Those two are married to their alpha bux men, men they are so sexually attracted to they can barely stand it. Bloom is divorced and has 2 kids, and is in a long distance relationship. Liz, when she was around, was married to a man she says she learned to be attracted to, and has stayed with him.
Much of what we talk about here has been learned through hard won experience, and us sharing our experiences with others. That thing I said up there about female nature? Learned only through experience and through others sitting my ass down (digitally) and schooling me on it, one bit and byte at a time. I did not enjoy it. It was not pleasant. It was downright painful. But I absorbed it and integrated it into my life. (Perhaps someday I will learn that men and women just cannot discuss these things. I’m still working on that one.)
We all have to do things we don’t want to do. Learning the truth about my own nature, and that of women, was one of those things.
The things we talk about around here are intensely personal and sometimes quite painful. It hits you right between the eyes sometimes. That’s the nature of this beast. It takes some balls and guts to face these things. It’s why I said “you must have the courage to face the truth”.
I have that courage. FB, BV, Ton, Dad, Stephanie, Elspeth and Bloom do.
Do you?
@deti
I think all women have the capability to have the behavior to engage in a sinful rebellious lifestyle…but it’s better for them if they dont and some women recognize that through their behavior.
All men have the capability in their leadership role to overlook correcting bad behavior in women and just go along with the bad behavior to ‘keep the peace’…but it’s better for them if they dont and they show that when they correct the woman’s bad behavior.
Your example of correcting your wife I think is a more important lesson than trying to figure out sexual attraction.
Any time a girl nexts me she has spared me a lot of nonsense later on down the road 😉
Very true Ton! 😉
Bloom I always edit out addresses and license plates. There were a ton of pics with my handsome man holding the baby in the snow that I didn’t post because even editing out the stuff behind them with ink seems would have been risky.
Just like Rollo has said he’s easy to find, and I have found his home address, and emailed back and forth with him a few times, he knows it’s out there… Unless you have all your stuff private even with the city. People are too easy to find .
Bloom I always edit out addresses and license plates. There were a ton of pics with my handsome man holding the baby in the snow that I didn’t post because even editing out the stuff behind them with ink seems would have been risky.
Just like Rollo has said he’s easy to find, and I have found his home address, and emailed back and forth with him a few times, he knows it’s out there… Unless you have all your stuff private even with the city. People are too easy to find .
@steph glad you are aware of these things 🙂 And are being careful. Of course w your hubby job I am sure he knows more about it than I do and also makes sure stuff is safe. Whew!
I think we’re lucky he’s in a big department with powerful lawyers that we pay each paycheck to protect us from bogus claims – like a follower of Seriously Serving’s who falsely reported my husband as a pedophile, just because she didn’t like that I wrote a critical post on SS’s post lol.
I’m sure she thinks she’s “virtuous” lol.
But yea, my husband approves everything I do and has the ultimate “veto” of what makes it out there. That’s including Facebook! He won’t even allow certain things to be posted on there to friends and family!
Deti,
To do as you did would require you to see yourself as Stephanie’s superior. You’re not. You are not her father. You are not her husband. You are not her boss. You are a fellow commenter.
Pretty much every man breathing is superior to women.
Fuzzie, I think while at first things came across as personal/were taken personal, I think it’s been clarified. Nobody’s accusing me, or Steph, or Elsbeth of being liars here. Or even saying JB has done worse than anything any of us has felt or thought (she does not say she had an affair or left her husband, just that she had dangerous feelings.) Nobofys claiming Deti is perfect, or Ton, or dad… Or even you. So let’s not make a mountain out of a molehill. Nobody’s perfect is really the bottom line takeaway, and even the bible says that. If we were perfect we would not need the Devine, nor would there be so much strife and suffering in the world.
RPG,
My last comment was in response to Deti. Did you consider asking him, or did you know that I would be more amenable?
RPG,
You may not be aware of it, but when Deti pulled this on Molly over at Spawny’s, it took a lot of persuasion to get her to come back. Now, She only comments when Cill is on or late at night.
Fuzzie – Let us save you from your own inevitable doom.
https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=317903&stc=1
RPG – I wouldn’t be heartbroken if my post is forced to disappear from the moderation pool. We can leave it at that.
Fuzzie I am not interested in moderating personal conflicts. Everyone here are adults. I figure they can speak for themselves and directly to whomever they are debating with. Let’s not beat a dead horse.
Also as I have said before, if everyone can take these discussions in a general way rather than personally, it’s easier to discuss these sometimes difficult topics.
RPG,
There is only one problem with that, and it is a a big one. When you have someone that can’t write a comment without insulting somebody, it puts us all on the defensive. Eventually, we all end up at that level. It would be nice if we could all act as adults, but one apple spoils the whole barrel.
There is one consolation. This person is bad enough on the internet. It is hard to imagine what it is like in real life. Odds will catch up with this one in time.
LOL I was hoping someone would post that
@fuzzie….
The other thing I take into consideration is that perhaps the internet persona is a ‘bit’ (an act, performance, or routine).
Plus there are people out there who just like to get others going. Insults are the easiest way to do it.
That’s why I think sites like Heartiste and Roosh are probably something like 30% truth and 70% embellishment/insults/triggers to get a rise out of people.
Ton, the other image didn’t post, which was supposed to complete it:
Fuzzie, we are only pointing out that every woman here is perfectly capable of defending herself. Once again, Deti didn’t even start the debate in this thread.
I don’t think that anyone is trying to insult you. Just trying to get you to loosen up a bit. You’re a likable dude, but are really wrapped up in something that goes far beyond this discussion. You’ve got to break out of it, man.
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