A commenter suggested I check out season two episode 4 of The Crown on Netflix.
Well I just watched it and while there are many red pill moments, I believe he was referring to a really great example of dark triad game run on Princess Margaret, then the world’s most eligible woman.
The whole episode is good but it cuts to the chase around 37 minutes in, when the single princess shows up at a photographer’s studio, a man she met at a party who intrigued her with his bad boy vibe.
I’d highly recommend you watch it for yourself but his understanding of what makes Princess Margaret’s neurons flip is spot on. You can practically see her flinching from the tingles.
And it worked like a charm, because she ends up marrying him, having his kids, and bringing him into wealth and connections that help launch his already successful photography career over the top.
One could also argue how rather than be a moth to a flame Margaret would have been better off running for her life as the relationship soon turned into (surprise!) a disaster.
The two later have various affairs, get involved in drugs and heavy drinking, make each other miserable, and become the first royals to divorce since the days of Henry VIII.
Not surprisingly, the couple was celebrated as “progressive” and “real” and “bucking tradition” and “bringing the monarchy into the modern age.”
Despite the spin I do have to wonder, were the tingles worth it? For her? For their two kids? (who I wonder about, who was raising them while their parents were so busy being 60s/70s icons?)
The Dark Triad man is captivating indeed, thrilling and edgy. But there are two sides to him and what goes up must come down. Beware playing with fire, it burns. The good times are usually far, far briefer than the bad.
What do you think? Please share in the comments. (And if you have Netflix, watch the clip!)
I’ve only seen the first season of the Crown…but from what I could remember Margaret was portrayed as a rebel who was a thrill seeker. It wouldn’t surprise me she would end up with a bad boy. Women who act like that usually end up with men who act like that (although now they often don’t get married).
Farm Boy said:
Probably she was extra susceptible because all of her life she had been suplicated to.
I suspect that the man’s name was Armstrong-Jones and that his rogering of the princess on a boat called Britannia in the Firth of Forth was followed by a tidal wave in Vanuatu.
Alan Kardec said:
I’d call the show’s depiction of the man Margret married that of an Alpha Cad. But the way he works her seems as if it’s from a text book on seducing a high value woman. The thing is he isn’t so much “it” as he is playing it or faking it. A popular photographer, he had a lot of practice with beautiful women. A potentially bisexual swinger, sex and seduction was his playground … or at least that’s the way this situation is fictionalized.
On the other hand, Margret’s first love, Captain Peter Townsend, the man she waited for many years for, was possibly a true Alpha. He was an RAF ace, a hero of the Battle of Britain and the days when England fought the Axis totally alone. He is not portrayed as a guy who is trying to do anything or seduce anyone. If I remember season one correctly, he’s written like he’s pretty much just marching to his own music.
Anyway, that episode of The Crown is very well scripted from both characters points of view. As learning experience for women it suggests that the attraction to a man who seems to be sorta Alpha-ish can be a serious problem. Margret had a shot at a real man, and probably could have found another, but she couldn’t tell the difference, or realize what that difference would mean, when something else started pushing her buttons. As a learning experience for men … well, just watch it. If you don’t mind being a player it’s educational TV.
@ Farm Boy when they meet at the party he says that exact thing. When she asks if he will photograph her, he says he will if she drops the princess act at the studio door and does exactly what he says after. She says something in rebuff and then he calls her on it, saying something like she’s been waiting her whole life to be supplicating… I am paraphrasing but that’s roughly what was said. And he was right… she wanted to be taken control of.
Exactly Alan, Alpha Cad. The whole episode had lots of red pill moments, like when before meeting the photog Margaret considers accepting a proposal of a hum drum beta orbiter, only to have word get out and suddenly women are throwing themselves at him. Preselection in play. He flubs it up and loses his chance, only to be followed by the photog. Agreed Townsend was Alpha but I do question what he was doing,married, leading on his boss’s teen daughter, he’s 18 years her senior, in a doomed affair. In her 40s she takes a lover in his 20s who looks eerily like Townsend, maybe she never got over him? Pretty interesting stuff and again a good reminder that people have always been struggling w these same themes… lust, betrayal, forbidden love, apathy, etc. it’s just more open perhaps today?
Yes Cill that’s the one, later Earl of Snowden. I am getting quite the history lesson from this series!
Alan Kardec said:
I really don’t believe in all the dogmatic Alpha/Beta hierarchy that much of TRP philosophy puts out but just to go with it experimentally for a moment …
I too am not sure if Townsend would qualify as Alpha. Britain ruled half the world by turning out regiments of pretty bad ass Betas. British society of the last century seems designed to produce a Beta that would elevate the Empire as a whole to Alpha status.
In the days when empires just went out and took stuff at the point of a sword it may have been a survival tactic for the motherland to send the Alphas off to sea, to conquer foreign lands, to steal the gold and cotton and tobacco (and souls) and send it home or on to God or whatever. You move the trouble makers out, they become your muscle in the colonies and the homeland gets rich in the bargain. At least until the blood starts running thin. You can only export and kill off your best for so long.
Once you settle into an empire you have to administer, rather than just pillage, you really need a highly disciplined, brave, loyal and competent Beta. Spain took the pillage thing to a high art. England was good at it but then they also showed they could transition to administration in the 19th century.
These would have been very high performing Betas and they hit their peak in WWII and were rewarded for their performance as if they were Alphas. But they weren’t necessarily Sir Francis Drake, Edward Teach, or Henry Morgan … or even Winston Churchill.
The current film The Darkest Hour undercuts Churchill’s real-life resolve a bit. Truly, when he flipped Adolph the bird in the speech that the film’s title comes from it may have been one of the ballsiest acts of defiance since the Spartans said, “Molon labe.”
Then again he was half American … possibly part Native American.
Ash Pariseau (Dames That Know) said:
I never understood the appeal of such a character. Even the bad boy in the new season of Stranger Things is being made a fuss about. The guy isn’t even attractive.
SFC Ton said:
I am disturbed by how many men appear to watch that soap opera
David Foster said:
Following Alan Kardec’s chain of thoughts, there may be such a thing as ‘civilizational Alpha’….that is, the self-confidence or lack or same of an entire society may redound to the attractiveness credit or discredit of individual men within it. This is what Goethe seems to be implying in his essay on why male English visitors were so popular with the German girls in his day:
(although, per Alan’s other point, it’s important to realize that Alpha/Beta and all that is just a model, sometimes useful and sometimes wrong like all conceptual models)
Alan Kardec said:
Ton: “I am disturbed by how many men appear to watch that soap opera.”
LOL. You’d hope there would be another series like Band of Brothers or The Pacific out there! And I have just about all the John Ford and Howard Hawks movies memorized. Dead right call: it’s just about the most lavishly produced soap opera ever.
Stephanie G (@MsStephanieG1) said:
Americans talking about the royal family and British history is like British people talking about American Football. Princess Margaret was wild long before she met Tony Armstrong-Jones. Group Captain Townsend dodged a bullet by not marrying her. Look up Margaret ‘s relationship with gangster John Binden. She publically denied ever meeting Binden even though photographs of the pair together on Mustique where in the British newspapers.
Very true, he by no means corrupted her. She was already going down that path.
And it’s true this is kind of a soap opera, who knows if it’s anything close to what actually happened.
Stephanie G (@MsStephanieG1) said:
Churchill was Jewish.
Jewish? Like mannish?
Or was he a Jew? As many English have been.
“… who knows if it’s anything close to what actually happened.”
It is a dramatization about the life of a current British monarch. There are too many sources available to verify “facts” presented in the docudrama. And communication is instantaneous today. I think those 3 things would keep the writers of the show honest about the facts of WHAT happened, while allowing a certain leeway for the sake of drama in presenting exactly HOW they happened.
Those were my thoughts while watching the episode wherein the Kennedys appeared and the Queen danced with that African dude.
The troll trolling she is
A new post at Spawny’s there is
Alan Kardec said:
RPG: “… who knows if it’s anything close to what actually happened.”
Anytime something is dramatized you need to take it with an entire block of salt. Reality should ever stand in the way of a good script … or more accurately: writing a good script usually means re-engineering reality.
I may have led this discussion astray. The point was that a particular episode does a great job of exploring a number of Red Pill aspects through drama. The writers really knew what they were doing and created a number of expertly produced examples. If you’re going to do soap this is the super bowl.
Happy New Year!
Indeed Alan, many really well scripted red pill moments in that episode! And even if it isn’t “exactly” as it happened, after reading up more on this Snowden character, it’s likely not far off. He was apparently quite the swinger, and it’s reported, at least in the early years, he and Margaret could hardly keep their hands off each other.
RPG: “… he’s 18 years her senior…” This is meant as a disqualifier, consistent with current popular culture.
Obviously Townsend was too close to her age to make it work. Feature, not a bug.”Replace Daddy!” is what privileged, alpha females seek. Men who marry them, and don’t realize this, will be divorced or emasculated, maybe both.
One of my 20-something friends has a father who loves her. He’s in prison. What does she want? one might speculate. Well, she wants what she cannot express publicly, without being shamed by the culture.
SFC Ton said:
it’s just about the most lavishly produced soap opera ever.
The entertainment industry makes two kinds of products.
Product #1 is all about negroes being awesome, good White chicks are into race mixing and White men are evil
Product #2 is all about making chicks feel shit.
Given that the story is about English royalty I knew it was all about the feels without ever seeing the show
‘ He was apparently quite the swinger’
From what I read on the Wiki he was a bisexual cad.
@ BV, I didn’t mean to imply the age gap was so much the problem as was his being married, and that putting them ever being together while his wife then ex-wife was alive just completely insurmountable at the time.
I know a couple with a 40-year age gap who have been together since she was 18, and they are by all accounts very happy. Not that they haven’t had their issues (like him having an affair w the neighbor gal) but they worked thru them. Does she have a Daddy complex? Likely. But I say those who find it in this life are lucky and I have always admired their bravery to be together regardless of what others think. People always assume it’s bc of his money, and I am sure it may be partially that, but they have been through so much that others have not made it thru (serious health issues, the affair, running a biz together, etc.) that it can’t be just about the money. I should write a post about those two…
Yes I read that too, Earl. It appears he was a swinger in every sense. The married couple who let him and Margaret meet under the radar at their house? The wife had a baby shortly after Snowden and Margaret were a couple. DNA tests four decades later showed the baby to be his! And reportedly he was the lover to both the wife and husband!
SFC Ton said:
All girls have Daddy issues. Some have the self destruct kind, some have the want a man like Daddy but better kind but all girls have them
A Dad said:
“I am disturbed by how many men appear to watch that soap opera”
I don’t even watch TV.