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Over the past few decades, we’ve gone from the belief that much of human behavior is determined by biology to the idea that humans begin as a blank slate and their behavior is largely learned, not predetermined.
It’s called a “social construction of reality,” this idea that we are who we are and think/believe like we do because we’ve been molded by outside forces and social/cultural norms, that these forces then determined our reality, who we become.
One example would be going from the idea that chromosomes determine gender, XX or XY, to the idea that gender is something imposed and taught from the outside: girls and boys act the way they do because they have been taught to act like and/or have been treated like girls or boys.
Except the idea has been pushed so far, the narrative has seemingly gone beyond social construction to post social construction.
Take the gender debate, for example. It’s gone from something that one is born, to something one is taught, to now something one chooses themselves, independently of biology or cultural forces.
This would mean gender is not a biological or social construct, but a self construct.
This shift dovetails into the also increasingly popular idea that each person is as unique as a snowflake, rather than the previously held ones that people are who they are due to genetics, or then culture.
However, logically the progression is an unstable one. In the first two models, it is not an individual choice — it’s either predetermined biologically (XX or XY) or predetermined by culture and those around you. To jump from that to its something that is decided at some point along the way by the individual themself (and could change at any time) is a radical departure from the two previous models.
And yet it’s being presented as a natural progression of, even another shade of, social construction.
I am not sure how or when that happened, but I suspect there’s little science but lots of emotion backing the view.
This is one obvious example of the rapidly shifting Overton Window of our time, but certainly not the only one. I find it interesting how it seemingly slipped in, unannounced, on the tails of social constructionalim.
What do you think? Are we now living in a post social construction world? And if so, when and how did that happen and what does that mean?
Are we born who we are, taught who we are, or choose who we are? Perhaps some combination of the three?
Please feel free to muse on the idea in the comments!
As I’ve written on my blog and on the TRP subreddit in the past, all of this can be traced to Nietzsche and the subsequent rise of the post-modernists and Cultural Marxism:
Oops, here’s a direct link to the above (I think): https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/7uclpr/the_pedestal/dtl0tf5/
This whole shift to narcissistic hyper-individualism, ironically, makes us easier to control. Which is probably why it seems to be pushed by the global elites and media.
That’s really interesting Copperfox, on the surface it seems highly individualistic people would be harder to control. And the narrative that “different is better” certainly is a strong one. How does it make people more controllable?
Preying on people’s egos and selfish desires while giving them the illusion of freedom to choose to be “good” is a tried and true method to convince them to do what you want.
We use it all the time on children in the West … we call it Santa Claus.
The reality is most of us will die in the same social class we were born into, and most of our choices are limited by practical realities. But tell people that and they might revolt. Better to distract them with some Brave New World style soma. It is the blue pill in a nutshell.
If, say, genetic biological immutability accounts for 70-80% of sex-based preferences and aptitudes, then imagine how malevolently insistent, unremitting, and remorseless the Leftoid Equalist social pressures would have to be to overcome that innate predisposition and have an impact on the choices of growing boys and girls. Downright evil, really
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2018/02/20/meta-analysis-sex-based-differences-are-biological-and-unchangeable/
Some reading to help decipher the nonsense:
1. Who Stole Feminism
2. The Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature
3. Fools, Frauds and Firebrands: Thinkers of the New Left
” Are we now living in a post social construction world?”
My favorite expression these days is, “Welcome to Hell.”
“And if so, when and how did that happen and what does that mean?”
Slowly throughout time, generations of satanic elite opening demonic portals.
“Are we born who we are, taught who we are, or choose who we are? Perhaps some combination of the three?”
I’m in the born that way camp, but it is possible to mold people into things they are not like Pavlov’s dog.
Welcome toxic mail carrier! Your post was held up automatically bc of two or more links but it should be there now.
Biology determines whether you have an innie or an outie, or maybe both, or none at all. Lots of things other than biology influence how you present that innie or outie to the world.
Sex is biological: we don’t get to decide what our chromosomes are
Gender is a social construction; within limits (imposed by our social group), we get to decide how we present ourselves to society.
By definition, those who have innies are called female.
By definition, those who have outies are called male.
There is not universal agreement amongst all social groups worldwide on what constitutes a “man” or a “woman”. The requirements one must meet to be called one or the other vary across cultures.
Not a real difficult concept to master.
This is an interesting read along these lines.
https://orthosphere.wordpress.com/2018/02/16/the-social-construction-swindle/
‘Are we born who we are, taught who we are, or choose who we are? ‘
Probably all three…our body assigns the biological, our parents and teachers teach us about it (as well as friends, media, and other outlets), and when we are adults we choose it.
I think the middle part is where the confusion and skewing comes in…when we are at our most prone and vulerable years.
@ gla I feel the same, even if it sounds all conspiracy theory. It only seems like a coincidence, all the upending destabilizing chaos…
Earl, I agree.
It has been a very difficult time for me as my Daughter has been sold that theme at some point in her teen years. It is very easy for me to see that she has something going on inside her….maybe a lack of confidence in being a woman? I don’t know exactly what it is, but she has a vulnerability about her that causes her to compensate by believing that she is really a man. She sees everything through the lens of transgender firstly.
It is bizarre to say the least, because she has such feminine qualities and mannerisms, but she cannot see these things. She appears to believe that if she looks like a male and people are fooled, then she’s doing it right. I have found that people who latch on to this fantasy also like to be viewed as victims in just about every aspect of daily life. So many silver spoons in a single oblivious mouth. It is a sad thing to watch.
I have tried everything that I can think of to appeal to her sense of reason. Outside of this fantasy, she is such a reliable and hard working person. As a young adult, she has a much stronger work ethic than 99% of the people that I know. You can literally trust this gal with your life.
The thing that bothers me a lot, but I suppose is true of most people, is that she has surrounded herself with “you go Boy” cheerleaders. These people are the worst form of humanity, IMO, and it is very difficult for me to restrain myself from hurting them physically. Most of the orbiting parents in this dimension have never been able to say the word “no”. There was one set of parents of her female friend that offered to adopt her when they found that we were not calling her “son.”
The only thing that I have been able to accomplish is to convince her to postpone taking HRT, which is a bullshit term for recreational, permanent drug use. I am hoping that the things that she is going to experience in the coming years will get her attention and get her to realize that she should stop running away from herself. But, I think that this has to occur before she starts with the drug.
One of those certain events will be the implosion of her relationship with her girlfriend. As confused as she is, the girlfriend seems even more adrift. They are now sharing an apartment and slight notions of marriage have been floated. The interesting thing is that the girlfriend considers herself completely heterosexual. If that is the case, then I think that my daughter is in for a hard fall when the girlfriend eventually craves real masculinity, not an act of masculinity.
I wish that I could do more.
I never thought that I would be here.
I would give anything to get her out.
If I could recommend one thing to those who have young children, it would be that you guard them from the garbage influences of modern society. The impressions that they can receive are poison and can have an influence over them that builds into a run-away train in just a few years. I believe that a majority of the shit in this country is a result of how we surrender our children to the government runs schools. Had I not done that, I do not believe that my daughter would be living this theater act.
Ih8lookingback that has got to be so difficult! . I think delaying the hrt is wise and Ihope your daughter sorts thru all this soon.
A highly related post at the blog of my friend Bookworm:
http://www.bookwormroom.com/2018/02/20/gender-dysphoria-drugs-genetic-sex/
@ David, wow… The part of the article that talks about the connection between the pill and a surge in same sex activity in the grandchildren of the rats exposed in original studies and what we have seen emerge in 2nd generation after women started taking the pill… Wow.
I think things like transgender come about because we have no clue about our God given sexuality anymore. Sexuality is only fluid when you have no clue what sexuality is in the first place. This androgynous mindset many have leads to nothing but confusion, discontent, and no real purpose in life.
A guy I know currently has a daughter going through this confusion…he flat out said she has short hair, wraps up her breasts, and still has periods. It’s messed up that young people don’t know their true talents in the sex God gave them.
While not proof what’s said about the pill above is fact, this suggests a compound in the Pill does seem to have a gender bender effect on fish… Apparently 68% of the compound is later peed out, flushed, and then enters the environment. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2015/03/30/fish-dont-want-birth-control-but-scientists-say-they-get-it-from-your-pill/?utm_term=.a85b23a9a54b
RPG…from what I have read…haven’t studied this in depth…most of the estrogen in water does not come from birth control pills, but from agricultural waste.
@ David I see… It still does raise the question of this stuff really is coming from somewhere besides just whims, like if it’s ideology or biological (by contamination.) and/or both, maybe there’s an environmental trigger that’s increasing the numbers who are in turn becoming more vocal. Hard to say much less prove but maybe the spike in this is due to an environmental trigger rather than a social one?
I’ll just go back to my original point at the start of the comments: regardless whether it is a social or environmental trigger, sowing confusion about things like gender identity is a perfect distraction.
Case in point in the U.S., now instead of focusing on things like sound fiscal policy, we are arguing about who gets to use whose bathroom.
If I could recommend one thing to those who have young children, it would be that you guard them from the garbage influences of modern society.
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The upside to being anti-Semitic is I never let much of that shit into my home, and cut it out to damn near 0 by the time my daughter was 8
I think these folks on the bubble have always been with us but healthy cultures and societies reinforce the healthy side of things and they would turn out ok. Now our society is evil and corrupt, putting more folks on the bubble, then pushes them into weakness and unhealthy/ corrupt lifestyles.
Tldr healthy cultures reproduce/ duplicate themselves and their ancestors. Doomed ones come up with new moralties that do not duplicate what works
So true Copperfox! Well said.
my brain just doesn’t stretch in these ways … so it just befuddles me how society has had to manipulate itself to allow these kinds of thoughts to become enough ‘norm’ to be generally ‘accepted,’ or to at least be given little more than a shrug. super distorted stuff.
‘The grandchildren of the originally exposed fish suffered a 30 percent decrease in their fertilization rate. The authors mulled the impact of what they discovered and decided it wasn’t good.’
Well we’re not fish…but there have been the studies showing the T levels in men going down over the past few generations.
https://www.healio.com/endocrinology/hormone-therapy/news/print/endocrine-today/%7Bac23497d-f1ed-4278-bbd2-92bb1e552e3a%7D/generational-decline-in-testosterone-levels-observed
They were baffled because they thought it could be things like obesity…but they never considered perhaps it was guys drinking that estrogentic stuff in the water.
Guys carrying on extra body fat I would think would be a side effect of lower T rather than the cause.
Hard to say Earl. But if the compounds are leading to the fat gain (soy boy or dad bod) I am not sure but my guess is they may be stored in fat cells too.
‘What Causes High Estrogen Symptoms in Men?
A number of factors can throw the estrogen/testosterone balance out of whack in men, leading to high estrogen symptoms. Some of these factors include:
Increased fat relative to muscle. A loss of lean muscle tissue and an increase in fat tissue also typically occurs with advancing age, as well as with metabolic disorders such as obesity and type 2 diabetes. Fat tissue contains aromatase and thus converts testosterone to estrogen. Fat also serves as a reservoir for storing estradiol. Both these factors lead to increased estrogen levels in men.’
https://universityhealthnews.com/daily/nutrition/8-surprising-high-estrogen-symptoms-in-men/
Basically there’s no reason for a man to carry on extra body fat. Women need it for childbearing (but not to the obese levels…talking 20-25%). That’s why fat levels are always higher in women than men.
Most men live womanish lives of indoors work with no life or death high risk high reward situations so of course they are low testosterone soy boys
on the topic of social media reinforcing one’s perception of self … just saw a new meme going around:
*Borrowed from a friend* … How have I affected your life in a positive way. Share the love with your friends!
iow … tell me how wonderful and great i am!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂
Funny that there are never any memes that go….’How have I affected your life in a negative way?’
The model that concepts in culture alter things is wrong. What we ‘hear’ as culture is a manifestation of the biological changes of populations.
The pill and other assorted wastes accumulating in people are causing the cultural expressions we see today. There is an underlying change that has come from biology first.
I feel it is a blend of both. Certain things, like masculinity, the will and desire to build and destroy respectively, in men, and the care-taking abilities that women possess, including child birth, is determined by biology. However, things like personality, likes and dislikes, phobias and so on are more often than not determined by outside forces.
Last I read the nerds where saying up to 80% of our personalities are inherited
Who knows if they are correct? Any research along those lines is dismmised as racist and we know most research results cannot be duplicated but it matches with what I have seen in the world sooop I am a we are all biological robots camp
The nature vs. nurture thing is difficult to sort out as most people are raised in their bio family so it’s hard to say if traits are inborn or learned wi the family. But studies of people adopted at birth suggest there is a strong “inborn traits” component. Studies of twins adopted to different families find lots of personality/interest/skill similarities, for example.
The development of sexual identify / sexual desire is a complicated one that has long been recognized and studied – at least from the time of Oedipus Rex (kill father, marry mother). Alterations of any of the sequences that occur between birth and mature sexual expression can and do change the nature of that expression. There are academic fields of study and research that have developed a significant body of knowledge around this topic. Some of that information was presented in the link that David Foster gave. But one statement made there can be misleading.
1. The person is not a hermaphrodite, because the body is genetically perfectly aligned with male or female, but hormones may have caused the brain not to recognize the body.
2. Genetically, absent true hermaphrodism, the body is what it is: Either male or female. It’s the brain that’s in error.
If Statement 1 is true, then it must be true regardless of whether those hormones were ingested / brought in from outside the body or were produced within the body. This is the information I left out of my first post above, because it is a complex discussion better suited for the research lab of the scientist. Chromosomes determine sex (whether innie or outie), and that is determined at the moment of conception. But sex (biology) is also more than just the visible. All of the organs that generate hormones, the amount they generate, the number of receptors for those hormones, and the sensitivity of those receptors are also determined by chromosomes and genes. It’s just that this stuff is not visible in the way that an innie or outie is.
The organs that generate hormones, the amount they generate, the number of receptors for those hormones, and the sensitivity of those receptors – PLUS everything alluded to in the first paragraph above – are what go into the development of sexual identity / sexual desire. It is a mixture of nature and nurture that makes our sexual responsiveness unique to us.
Given all of that – given that chromosomes and genes create bodily functions that govern our sexual expression as well as creating our innie or outie – Statement 2 above from David Foster’s link is misleading when it states that the brain is in error. The brain is muchly influenced by the hormones our body produces. It is biologically possible for the genetics to create an innie or an outie and at the same time create a hormonal system that tends more to what is normal for the opposite sex. When that has happened, it is really not correct to state that the brain (which is heavily influenced by hormonal expression) is in error.
From earl’s post that starts with “‘What Causes High Estrogen Symptoms in Men?”
Estrogens are created in fat tissue (among other places). Estrogens give women a sense of well-being. The more fat, the more estrogen, the greater the sense of well-being.
The science indicates that is a true description. So turn it around. The less fat, the less estrogen, the lower the sense of well-being.
Explains a few things.
” Estrogens give women a sense of well-being. The more fat, the more estrogen, the greater the sense of well-being.”
http://www.bioexamples.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/skinny-girl-meme-1580397c8577240b61fa9569b58d9a53_-skinny-memes-image-memes-meme-skinny_510-407.jpe
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you saying that skinny women have less sense of well-being?!?!?!? hahahahaha
I think there must be a tipping point where it reverses 😀 I mean, I don’t think most women enjoy being unhealthy and overweight! Just saying 😉
LOL
hehe!!!!!!!
RichardP… you started something 😀 ❤
LOL!!!!
Stephanie – this is informed speculation on my part. Some research seems to support this.
An organ can produce too little, too much, or just enough hormone. There can be to few, too many, or just enough receptors to accept that hormone. Those receptors can be too sensitive, not sensitive enough, or just the right amount of sensitive to the hormone they are designed to bind to. (that much is true, not speculation)
If a woman needs more estrogen than “normal” (for one of the reasons in the previous paragraph), getting it through its production in fatty tissue might be a solution. If that is the case, then yes, she will loose her (more better) sense of well being by losing the fat that is helping to create her “normal” (for her) level of estrogens.
A “normal” amount of estrogen is going to create a sense of well being only if you have a normal number of receptors and they all have a normal sensitivity to the hormone. Any deviation from “normal” in any of these three (amount of estrogen, number of receptors, sensitivity of receptors) can lead to a situation where the body attempts to restore “normal”. In theory (and seemingly supported by evidence), adding fat to the body can help in getting to “normal”. Gives a slightly different take on the term “comfort food”.
“If a woman needs more estrogen than “normal” (for one of the reasons in the previous paragraph), getting it through its production in fatty tissue might be a solution.”
LOL Ok….
I will be chuckling for a while. Stephanie has a sense of humor. Estrogen must be ascending.
there’s a difference between skinny and underweight & unhealthy.
being underweight and unhealthy causes all sorts of health problems.
not enough body fat causes a woman to stop having periods – many female athletes have few periods (i had roomies in college on the track team). eating disorders cause the same.
women do need a certain amount of body fat to be healthy. that does not mean they need to be fat (Stephanie! you know this!!! 🙂 )
Stephanie has a great sense of humor 😉
I think it’s around 20-25% body fat for most women.
That’s certainly not obese standards. A 130 lb woman should have roughly 26-30 lbs of fat.
I think most men it’s anywhere from 8-20% body fat. Male privilege and all.
I’ve dropped about 4% body fat since I redid my lifestyle. I can certainly notice a difference.
I’m just kidding lol!!!!
I’m sure to most people I’d be considered one of the skinny peoples… but I have to be careful… if I even look at a Cupcake the wrong way, I gain 5 pounds lol….
I think it’s just balance, and keeping exercising in your life that helps.
Ame I was a runner and dancer my whole life… the ones who don’t have periods or who have extremely light ones every other month, I don’t think they’re eating enough.
Women’s bodies are designed to store fat more easily as a safeguard against famine, especially during pregnancy or breastfeeding. So it makes sense a woman would “feel better//wellbeing” in that range. If a woman’s body at goes too low, her libido and sex drive drop off. Again maybe bc pregnancy is not safe at a very low body weight. All that said more is not necessarily better, being very overweight increases all sorts of serious health risks. “Normal” is always a good goal.
Women’s bodies are designed to creste boners, take in cock/ baby batter and spit out babies.
To much fat = no boner
To little fat = bruised hips when you are railing that bitch out from behind
Either one causes a reduction in baby production
LOL! My daily dose of Ton wisdom! Don’t know what I’d do without it! ☺
A good friend of mine went on a diet kick. She wasn’t much overweight but a little after two babies and growing older. Her husband told her not to loose too much because he liked her soft. He is tall and thin, and I told her when she lightly complained that of course he liked her soft! He’s getting older and he’ll always be thin and it would not be comfortable having sex with a bony woman ☺
Yeah, more than a skeleton, less than a pillow…that’s the sweet spot.
There is a new post at Spawny’s
https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2018/02/24/awesome-single-women-revisited/
LOL Ame… no offense to thin men… but I think most women are attracted to men with a little more meat on them (even fat!). I’ve never been attracted to the skinny male type 😀 makes me feel fat LOL! If he can fit into my pants better than I can… there’s a problem LOL
like this:
And Earl that picture is a good reference. It’s weird though that if a woman is an ectomorph, she will look fatter even at 25% body fat, than a mesomorph or endomorph could get away with. When I’m even at 23% body fat, it’s really noticeable. I have to be around 17% to look like a mesomorph with 20% because my bones really are tinier.
‘ I’ve never been attracted to the skinny male type 😀 makes me feel fat LOL! ‘
It’s the same thing with tall girls….they like my height because they can wear high heels and still not feel tall. But I’m not going to add fat to make her feel better…I prefer muscle because it weighs more than fat and takes up less room.
I’d hate to think how much fat a woman has when she has a Volkswagon in her backside. It’s certainly more than 45%.