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A comment by regular “Love” a few posts back got me thinking about the idea of a gal having, “a broken picker.” What I mean by that is when a gal keeps picking the same kind of guys and keeps getting poor relationship results. Or maybe it’s not that she’s got a broken picker, but that’s she’s simply broken?
“Love” brought up this interesting idea in the comments a few posts back about one reason women (and men) may find themselves in relationships that go nowhere and end badly over and over again — is because maybe they are either consciously or subconsciously picking partners who are unable to give commitment or true intimacy, and this in turn allows the gal in question to avoid her own commitment and intimacy issues, while conveniently being able to blame the guy or culture and cry, “victim!”
It is an interesting idea and one I had not considered before — what if it’s not just bad luck, a bad choice, or a con job? What if it’s not because she’s naive, or being manipulated, or mislead, or “doesn’t get it.” What if it’s not the what things have changed with dating and marriage, or the culture, or due to today’s bad relationship advice? What if in fact she’s actually picking the types of guys who cannot and will not commit and who are unable to truly give or receive intimacy because she herself can’t, won’t, or doesn’t want to either?
I know one such gal, I’ve written about my former neighbor Vixen before. As long as I have known her, her relationship choices have puzzled me. She always has a lot of guy drama and frankly the guys she chooses never seem to be “commitment” types. So they do this dance where she says all she wants is commitment, but her actions are doing everything to ensure that even if a non-commit guy starts to change his mind, no guy in his right mind would go there. But to hear her tell it, THEY are to blame. It’s always some story of a guy (or guys) doing her some huge injustice and how all she wants is to settle down and be with someone.
I think “Love” may have finally solved the puzzle — I think Vixen herself is unable to commit, unable to truly stop playing the dating game, unable to be faithful or true, and deep down doesn’t want the level of relationship where she would have to give up the games and actually fly straight. She doesn’t want a “real” relationship because she doesn’t want to have to answer to anyone, meet any expectations, or be a real life partner.
Well, I suppose that is a choice and if so maybe she should just get real about it, drop the victim act, and admit she’s choosing this. She’s choosing it by the types of guys she dates. She’s choosing this by the way she acts while she’s dating them. And she chooses this every time she sabotages relationships that start to go toward stability and commitment.
Vixen is still good looking enough and charming enough to get attention from the types of guys she wants attention from. Sure, it may not be for long, but it is still there. However what I can see that she seemingly does not is that window is closing. It won’t be too long from now that she will go from the hot girl at the bar to the bar fly.
In addition, right now she makes a living cleaning houses, and that combined with child support and govt. assistance pays the bills. But as her kids grow up and move out, her chronic back injury starts bothering her more and more, and she can’t do the physical labor she does now (or doesn’t want to) then what? She has no other job skills, no savings, no retirement, no assets whatsoever to sell or liquidate.
Maybe she could live with her kids? Well, sadly and not surprisingly, considering the drama soaked environment they have been raised in, they are not doing too well themselves. The oldest is in middle school but acts far older and is very much following in her mother’s footsteps by making boy drama and manipulating boys with her looks, figure, and charm the main focus of her life. The younger sister is sullen and withdrawn, spending hours alone by herself, locked up in her room. I wonder how and when the feelings she has locked inside will come out and what the result will be? The youngest, a two-year-old boy, seems oblivious for now but it can’t be good for him to the the center of all the fighting and power struggles with his father and the other guys in and out of the picture, something Vixen doesn’t try to shield him or the older two from. I wonder if her kids will even talk to her once they grow up?
Anyway, it’s not really about her, but I do think her story is an example of the kind of gal “Love” described in her comment — she’s a Skittles girl who goes for cads. The results are predictable, but somehow and on some level it seems to be working for her enough that she’s not making any changes. And even if she did, at this point, wouldn’t any sane, stable, solid guy just hear her stories and RUN?
I know I stopped being able to take the roller coaster several years ago, and while I hear from her from time to time, I don’t seek her out socially or get our kids together anymore because I don’t want them exposed to that. Plus, I want to and am taking a different path myself.
In any case, “Love’s” comment got me thinking, perhaps many of these gals who are unlucky in love, with lots of sad stories, and many failed relationships are not victims at all — but are actually choosing their lot? Or if not choosing it, refusing to look at why their picker seems to be broken and what they could do about that?
What do you think? Please share in the comments.
Many people would surely froth at the mouth and scream “Victim blaming!” The thing about being a victim though is, you unknowingly got put into a situation once. Now, it’s up to you to take the appropriate precautions to avoid that from happening again. These women are no such victims. They do not for a moment look into their hearts and say “What’s wrong with me? Am I doing something wrong?” It’s always easier to create a scapegoat then cry crocodile’s tears afterwards.
My thoughts are this: I never got dates. Girls always dissed me. When I finally got a girl, thinking I would be happy, it didn’t happen. Know what I did to solve that problem? Stop dating. I’ve been happier ever since. The solutions to problems vary from person to person; all I’m saying is to stop crying and actually do something about it.
@ Red Pill Eagle, Yes exactly! Many guys are taking the route you are, focusing on themselves instead of making a girl their focus. And with things as they are, I can completely see why! Thanks for adding that!
Just doing what I can to add to a great site! We should write something together one day- a collaboration of sorts, especially since we seem to bear similar ideas.
Regarding Vixien, many of those dudes might be the commitment type…. they just might not be the type to commit to her
Given the inverse incentives for men, you will see fewer and fewer formal commitment type men. My guess is Vixen does a lot of self sabotaging but she is also probably caught up in some trends that are much bigger then her
True Ton it’s likely a combo of factors. But I do think Loves idea might explain some of it. Vixen actually could have commitment, and even has had recent offers, but for one reason or another she will decide to stay on her own. And complain. Loves idea was the first thing that explained it for me… But of course only Vixen really knows (and maybe even she doesn’t know!)
So this blog has been alive nearly 4 years now and the RPG has finally acknowledged that when women make bad choices … it may actually be their own fault. And not the fault of men. Amazing.
Reminds me of the #METOO movement. Wanna know how many of the women allowed men to take advantage of them … because they thought they it was cool or they were “wanted” or so that they could get something out of it … like career advancement ? Wanna know ? THE ANSWER IS … ALL OF THEM.
Is it gonna take 4 years for RPG to realize all of the women in the #METOO movement are lying about being raped or abused ? They knew what was going on. They participated in it … let it happened and in lots of cases … enabled it to happen. But its all man’s fault. Women ? INNOCENT CHILDREN !!!
Was Weinstein an asshole ? YEP. Did he rape a thousand different women because they wanted to be actresses ? NOPE. But women are never to blame … right ? The real question is this … why aren’t these women being arrested and forced to prove their allegations ??? And if they can’t provide any evidence of their claims … why aren’t they being arrested for fraud ? False allegations. Libel. Slander ? Etc. Why ? Is it gonna take 4 years for the public to realize that Weinstein didn’t rape anyone ? Is it gonna take the criminal justice system to jail him for 4 yrs before they realize … there is no evidence he did anything wrong ?
But … y’all have to realize. RPG had already taken the RP … long before she decided to create a blog. So maybe its really 5 yrs or 6. Or really more like 10 yrs since RPG had been married, had kids, and divorced BEFORE she discovered the RP. And since the RPG has a brain and acts rationally … and most women don;t … maybe its more like 20 years or maybe … its just … infinite !!! WOMEN ARE NEVER TO BLAME !!!
AND YUP … WE HAVE OUR ANSWER … WOMEN ARE NEVER TO BLAME FOR THEIR OWN ACTIONS. ITS ALWAYS A MANS FAULT. ALWAYS BLAME A MAN.
And now we know why Feminism never works. Women want to be treated as equals … but always have no responsibility for anything. ITS ALWAYS A MANS FAULT. BLAME THE MAN … NO EVIDENCE REQUIRED.
@ mega, I said from the start the #metop thing was bunk. Those starlets knew the trade. Of course there are cases of true rape and even sexual harassment, but I’d say those are likely more rare than women wanting to use those claims as some kind of cover for their own choices they don’t want to own.
Personally I think taking responsibility is way better than playing the victim, myself. At least when a gal owns it that means she can also change it. And isn’t that really empowerment?
RPG, …. agree and women should know this and of course they probably don’t. See, it used to be that women didn’t get to vote, right. Decades ago. And while that was going on … Laws were made, right ? Laws were created and enforced and women had no say on how that went down. And here is a question … DID RAPE AS A CRIME EXIST BACK THEN ??? YES, IT DID !!! Because its one of the worst crimes on the books and lots of time … if it involved children or young girls … the man never made it to trial … he was lynched. Laws against rape existed, they were harsh, and enforced even outside the courtroom … by society. By men.
The point is this … RAPE is a crime. Men know its a crime. Have always known its a crime. Didn’t take women to point that out to us. In fact, I’d argue that men are harder on it than women. But here is a fact that women won’t admit. A woman deciding 40 yrs later … AFTER her career didn’t turn out like she wanted … she decides sleeping with a man like Bill Cosby … IS NOW RAPE … IS ABSOLUTELY INSANE.
Now here is where it gets truly insane. If you’d ask 100 men … 40 yrs ago an aspiring actress met Bill Cosby while he was a TV star, and now she claims he drugged her and raped her. She has no evidence whatsoever. Again … MEN KNOW RAPE AND HATE IT WORSE THAN WOMEN. The question is this … how many … out of 100 men do you think would agree that that the women had been raped. My answer is probably 10% … just because so many people are stupid.
The point is this. The women who accused Bill Cosby of rape ought to be in jail. ALL OF THEM. And the fact that they aren’t … and the #metoo movement exists and that there is a witch hunt going on to destroy men … ought to scare the hell out of women. Wanna know where your next boyfriend is coming from? Your husband ? The father of your children ? He ain’t showing up … cause #metoo
Nothing to add…yes to all that.
Women are ‘victims’ of their own consent.
Loves comment is absolutely in play and probably for a goodly number of women
“She doesn’t want a “real” relationship because she doesn’t want to have to answer to anyone, meet any expectations, or be a real life partner.”
What RPG said above is the reason a lot of people stay single.
Female financial independence is a marriage killer.
I know someone like this. It’s not that she’s choosing cads though, but she keeps winding up with guys well below her SMV. She’s wasting precious years on men who I can see from a mile away isn’t worth her time. But she’s naive and gullible. Now she’s doing this thing where she’s going for older guys in hopes they will comply with her needs, and they aren’t any different than the younger ones. Just with more kids and ex wives.
@ ash that’s interesting, normally women don’t aim below their smv. Why do you think she does so?
Re self-sabotgage, a related post here:
http://stuartschneiderman.blogspot.com/2018/03/the-case-of-self-saboteur.html
We are, without fail, the common denominator in every relationship we have. If our friendships or romantic entanglements or professional relationships are consistently failing, it’s undoubtedly on us.
Ton already hit on this.
If you want commitment you have to be someone who can provide commitment. If you want a long term stable relationship to raise children in, you need to become a long term stable partner who supports the relationship. If you want Mr. Perfect, then you need to be Ms. Perfect.
What these women say with their mouths is not what they want. What they do tells you what they want. This Vixen does not want commitment; she wants fun and to live life to the fullest. Don’t ever listen to what people say, observe what they do.
As far as the concept of a broken picker; their picker is not really broken, they just cant face their own truth. Basically they believe their own words, but the truth is those words don’t really describe them. If their words were true than these women would make different choices and they would be different women and have different lives. The lies we tell ourselves are the hardest to overcome.
Another truth that many women now days struggle with is; the concept of having it all. Nobody has it all. Every choice is a trade off, so you are going to have to pick a course in life and understand that you will miss some other things.
Several people mention that these ladies need to take responsibility for their own choices and I agree. In several aspect of life I have the opportunity to help people and I have discovered that; it is nearly impossible to help someone until they are ready to start helping themselves. These women you observe do not understand this. These women think finding the right man will fix their lives, but they don’t realize that no man can fix their lives. They must help themselves, start fixing their own life, and then most likely the right man will be their.
Sorry, It was not Ton, but RPG original post that hit on the first topic I addressed.
‘ These women think finding the right man will fix their lives, but they don’t realize that no man can fix their lives. ‘
There is one man, the Lord.
“normally women don’t aim below their smv. Why do you think she does so? ”
Money, at least professional escorts do anyway. They need the easy mark.
Relevant,
https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2016/01/19/self-sabotage/
@ GoFigure, very well said! I absolutely agree!
@ GoFigure, Ton said it in a different way… but yes, these gals aren’t getting offers of commitment bc they themselves are not committed.
“What I mean by that is when a gal keeps picking the same kind of guys and keeps getting poor relationship results.”
That is just the type she is attracted to and will always be attracted to. It is what it is. Some people were never meant to be in relationships; at least not long term anyway. If they were honest, they would be professional whores.
We are, without fail, the common denominator in every relationship we have.
Divorced 6 times? Hell, maybe it’s you…
@gla I have actually had that same thought, all these gals doing booty calls and hookups and short term are basically whoring but for free! But perhaps if they took a fee instead that would take away the plausible deniability. And I suppose it’s legal wo a fee, not legal w one? But you are right true whores are at least honest about the deal.
@ headhunter how often do we hear anyone say, “yeah it was me….” In reality it’s always partly so in any case! But few admit even that much.
If those women who do hookups, booty calls, sex in a serial monogamy relationship (not married)…her ability to emotionally bond to her husband is poor. It’s been fried quite a bit with the roller coaster.
That’s a huge factor into why their marriages are less happy and higher divorce risk.
Ohhhhhh!
PICKER!
Never mind, redacted my first post.
Thought we were talking about a zer with ED issues asking for free pharmacare!
Carry on!!
Tl:dr really does not work around here.
The people you choose to have in your life on an ongoing basdis reflect the real you.
I don’t have to meet you to describe you, I just have to look at your circle.
There are only three times a person is truly honest:
When they are threatened with immediate danger
When they are severely inebriated
When they are amongst those they trust.
Gofigure….gospel. Well stated Sir.
” all these gals doing booty calls and hookups and short term are basically whoring but for free! ”
It’s never free, there is always a price in some shape or form. There is always an opportunity cost involved.
People like Vixen get into a bad groove of thought during their adolescence, and they spend the next 20 years trying to live out that dream. The real problem with that is that the adolescent mind is not mature enough to discern the error, and once implanted, the cognitive dissonance operates on the meta-conscious level. Only when a person reaches mid-life, are they able to become more cognizant of themselves, but by then, the water has gone under the bridge.
That’s why Jesus said that people who mess up children are the worst people of all.
“Well, I suppose that is a choice and if so maybe she should just get real about it, drop the victim act, and admit she’s choosing this. She’s choosing it by the types of guys she dates. She’s choosing this by the way she acts while she’s dating them. And she chooses this every time she sabotages relationships that start to go toward stability and commitment.”
I know I’ve seen women in the manosphere say that you shouldn’t expect your husband to be ready to lead well at first in a marriage – but that doesn’t exactly make sense when you think about how those same women also say to pick someone you can submit to LOL.
You need to pick a man that you can submit to, and that is comfortable in leading or can grow into leading because you ARE submitting to him well.
I know with us my husband wasn’t used to being a family leader (cue Snape’s voie… obviously…) but I kind of stepped back and just let him make all the important decisions that would determine things – along with growing with him and learning together – but he knew from the get go (engagement period even!) that he was going to be leading because he was going to be the ONLY leader.
I think when women marry men who they think are weak, beta-ish… they know what they’re marrying – they are purposefully avoiding the alpha male types for a reason (control – they want control over their husbands). But then I’ve seen them complain later on that their husbands don’t know how to lead and the man himself criticizes himself as a bad husband or bad father, etc.even after years of marriage. She picked a man like that… probably not due to him being able to lead well or because she thought she could submit to him… women like that (I think anyway) pick men that are weak like that because they want control in the marriage and at their deepest heart of hearts, don’t actually trust men to do right by them.
“That’s why Jesus said that people who mess up children are the worst people of all.”
LOL what are you talking about?? You’re no better than a child molester, remember? LOL….
In other news 😀 I got a really awesome email from Stingray – a manosphere female blogger who was incredible back in the day.
It’s about the perils and joys of raising girls into womanhood… and it’s gold! Going to see if she’s ok with me publishing it on my blog, and I’ll give y’all the link.
That’s why I always think when a wife badmouths her husand….’Well you picked him.’
The point is no matter what sex you are…accountability is a good trait.
@ Stephanie I think also you were fortunate in that you had been taught this way. Most girls are taught to let him lead is BAD and WRONG. So of course they end up fighting for the Captain’s seat and won’t let the husband lead and then of course it doesn’t yot work but they don’t know why.
I think it’s really complicated, Bloom. The ones I’m thinking of have come from traditional families, marry young and virginal, and yet still purposefully pick men they know they will have a hard time submitting to.
I’ve seen and known some like that who did admit that their fathers were overbearing and stifling to their moms. So I do think they pick a controllable beta male – unlike their patriarchal father, because while they want to get married young and virginal, ultimately they want that control their mother didn’t seem to have.
It’s covert rebellion. And they are the NICEST women in public like that plain woman you were talking about who suddenly stepped up her game. But I know from having them confide their marriage problems to me, that if you were a fly on their wall, they have a lot of problems swept under the rug.
I do think there is a general lack of knowledge about how to pick.
But a lot of it is instinctual as well. And people (men and women) usually pick what they think they want (not necessarily what they’ll realize they want later on).
Maybe I should add as well… I think women are better at knowing what they want than men, but maybe I’m wrong there.
All women, even the most feminist ones, actually crave a man who is a good leader and who won’t put up with her controlling attempts. They’re sexually attracted to that kind of man and they understand that (tingles)!
So when they purposefully pick a beta they can control – who is unlike their patriarchal father in every way possible, that’s on purpose.
Millennial Lisa
You can either have control or a man…but you can’t have both.
I think we all know what women desire…we also know what route women are choosing.
I was reading some old bachelor site that had 100 reasons not to be married…I wouldn’t doubt 75% of the reasons had some semblence of ‘a woman doesn’t control you’ in there.
https://happybachelors.wordpress.com/2009/11/
Yep, these days, ‘disciplining’ a child in the fear of the Lord seems equivalent to ‘molestation’. Good grief…
Are women purposely avoiding alpha types for a reason or is it that there just aren’t enough alpha types to go around? Not sure though how alpha is being defined for this discussion. By alpha, I am thinking very good looking, masculine, strong frame.
That’s why Jesus said that people who mess up children are the worst people of all
…….
Pretty sure the only unforgivable sin is blasphemes against the Holy Spirit so I would say those are the worse people
We are, without fail, the common denominator in every relationship we have.
Divorced 6 times? Hell, maybe it’s you…
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Legit….ish. to many good men doing shit in the smp for that to be 100% legit. Not that most folks cant do better but that sort of thinking does not allow for how poisoned the smp happens to be. Sooop often enough I think it’s a little column A…. little column B sort of thing.
‘If our friendships or romantic entanglements or professional relationships are consistently failing, it’s undoubtedly on us.’
Friends and pro relationships are probably the bigger indicator because it’s usually not so much based on feelings but actions and merit.
Rom entaglements all it takes for it to fail is she wakes up one morning and decides she’s not happy anymore.
‘I think women are better at knowing what they want than men, but maybe I’m wrong there.’
Yes.
When it takes a 451 bullet point checklist to know what you want in a man…you don’t know what you want.
I can make my list for what I’m looking for in a woman 5 traits or less.
Relevant
https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2018/02/28/sotu-what-men-want/
https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2018/02/06/sotu-what-modern-women-want/
Relevant
https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2018/02/06/sotu-what-modern-women-want/
Also relevant
https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2018/02/28/sotu-what-men-want/
More relevancy this is
https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2018/01/18/must-all-teen-girls-become-sluts/
Exactly Earl so women who try to control men who they want (leaders) end up alone….
Y’all I actually painted tonight! I haven’t painted on a canvas for at least 10 years!!!!!
http://girlwithadragonflytattoo.com/2018/03/04/labor-of-love-painting/
goFigure –
Another truth that many women now days struggle with is; the concept of having it all. Nobody has it all. Every choice is a trade off, so you are going to have to pick a course in life and understand that you will miss some other things.
yes.
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George Liquor American –
” all these gals doing booty calls and hookups and short term are basically whoring but for free! ”
It’s never free, there is always a price in some shape or form. There is always an opportunity cost involved.
yes.
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Stephanie –
All women, even the most feminist ones, actually crave a man who is a good leader and who won’t put up with her controlling attempts. They’re sexually attracted to that kind of man and they understand that (tingles)!
yes.
I can make my list for what I’m looking for in a woman 5 traits or less.
………………
Def,
Mute
Banging body
No gag reflex
Owns a Harely Davidson dealership
And runs the best still in three states
I’m really late.
But “the woman’s broken” is really what’s going on. In every case where a woman can’t get “good men” or keeps picking bad men, it’s because SHE is broken.
A new post at Spawny’s there is
https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2018/03/12/a-special-kind-of-crazy/
I think in many ways one could argue that women these days are just as damaged and misled as men are. It’s why I spend a lot of time pointing women toward the RedPillWomen subreddit. Many of them could use a little guidance.