“Male Privilege is having lived one of the most dangerous and tiring existences in history and still being told that men have always had it easy.”
The quote above from an anon Internet source got me thinking… do women really want true “male privilege?”
The privilege to work long hours doing dangerous tasks requiring hard physical labor in all sorts of weather? Like my friend’s husband who is an electrical lineman, climbing poles to repair broken lines even in the middle of a storm with driving rain and 100 mph winds so the heaters and fridges and tv’s still work?
Or the privilege to be sent to war, drafted if need be? Like so many who fought and were either permanently physically or mentally disabled or killed in wars past and present, personally paying to protect the safety and liberty of all?
The privilege of being expected to throw oneself in harms way selflessly and sacrificially in the face of any and all natural disaster, strife, intruders, danger or threat of bodily harm?
The privilege of never being able to show pain, or weakness, or illness? Of having to remain stoic on the outside regardless of injury, hurt, fear, angst, depression, doubt, or other internal turmoil? Of knowing not doing so will more likely be met with repulsion or ridicule than support?
I could go on, but hopefully the point is made. Men don’t have it easier, they have it different. Any privilege they have comes at an equal or greater price. Perhaps there are perks to being male, but there are also heavy responsibilities. I doubt most women would truly make the trade.
I’d wager many women upset about male privilege and inequality only want what they see as the upside of being male, not the downside. But it doesn’t really work like that, even for the most privileged men, now does it?
What do you think? Please share in the comments!
“I could go on, but hopefully the point is made. Men don’t have it easier, they have it different.”
I remember when the Japansese nuclear power plant had the meltdown (Fukuskima). They had to find around 100 people or so to go into the plant and clean up the nuclear waste. In short, 100 people willing to die of cancer in 5 years. When I saw that story, I instantly knew that all 100 of the people entering the facility were men.
In short, when it comes time to do a dangerous/suicidal job, men are the disposable heroes of society.
@ Major Styles I would bet money you are correct. “Somebody” has to take the risk when the world needs saving, dangerous deeds need done, or hard stuff must happen and that “somebody” has in nearly every case been men. Kinda makes the expectation that it’s a given women will get to stay home in a warm, safe house seem like “female privilege,” doesn’t it?
Wow… this is was a great read. “The privilege of never being able to show pain, or weakness, or illness? Of having to remain stoic on the outside regardless of injury, hurt, fear, angst, depression, doubt, or other internal turmoil? Of knowing not doing so will more likely be met with repulsion or ridicule than support?”
I have a blog I wrote that talks about this very ideal. “Male emotions.” How women are openly accepted to show their emotions (for the most part) and men have to repress their emotions.
There is a documentary out about male emotions. It’s called “the Mask you live in.” Please watch it. Here is the link to the trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc45-ptHMxo
No woman I know is about that life. It starts really young and manifest when we become men (and sometimes earlier). Male privilege doesn’t truly exist (especially in minority communities in the US… because both men and women have advantages at times (different races of men have more privilege than others.
Also, what I’ve found is that some women want to keep their privileges, and also want all the male privileges that are convenient and benefit them. But like you said, “’I’d wager many women upset about male privilege and inequality only want what they see as the upside of being male, not the downside. “
@major styles – What’s the rule when faced with death? “Women and children only” I don’t know one woman who would want the privilege of death, but would hop on one of those lifeboats without hesitation.
Yes RPGN…it’s a pretty sweet deal. In the United States, prior to the Jewish Feminism of the 1970s, women understood and respected these unique differences. But they were tricked by Steinem, Abzug, Dworkin, etc.
Perhaps a revival shall occur…I do hope. Our women deserve better than dying in a cubicle at State Farm insurance at the age of 65 without a family.
Thanks for the suggestion @Jay Thomas! I will watch it.
And agreed, most women would not trade a man for her seat on the lifeboat equality or not! And yet, the idea that “women and children go first” is also based on a social contract, one that modern women have mostly abandoned. In return I hear more and more men say, “Why should I keep my side of it either?” This is the side women do not consider — that without the upside to go along with the downside , men may truly take them at their word and just opt out. “Fix your own power in the storm, lady. Not my problem!” And actually men already ARE opting out, which women reply to with, “Man up” or some sort of admonishment. What women don’t seem to ask is, “Why would he man up if there is no upside to balance the downside?” Men can be perfectly happy with very little, a simple life on his own with fishing, a truck, the game, some beer, or whatever. Maybe the occasional date here and there. Women, not so much. IN a safe and modern society it can be easy for women to think they don’t “need” men, but take away the police and the garbage service and electricity, and etc. and it would become really clear really quick then women NEED men a lot more than men NEED women! If she’s not making things better and easier and more enjoyable, why bother?
@ Major Sytles so true. I myself did not really “get” what feminism was about or how it started or what the driving beliefs were myself until taking women’s studies in college (required for all students to graduate, at the time.) Wow — there was a lot more to it than I ever knew, and I would reckon most women do. They just hear, “”Women power! Equal rights!” and think, “Of course! Who wouldn’t want that?” but there’s a much more sinister side, as well. I wrote a post about the moment I realized that… https://notesfromaredpillgirl.com/2014/04/29/all-sex-is-rape/
@ Major Styles I once also read an essay by a woman of means, who was pissed because she had to change her own sheets for the first time in her life (!!!), and it also revealed, I think unintentionally, how feminism also rose out of upper class women needing women to work for them more hours than the women’s “pesky” husbands would support. So these women encouraged women who worked for them to, “break free from that oppression, be a strong independent woman!” Of course so these upper class women could have them care for their kids and house 12+ hours a day just to make ends meet, while the single-mom worker’s own kids were in group daycare. Another eye opening “ah ha!” moment. I wish I had a link to that….
It’s not just women telling men to man up, it’s other men who are fathers of daughters telling men to “man up and marry muh snowflake daughter” after she wasted her best fertile years in college and career. Plus said fathers of “muh snowflake daughters” would probably make for really shitty in-laws too. Yeah, no thanks.
and this topic is related to OP;
different races of men have more privilege than others.
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Ahhhh the SJW bullshit infiltration has begun. Upside is now I know never to read that chicks posts again.
Now Ton… I had a feeling you were going to cue in on that. As someone who happened to be born white and female I of course only know my own experience. Long ago I decided if I believed, for example, being female was a negative, it would become more so of one than if I did not. In some ways it helps me (affirmative action, a “girl” pass, etc.) in other ways it likely hurts (people assume I am not capable of this or that, or I will be the only female of my profession in the room most of the time, which can itself be both good and bad.) In a similar way, the white thing is both good and bad, depending on the situation. Just like doors don’t magically swing open for men, neither do they bc someone is white. There’s still being born into a wealthy family vs. not, connections vs.not, area they live, etc. It may be easier for an asian or hispanic or black woman of the same income level I was born into (working class) to get into a top college today than it would be for me, for example. Historically, no. But in my lifetime? Yes. And maybe easier for the same woman than for a white male from the same class, for example. And maybe easier for a non-white man than a white one. In fact very likely so today. The white male, especially hetero, is the only person it is actually legal to discriminate against. As in the ad can actually say NO STRAIGHT WHITE MEN. Can you imagine an ad saying NO WHITE WOMEN? No way! Lawsuit time! And I know many men in real life impacted by that, especially men 50+. Personally I like things to be on merit — if I am not up to the job I don’t want it just to fill a “girl” quota. I want it bc I can do it and do it better than the next person. We all have strengths and weaknesses, cards we were born with and can play or not. I really believe a lot of it comes down to moxie (or whatever one would call the guy equivalent) in the end. I have managed teams of people who were all better educated and went to better schools than I did, but they were soft and I was not. Sometimes ironically what seems on the surface to be a disadvantage can make a person stronger and more determined. I truly believe life is mostly what each individual makes it, and most of the limits we face are those we put upon ourselves. Even those born into immense wealth and privilege, the kind we can not even imagine nor will ever see in any accurate way, have their own struggles and challenges. I have learned this — nobody gets it all, everything is a ying and a yang. You gotta take what you have and play your hand for all its worth. Nobody got to or gets to choose their cards, only how to play them. Like you did, growing up poor in the Appalachians w your own childhood challenges and going on to build a career out of sheer determination and grit where what, 1 in 1000 make the cut? Maybe less? Maybe far less? So I get what you are saying, but please let’s not get personal ok? 🙂 We all have perspectives to share and we all have things to learn from someone who has walked in shoes other than our own. 🙂 I say this btw w all respect, I hope you and I know each other well enough (virtually anyway!) to know that by now, I hope!
And so long as we are talking privilege, well maybe good to put the idea of all types of privilege on the table for discussion? But everyone again, please lets keep the discussion GENERAL and not make things PERSONAL. Thank you! 😀
Copperfox has a new post related to this topic of privilege btw: https://www.illiberal-liberal.com/2018/05/lies-of-omission-asians-are-the-new-elites/
Good post…and sadly true.
The college campus has become Ground Zero for this indoctrination. Throughout human history, most women dreamed of having a husband they could love and healthy children to raise; they also worked, despite what we’ve been taught to believe. See Dreiser’s Sister Carrie for an example of just how hard the women worked prior to the Holocaust (aka, the 1950s).
But today’s Western woman is told that her greatest accomplishments will be two abortions, an arm-sleeved tattoo and lesbian experimentation at the Sorority house. If she dissents, she doesn’t get an A from her teacher (usually a Cultural Marxist security guard).
@major styles, I was engaged at the time and dared counter the teacher to say my fiancée was not an abuser. She said I was lying, ALL men were abusers! I was shocked! This was early 90s, I can only imagine now…
‘I’d wager many women upset about male privilege and inequality only want what they see as the upside of being male, not the downside.’
Bingo.
It’s mostly envy with them because they don’t like the fact they are women. Sure we don’t have things like menstrual cycles or giving birth to children…but building things, taking care of things, doing dangerous tasks and being responsible have their own set of stresses and difficulties.
When it comes down to it…I don’t think either sex has it easier so to speak than the other. We each have our own specific difficulties from the fall.
True Earl, each has their own easier and not easier. When the two work together I think it’s a nice whole. A balance. One. 🙂
And earl women having equal right won’t change menstrual cycles or being the one who carries and bears the young. That’s biology. On the other hand, these are unique strengths too!well the hormonal cycles, frankly it’s annoying to have your emotions shift from day to day not to mention the rest but for me, being pregnant was amazing. I loved it! I was lucky and felt great — I glowed and actually never felt more beautiful. Somehow it kicked my metabolism on and I could eat like a teen boy and hardly gain the 25 pounds they wanted. Right back to my prior weight after. Actually could still eat like a teen boy for about two years after then my metabolism went back to normal. Even the delivery part was fascinating, if not exactly fun. Closest thing to being “a creator” I can imagine. I was very lucky, I know not all women have such an easy time. Too bad I started late, I was apparently perfectly suited! Lol.
I actually felt sorry for men they could never experience that, to feel s child grow and move inside you, just magical I thought. Maybe a guy could not imagine but really it was very, very cool!
Even now as I have watched my girls grow and change, it still amazes me. Best thing I have ever done!
I wish I had not been led to believe it was to be avoided as long as possible, dreaded, would be awful, having kids would ruin my body and my life. All total bs!
I am on the no one really has it easy catagoery myself.
Even now when I am part of the evil 1%. I don’t have money issues, pretty much for the rest of my life but I have a fuck ton of business concerns and a lot of familes relying on me. Which granted is better then worrying about staying indoors and fed but it aint easy street either
‘ Maybe a guy could not imagine but really it was very, very cool! ‘
I could never imagine what that whole thing is about because you know God did created two sexes and this is the one I got. But I can appreciate it. That’s the one thing a man can’t do.
Oh well,now that you are officially evil I don’t think we can be friends. Lol. Kidding. Good for you! But yes, a different kind of privilege, a different kind of burden.
I still don’t feel evil enough but I am working on it.
And Ton, on my recent vacation I am pretty sure if you had a past life, I saw the remains. A medieval walled village, surrounded by a double moat. In the walls, tall narrow skits where archers would be reigning down arrows upon any daring to cross the moats. The only way in were four tall gates with huge thick doors. From above, boiling water or worse would be poured down upon those at the door. Perched on a most strategic spot on a mighty river, perfect for shaking down all who wanted to pass. I could practically imagine you, ruling it all, in your element! Ton, ruler of an ancient realm! Larger than life, loving it. I truly did have that very thought!
But I am sure what you do now is cool, too.
Actually people still live in the village. You could still conquer it yet! Lol.
Camp Ton Medieval!
Exactly Earl, the female superpower!
That sounds a hell of a lot more fun then what I am doing now and I am sure Ton2.0 would make a decent war lord when I go home
Here’s some privillage for you
Killed 7 sailors and no jail time
https://www.vdare.com/posts/f381971d-414d-408a-972a-4a04a32f060f
Lol Ton, should I send the coordinates then? 😉
not once in my life have i ever wanted to be a man or to be like a man. i’ve always liked being a girl 🙂
Same here Ame, I have never felt like I wanted to be or was anything but a female. Never questioned it even. Of course that wasn’t gen X anyway but… I may be on the tomboy side of things perhaps, but have always ok w being XX. Happy to be! Like anything it’s as much a plus as a minus, IMHO.
I still don’t feel evil enough but I am working on it.
my Ton laugh for the day! 🙂
surely, Ton, you’re not basing your goals on your feelings?! 😉 🙂 🙂
grrrrrrr, Ton. that does no one any favors, least of all women. grrrrrrrr.
This is not the exact walled city I saw but similar, in fact this one seems even better! https://about-france.com/cities/carcassonne.htm
In fact looks like there are so many walled cities we could each of us posting here have a dozen and there would be oodles more to spare! Who knew walled cities were such a “thing?” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_with_defensive_walls
With everyone invading everyone else all the time, I wonder how they ever managed to get them built before being overrun by the next warlord?
These walled cities btw are living proof the EU thing may be overly naive. If history indeed repeats itself… Just saying…
RPG,
You left one out. In addition to straight, white, and male, there is also Christian.
From what I have gleaned, campus SJWs are getting pretty vocal. Discrimination on that order would not have be tolerated in the bad old days.
True Fuzzie, the ad may not say so (yet) but it’s kinda implied “not traditional.”
I have to credit Sunshine Thiry for that one.I miss her too. She moved to a rural area and doesn’t have internet.
One of the reasons things work with The Girls so well is they both enjoy being a woman as much as I Enjoy being a man
Lol Ton, should I send the coordinates then? 😉
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Naw I probably can’t afford the pay cut
“surely, Ton, you’re not basing your goals on your feelings?! 😉 🙂 🙂”
LOL +1
I’m not surprised.
I remember back in the 90s when many of these ideas were just taking root in the college system. Now we see the full manifestation of this unholy tree.
Good topic RPG. I’m just gonna leave this link here, still one of my most highly read posts on the Illiberal Liberal even a couple years after I wrote it:
http://www.illiberal-liberal.com/2016/04/virtue-signaling-and-the-male-apex-fallacy/
‘I remember back in the 90s when many of these ideas were just taking root in the college system. Now we see the full manifestation of this unholy tree.’
Reading a book on feminism and how it infiltrated the various Christian churches and academia in the late 70s and 80s it’s no surprise they’d consider masculinity evil.
It goes in the face of their created pagan goddess religion where things like actual sin doesn’t exist (goddess can’t sin after all), pride is considered a virtue, sex roles are considered oppressive and lesbian undertones are what society should be reconstructed like. It’s a book that verifies just because a woman claims she’s Christian doesn’t mean she’s doesn’t also subscribe to feminism because a lot of them tried to rationalize both ethoses into their lives (with feminism eventually taking over).
So in order for a woman (and to be quite frank men too) to be fully ‘red pill’ so to speak…she must embace Christianity completely and reject feminism completely. They are diametrically opposed to each other.
Thank you for that book reference Earl! I’m going to get it for our family… sounds really good.
Yeah it’s one of those rabbit hole books. Does a good job of displaying just how evil feminism truly is.
One of the reasons things work with The Girls so well is they both enjoy being a woman as much as I Enjoy being a man
i’ll try not to be too … mushy or dramatic … but when you write stuff like this, it’s kinda healing for me. my first husband would get so extremely angry with me for not being like him, for not getting things and doing things like he did – i mean, incensed, out-of-control, ‘I hate you, Ame,’ angry with me. and he would do it in such a way that sometimes, occasionally, i was okay the way i was. so it was often damned if i do and damned if i don’t. when he’d push me over the edge i’d smart off at him (okay, not holding myself up as a model here) and say, “If you wanted to be married to someone like that, you should have married a man!” that, ummm, didn’t really go over very well 😉 .
anyway … it’s nice learning out here that acting like a woman because i am a woman is not only okay, but it’s good. i love being a girl. i can be tough when i need to be, but i don’t really care for it all the time. it gets tiring. i just wanna be the girl 🙂 … thankfully this guy i’m married to now wants nothing more or less than what i am.
What? So I am not allowed to feel tbings?!?! Bitches 😉
Acting like a woman is good right and just darling
so … here’s a true story for you.
a friend of my Oldest’s – she and her friend are both 20 years old, and they became friends in middle school. Friend’s dad became really bad and started doing bad things. mom and dad began sleeping in separate bedrooms in same house and there were times mom locked herself and kids in her room to protect them from dad.
mom stayed in the marriage and in that room.
my daughter had lunch with friend today … and friend said that her dad has apologized to mom, and they are beginning to work on their marriage.
THIS.
and i cried. huge tears. because i soooooooo want that to be me, to be us. i hate divorce. and i keep wondering … what if i knew better? what if i knew how to respect him better? how to honor him better? how to submit to him better? what if i told him no when he tried to divorce me instead of going along with it? what if i stayed anyway.
but all i can do now is grieve, once again, what my girls have lost … and i cannot even begin to add up all they have lost b/c it just snowballs every.single.freakin.year. it.never.freakin.ends. never.freakin.ends. the pain … it never ends.
and my daughter’s friend gets to have both her parents, together … never divorced. and my daughters have to live the rest of their lives with the continuous hell of divorce.
and my daughter continues to tell me about their conversation … about the things she’s learned from me over the last couple years that give her a different perspective of what was going on when she was little … b/c she knew ‘things’ were going on, but kids don’t know ‘what’ it all is or all means. and she said to me, “I didn’t know how much you protected us from, Mom, and knowing just proves how awesome a Mom you are. I mean, you were always awesome, but knowing all you did for us makes you even more awesome and more the best Mom ever.”
and i can’t.stop.crying. because i wonder if i didn’t mess up more than i protected by letting it end. and then i have to, at some point, get to where i forgive my younger self for not knowing what i do now … but also i’m not in that same place where i lived in so much fear all the time, either. idk. i get crazy lost in my head in all this. i just want what’s right and best, but i can’t always control all of that.
sometimes … life is beautiful. and sometimes it sucks.
You can only do what you can do darling. Don’t go to taking responsibility for shit that ain’t on your shoulders. It’s unbecoming
‘and friend said that her dad has apologized to mom, and they are beginning to work on their marriage.’
I’d be curious what actions the wife did to create a conversion of heart.
idk, Earl … i know she had signed a lease on an apartment after both their kids graduated from high school.
Earl,
It is not only present day Christianity, but most polytheist societies. I think it is somewhere in the Old Testament where people are cautioned to stay out groves, the domain of goddess worshipers. I noticed it myself along time before I found this corner of the internet. As a society, we have cast down Apollo in favor Aphrodite. By the way, the Greeks had a high opinion of Apollo and a very low one of Aphrodite.
‘I think it is somewhere in the Old Testament where people are cautioned to stay out groves, the domain of goddess worshipers.’
Yes…in the book it outlines how they incorporate trees into their goddess pagan worship. Nothing new under the sun.
Grove
Heb. ‘asherah, properly a wooden image, or a pillar representing Ashtoreth, a sensual Canaanitish goddess, probably usually set up in a grove ( 2 Kings 21:7 ; 23:4 ). In the Revised Version the word “Asherah” (q.v.) is introduced as a proper noun, the name of the wooden symbol of a goddess, with the plurals Asherim ( Exodus 34:13 ) and Asheroth ( Judges 3:13 ).
The LXX. have rendered asherah in 2 Chronicles 15:16 by “Astarte.” The Vulgate has done this also in Judges 3:7 .
‘ Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles.’ Exodus 34:13
i’m trying, Ton. i hear your words in my head but somehow they don’t always get through. thanks for continuing to drill it into me! i’m not a lost cause, i promise! 🙂
lots of emotional stuff today (good stuff, but emotional) so i’m sure that’s contributing. i just wish i could give my girls more … and remove the pain. but i have to remember that it’s a part of who they are, and God has, is, and will continue to redeem it all.
and sometimes i really need to read less of what the men say out here b/c it doesn’t apply to me – not saying NAWALT b/c AWALT … just, it’s not blanket stuff. those who know the details, including my Husband, tell me i did the best i could.
i tend to take things too personally sometimes (i know – such a shock! i know that just blew you away!!!).
his stuff was his. even though he blamed me for it till the day he died, it was still his. i’ve worked hard to get those lies out of my head; bad me for letting them back in.
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and for those who think divorce is the answer, the gateway to freedom and life and real living … it never is. it might be inevitable, but it’s not the answer – especially for women.
AND … just b/c you, personally, might not be responsible for the divorce does not mean you and your children are not excused from the consequences. divorce is an equal-opportunity destroyer.
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and so, i have to remind myself that pain and suffering does not necessarily equal bad.
1 Peter 3:13 Now, who will want to harm you if you are eager to do good? 14 But even if you suffer for doing what is right, God will reward you for it. So don’t worry or be afraid of their threats. 15 Instead, you must worship Christ as Lord of your life. And if someone asks about your hope as a believer, always be ready to explain it. 16 But do this in a gentle and respectful way.[c] Keep your conscience clear. Then if people speak against you, they will be ashamed when they see what a good life you live because you belong to Christ. 17 Remember, it is better to suffer for doing good, if that is what God wants, than to suffer for doing wrong! 18 Christ suffered[d] for our sins once for all time. He never sinned, but he died for sinners to bring you safely home to God. He suffered physical death, but he was raised to life in the Spirit.
thanks, Ton.
’m trying, Ton. i hear your words in my head but somehow they don’t always get through. thanks for continuing to drill it into me! i’m not a lost cause, i promise! 🙂
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Drilling it into you is your old man’s job.
and for those who think divorce is the answer, the gateway to freedom and life and real living … it never is
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I call bullshit
he does. i need to listen better and believe him when he’s not around when my crazy emotions start going haywire 🙂
i knew you’d disagree.
for women … i think it’s extremely rare that divorce is the answer. should have worded that differently.
@ame I have times when I wonder “what if?” too. I never wanted to be divorced either so I get it. Such thoughts are a form of self torture. I mean, it doesn’t sound to me like you had a whole lot of choice. I am happy things worked out for your daughters friend’s parents, but don’t let it haunt you. If your ex had a true personality disorder (which it sounds like from your descriptions) there may not have been anything you could do. Worse, such a person projects all the blame and fault on you when that’s all gaslighting bs. So the head games continue to haunt and can make processing it all so much more confusing. Remember to tell yourself, “I love you Ame, imperfections and all.” You did the best you could at the time. I know you did all you could!
thank you, Bloom. you nailed it. 🙂
That bit about groves has me wondering about Druids. We will never know. Sertorius killed them all on Anglesea.
Point is what we call feminism now…which is at its root is pagan goddess worship, witchcraft, or even the occult…has already been tried in the past and failed. The only thing that sustains is faith in the Lord.
Also of note…there’s that famous grove in California I’ve read about. If what I read about is true…lots of sex stuff, devil worship, and all sorts of inhumane acts go on there. You want a literal devil’s playground…that’s pretty close to ‘it’.
Yeah never a good idea to do this, ladies and gentlemen…provoking God to anger and putting idols in His house never ends well.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Kings+21&version=NASB
‘He made his son pass through the fire, practiced witchcraft and used divination, and dealt with mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the sight of the Lord provoking Him to anger. Then he set the carved image of Asherah that he had made, in the house of which the Lord said to David and to his son Solomon, “In this house and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen from all the tribes of Israel, I will put My name forever.’
There are programs on Youtube that address the question of “Did God have a wife?”They seen to revolve around the presumption that montheistic God was culturally derived from the Canaanite pantheon. El Shaddai did have a wife, Ashteroth and a son Ba’al, the god of weather. Feminists love promoting this claptrap.
I love this post. Why is it so rare to hear a woman speak like this, about how much our menfolk do!! What sacrifices, hard work and dignity look like. You just prompted me to text and thank our lovely office maintenance man who left yesterday in less than fortunate circumstances. Thank you as always for being that rare voice.