I bumped into my former neighbor Vixen this weekend and she got me caught up on her love life latest. Not much has changed is the short story.
As she described things, how being torn between the nice guy who is there for her and the bad boy who isn’t, I realized she is a living example of the AF/bb model.
So I explained the theory to her, that some say for most of the month women seek comfort, security, and good guy qualities. But during the ovulation window they might go for the bad boy type. And how women seem to want both, steady Eddie and Harley McBaddy.
Her eyes lit up. “Exactly!” She said. “Why can’t that be ok? Why can’t we all just be honest about it?”
It was a question I couldn’t answer, not being a guy myself, but based on what I have observed it never seems to work out that way.
Perhaps in years past women like Vixen still would have sought this dual mating strategy, but rather than try to openly live it out as women do today, they would have kept things far more covert.
And maybe there in lies the rub — in pushing for the ability to openly pursue a dual mating strategy women have in turn dismantled its underpinnings. Not that an AF/bb strategy was ever very stable but it seems it was far more so under wraps than out in the open.
And it makes sense. Why would the guys go along?
Granted, I am not saying every woman runs around three days a month. Then or now. Hardly. But even those who don’t may feel temptation stronger at certain times of the month than others, especially in her reproductive age years, and if so it’s likely this dynamic at play.
Women openly pursuing this strategy today seem to end up baby mommas. And that likely is the natural outcome.
In any case I found Vixen’s question interesting. The answers I think, are a whole lot more complex.
What do you think? Please share in the comments.
@horseman yes it was. And I knew you all would break it down in the comments, how absurd this all too common thinking among gals like Vixen is…
Ok we will agree…
If you agree that women are banned from hair colour, liposuction and makeup
And the second you get the first wrinkle or sag NO GUY WILL ever date, fuck, help or talk to you ever again….
Just being honest…wanna play that card…play it.
And millions of 1990-2010 empowered go gurls are finding out how well playing the blatant hypergamy, slutting around card is working out for them post 39.
Vixen is a prime example.
Lol Ton at ‘Can’t see the down side to any of that’. I’m sure you have been to Afghanistan or similar countries. That type of oppression isn’t the answer either.
I DARE Vixen to go out on a public date…with either a new beta bucks or alpha fucks guy from the site without makeup, hair colour, polished nails in jeans, a white t shirt and flats….
Get by on her oh so charming personality…
Thats being honest.
Horseman,
Her’s my trash can. Please wash it out when you are done.
They defend their homeland from all invaders
They dont get replaced by frogein people
They duplicate themselves, their culture and their religion
At this rate them goat raping morons will out last the West.
RPG,
This thread has given me a little insight on why online dating is such a bust for men. There must be a lot of Vixen’s out there. They are doing all the decent men a favor by being stuck up snotty biotchas.
@love maybe someone w a better grip on history than me could answer this, but I have long wondered if all that was in reaction to a prior ear where women were out of control? Maybe the Roman years?
George way upthread is right
Don’t put a fuck into her, she is done.
She played the card, had a long run, now the looks have faded and the soul is way to damaged to accept a real commitment.
Be a mom, work, volunteer, find a meaning in life.
I give her maybe one more ltr that she blows up within three years and then she will spend the second HALF of her life utterly alone.
Yes half…imagine…forty more years undateable
Imagine her at fifty five when her kids are gone and she hasn’t had a relationship in ten years or a date in five. Facing twenty plus more years of UTTER ALONENESS!!
While the Mrs spends two hours every morning reading the paper and drinking coffee with me on the sunporch at fifty five.
Thanks fuzz
Clearly from a historical perspective “oppressing” women is the smart move. Folks in the West have never been as horrific to women as the east, africa etc etc but we as a people thrive when women are “oppressed”
@fuzzie: “This thread has given me a little insight on why online dating is such a bust for men. There must be a lot of Vixen’s out there. They are doing all the decent men a favor by being stuck up snotty biotchas.”
Fuzzie you are correct but not for the reasons you think. Bloom hit on it earlier … all women lie to themselves. Every month. Lie to themselves about their partners, their BB husbands, the fathers of their children. In olden times 1 out of 5 women … fucked another man behind her husbands back and got preggie. They seek out the bad boyz. Lie to their husbands, their children, their parents, their friends. LIE and LIE some more and don’t really understand why. Gets to the point that lying is normal.
So, when single, they get on dating sites and do what women do … lie and lie some more; they don’t even feel bad about it, don’t even think its wrong. Actually, they think its weird or something is wrong when men actually tell the truth. For them, lying is normal. Lying, deceptive photos. Lying, bleached blonde hair. Shaving body hair. False eyelashes. Fake fingernails, fake toenails. Fake clothes. Fake smells. Fake, fake, fake.
The reason why online dating doesn’t work is because most men are honest and are looking for a partner. And most women are entitled and lie their asses off and don’t even think it’s wrong.
Horseman, you’re welcome. Been there a few times myself.
RPG,
There has never been anything like this in recorded history. While women in the Roman Empire had a lot of license, prostitutes were available for the price of a loaf of bread. What we have here is minimal constraints on women and maximal constraints on men.
About eight thousand years ago, there were seventeen reproducing women for every reproducing man. It is not known how that came to be or how it was unwound. Forty thousand years ago, there was a bottleneck. Humanity was down to twelve reproducing couples. Finally, all people from races north of the Sahara are descended from one woman. A lot of things happened in the past that the ancients may have been aware of that has not been passed down to us.
In writing my first paragraph, it is plain that unwinding this mess is not going to be pretty.
Mega,
It’s not very efficient, is it? Both are going away empty handed. Still, the boys are better off for having been taken for a ride. Someone should tell the boys.
By the way, Russian women will not tolerate lies, I have been told. If they catch in a small one early on, they will dump in a heartbeat. Because of that, I have been told to be careful what questions I ask.
@horseman, she’s already finding that her pics and the way they see her in person aren’t matching up. I noticed she only posed the most flattering pics, no full body shots, and she also had pics of her and her kids (ak!) which I told her to TAKE DOWN RIGHT AWAY. She only sees the guy profiles and many single dads post kid pics, but I don;t think for a woman that is a good idea AT ALL.
@ horseman safety and all… kid pics not a good idea.
She had her youngest at 40, so she will be over 55, not that it matters, I get the point! Yeah barfly is looking like the likely outcome then… vs. home and comfy.
‘The story is about a religious revolution in the US which puts women back in domestic roles. They are forbidden to work, have casual sex, use birth control, or be independent. They must depend fully on men and are not allowed to educate themselves.’
Sounds good to me. And the moral of the story is women would be much happier in that setup than the feminist chaos they are living in now.
Heck if men oppressed women enough to take out the casual sex-birth control set up it would improve their status by a lot.
‘By the way, Russian women will not tolerate lies, I have been told. ‘
Just because they don’t tolerate lies being told to them doesn’t mean they won’t lie to you.
I think if there ever would be a religious revolt, it would be Catholics leading it IMHO. Evangelical Protestants of every stripe are all cucked out “turn the other cheek” types.
Are you fucking high? catholic votes gave weight to all tbis bullshit and catholic nations went way left way sooner then Protestant nations
Catholics have their own problems…however it seems the Christian churches do have a common modern enemy…feminism. That’s where a lot of the cucking is coming from.
Ton, their culture was destroyed by fanatical religious zealots. Their land is near the cradle of civilization. Great poets and scholars came from that region. These goat f**king morons are no representation of what used to be.
Perhaps Vixen has reached that stage in every delusional woman’s life that she knows she’s basically undesirable now to any real man so she had to make up a man that doesn’t exist as her soulmate.
their culture was destroyed by fanatical religious zealots
Referring to western civilization and feminists you are?
LOL if you say so Love. Mostly they inherited the nice sound parts from the civilized pussies they killed 700 years after Christ
Vixen would be the kind of woman that if in a ltr she would pull this crap.
And most men would change the last line to “an apartment” instead of “bread”
Need I remind you Ton, that it was Catholicism that drove the Moors out of Europe, Catholicism that colonized and conquered the new world which made it possible for us to be where we are now? Ain’t nothin’ ever a fucking Prot ever did comes close to that. Not now or ever.
‘And most men would change the last line to “an apartment” instead of “bread”’
One way to ease her anxiety is to make her neurosis true.
Yeah I am dumping you…good luck.
Yeah but that ain’t the catholics of today or even the last 100 years. The catholic of today supports the moslem invasion and this here chunk of the new world and a goodly portion of the rest of the world was conquered by the Protestant English
‘ The catholic of today supports the moslem invasion’
So does the Protestant. Sweden is example #1 and the UK #2…as well as many other Prot countries in Europe.
This dumb infighting and finger pointing since the Reformation doesn’t stop the invasion of either the Muslims or feminists. Need to take a page out of Poland and Hungary’s book and give the middle finger to the globalists forcing this immigration nonsense.
Personally I don’t think any main stream Christian sect will turn things around.
My money is on the White rift raft. Only group of Whites with any kind of fight left in them in the usa
I think that Poland and Hungary are Catholic. For all the things Ton is going run his Ku Klux Klan ship up on the rocks for, I never thought it would be hate for Catholics.
DEUS VEULT!
Poland is overwhelming Catholic.
What the church needs to do is rid itself of the feminists, the gays, and the liberation theology and get back to the original purpose…spreading the Gospel.
Pretty sure Hungary is overwhelmingly catholic as well but it doesn’t change the tactical reality on the ground, the history of catholics here etc etc and neither are Westren nations. Great nations but not Western
I tried to find the video that advised men not to lie to Russian women. It is not there anymore. It could be that things have relaxed in the meanwhile. The point was, things like height and income that is normally fudged by men in the US, they won’t stand for. It could be that they have had to deal with too many home grown Russian mafia wannabes. By the same token, the video advised men to be careful about what they asked because she would be bound to answer in truth. For them, this is about finding a husband.
Also Fuzzie the Klan ‘s various predictions were remarkably accurate. Use the name as some kind of insult is an epic fail. Poland and Huragry was a much better attempt
DEUS VEULT!
@fuzzie, remember a Walt. Many Men I know who married Russian women are simply a financial means to an end. Their wives are more slave driver than doting wife. But it’s only my observation. Where I live russians and eastern euro folk are the largest immigrant group. Not only immigrant wives, of course. Like any it’s a culture w good and bad, very different than US culture. Both good and bad.
somewhat back on topic;
RPG,
The world is full of stories about Russian women and I have been hearing them for years. They are all second or third hand. I have to wonder if a lot of this is story telling to discourage the guys from fishing in the next pond? We know what American women are like. From what I have seen, American men come away not wanting to even socialize with American women after going overseas. This goes deeper than sex.
A new post at Spawny’s there is
https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2018/05/15/what-a-letdown/
@ Fuzzie these stories are told to me by the husbands themselves. I am not saying Russian women are worse or anything, just that the culture are very different and that can be an issue in and of itself. Not that our culture is perfect by any means. I wish you much happiness, that was not meant to be personal and sorry if it seemed so.
BBC misses the mark often it does.
Telling this would be
Fuzzy,
“The world is full of stories about Russian women and I have been hearing them for years. They are all second or third hand. I have to wonder if a lot of this is story telling to discourage the guys from fishing in the next pond? We know what American women are like. From what I have seen, American men come away not wanting to even socialize with American women after going overseas. This goes deeper than sex.”
Interesting reading to say the least. I am happily married to a Middle Eastern lady so some of these comment really tickle me! The difference of how marriage, family and man/woman relationships is viewed is totally unlike anything you will find here in the West.
RPG,
It is not so much about finding and marrying a Russian women. It is about telling American women that they can’t get away with treating their men as badly as they do indefinitely. The first one to tell me these stories was my housemommy in California who took half my take home in rent for a room. She was quite a story teller.
Larry G,
Thank you for the support. There is one thing to be said that is indisputable, marriages between Americans and foreign women divorce at a rate of twenty percent. Normal is fifty percent. The Swiss kept different records for men and women. Between Swiss men and foreign women it is fifteen percent. I think they buried the statistics between Swiss women and foreign men.
whoa! i’ve missed something in going about my life today! 147 comments! okay … i’ll go back and try to read thru at least some of them 🙂
Kentucky Headhunter
If were going to be honest, I just want to have sex with gorgeous 18 year-old girls, who are also excellent homemakers/cooks, and I would have at three in the house at all times. And I would trade them in for new 18 yo’s every year. Just being honest.
LOL!
ye-ah … if we’re all just going to be honest . . . !!! LOL!!!
ih8lookingback
I am not sure what we are considering being honest about.
Her having the knowledge allows her to be honest with herself…which is a better place for her. She realizes her instinctive draw to each, and, if she is able to master her want, she may become satisfied with one mate.
being honest with ourselves is HUGE, isn’t it. and then mastering ourselves, bringing discipline to our own lives, so that we’re not flagrantly chasing after elusive *wants* simply because we have them.
redpillgirlnotes
She has never heard of “the wall” but she does see that the guys who used to chase her no longer are, and she’s now chasing them, unsuccessfully.
i had never heard the term “The Wall,” either, but i instinctively knew it existed when i was younger. i remember being in my marriage and thinking that he was ignoring me during my best years, knowing that staying with him meant giving up those best years to someone who didn’t want them … but also knowing that this was the choice i made.
If were going to be honest, I just want . . .
World Peace!!! I just want … World Peace!!! LOL!
🙂
did i win?! 😉
Actually Ame world peace will be supposedly crafted by the antichrist and followed 7 years later by the rapture, prophesy says, so careful what you wish for! 😉
LOL Ame!!!
Many times I write posts to spark these discussions. I think it’s so good for the guys to weigh in, show their side of the story and how it’s viewed by the other half. Eye opening the comments can be! I hope people following along read them as much as the posts!
LOL, Stephanie! that was a fun movie 🙂
you do a great job, Bloom. i really, REALLY appreciate and value the comments from the men, too 🙂
LOL! you are SO right, Bloom! World Peace WILL happen … just not the way the world thinks it will 😉
Ame – “i remember being in my marriage and thinking that he was ignoring me during my best years, knowing that staying with him meant giving up those best years to someone who didn’t want them … but also knowing that this was the choice i made.”
Ame, do you know what that was ??? Its called HYPERGAMY … the un-ending nagging doubt that you can do better. Many women give in to this and it ends up ruining everything for them. That’s one of the reasons why the patricarchy and marriage was set up … to prevent women from acting out they’re hypergamy … or at least making it very difficult for them to do so.
Know what’s kinda weird … and most women don’t realize this, even Red Pilled women … but men don’t suffer from hypergamy. Just don’t. Once married, most men accept what they have and quit looking. In fact, most men know that “a bird in the hand is better than 2 in the bush” … so they bend over backwards trying to make it work … even when they shouldn’t. They put up with tons of shit, shit that should cause them to walk away … but most don’t.
I think Bloom has even called this “wife goggles” … where a man looks at his wife and sees someone who is far better than she really is.
Mega – my Husband i’m married to now has the thickest wife goggles there are, i think! lol! and i adore him 🙂
i think you’ve commented to my first husband before … and i don’t need to convince you otherwise. but i think i’ve gained enough respect out here for that there are many who believe me, and a few who know me outside the anonymous blogging world who know even more, and who know what i say is true.
not all guys are good. not all make good choices. my first one made a lot of seriously bad choices, and i still stood by him. like Bloom’s ex, mine could go for months and years without touching me (and no, i won’t give details, but yes, i made sure i was available to him daily) … all the while i had men hitting on me, and he knew it b/c i told him, and he didn’t care. that still did not give me freedom to cheat on him or to be unfaithful to him. i married him. the end. but i did wonder what it would have been like to have been married to a man who wanted and enjoyed me, as my Husband now does. and it’s very nice, indeed. still, i was in my 40’s when i met and married this guy, and i wish he’d have known be back when i still had that 20’s body! lol! sigh. he loves me anyway 😉
i honestly do not know if i would have wondered the same if i’d been married to a man who wanted me and enjoyed me during my 20’s and 30’s. i can’t answer that b/c i didn’t experience it.
Back to Vixen … RPG mentioned that she had her last kid at age 40. And that’s a huge problem for her in dating … even before I was Red Pilled … I knew that was a huge red flag. What man her age wants to have to deal with a teenager when he’s pushing retirement age … a teenager than ain’t even his ? So even desperate blue pill beta men … usually know to stay away from a woman like that. Even if they are in it only for the sex.
I don’t know her specifics but lets just say she’s now 45 and has a 5 yr old. Her target age group for men should be 45-50 … wanna know how many men in that demographic want to deal with a 5 yr old when he’s pushing 50 ?
But its even worse, really. You might excuse a 17 yr girl getting pregnant … by “accident” … but a 40 yr old woman … who’s already a mother “forgetting” to use BC ? Or even worse … got preggy deliberately at age 40 ? Why ? Because time was running out ? Did she ever thing about how that would affect the kid ? Or the father ? Did she ask the father if he wanted a child ?
In another thread we talked about women and “lack of self control” and here is a good example. Bad for her. Bad for her hubby/boyfriend/father. And really bad for the kid. AND SHE DOES IT ANYWAY. So … as a man evaluating her .. how else is she going to fuck her life and if I get involved with her … fuck up my life ?
A woman who has a history of bad life decisions … is usually one to stay away from, just sayin.
As to what will happen to Vi8xen, she has turned to online dating. That means she is out of options, her pipeline is empty. The problem with online dating is that women have made such a mess of it for men that it won’t work for them. If it won’t work for men, how can it work for women?
Ame … we are going to have to agree to disagree on your first hubby. The truth is … and I’m “really into the truth”, lol. The truth is … I don’t believe you. I don’t believe any of the #metoo bullshit. I think its all just lies and false allegations. ALL OF THEM. So I’m not picking on you. I don’t believe any of it. When women tell stories about horrible men and all the horrible things they do … I don’t believe them; any of them.
See, women, in addition to hypergamy, have a weird way of being able to brainwash themselves. And, yes, I learned this in my divorce … with my Ex … so very first person, first hand experience. Women will convince themselves that some horrible thing happened and THEY ARE THE VICTIM. When they aren’t and things didn’t unfold quite how they claim they did. But they think they are the victim and will swear under oath that all this horrible shit happened … when it didn’t at all … at least the way she claims it did. Its all in her own head. But they believe it 100%.
For example, my Ex claimed for years that her father was an abusive asshole who berated her the entire time she was growing up. Abusive and neglected her … world’s worst father. Abusive towards her mother too. World’s worst husband. Her parents lived over 1,000 miles away so we didn’t get to see them very often … a couple of times a year. But over the years I got to know her father and he seemed like a pretty decent guy. Then one year we were visiting over the 4th of July and he invited me to play golf with some of his buddies. He’d retired from the post office years before but kept in touch with his buddies who still worked there.
Long story short. He’d had the same friends for over 40 years. They still kept in touch. And still played golf once a week … nearly 10 years after he retired. They loved him and he loved his friends, they got along great. As for being a husband … he was married to her mom for nearly 50 years before he passed away from cancer. Was always good to her as far as I could tell. Got along with all the rest of the extended family. And neighbors … never a problem to anyone as far as I could tell.
After the golf episode … I actually confronted my Ex one time. “Honey, you know … your dad actually seems like a pretty decent guy to me …. and I just don’t see how you can think he was abusive, he doesn’t seem like that to me …”. And she tried to dodge … that he’d changed and mellowed over the years and wasn’t as mean now as he used to be. I was skeptical. And then all doubt was removed when we got a divorce and she made the same claims about me. That I was some sort of abusive asshole, swore on the bible and under oath … in court … that I was an abusive monster who berated her constantly … AND NONE OF IT WAS TRUE.
One note for the women here: men are figuring out that your lies and cries of abuse are many times not true and are beginning to lose their effectiveness. Its not just me. Many men just plain don’t believe you anymore. Call it an unintended consequence of #metoo.
See … I remember Bill Cosby. Tall, good looking, smart, extremely charming, and rich as fuck. Millionaire. Celebrity. Do you think he’d have to drug women to get them to sleep with him ??? Really ?? A guy like that would have women lined up. Most celebrities, movie stars, rock stars, athletes, the rich, and the powerful. Men like that … don’t HAVE TO DRUG WOMEN TO GET SEX … and they get it for free; women throw themselves at them, they don’t even have to work for it. Men know that … cause that’s the way it works. The #metoo movement is going to have huge blowbacks … men refusing to work with women for fear of accusations, women not getting opportunities … the glass ceiling just got much thicker glass thanks to #metoo. I think the #metoo movement is probably the best thing ever for the anti-feminist movement cause even blue pill, whiteknight men realize most of it is nothing but lies and bullshit. Sorry … IT DIDN”T HAPPEN AND I DON”T CARE HOW MUCH YOU CLAIM IT DID. YOU GOT EVIDENCE ? THEN, NO, IT DIDN”T HAPPEN. But for men … a #metoo accusation could happen to you. Sure could. Doesn’t matter how blue pill you are … all it takes is a woman to convince herself you did something bad and make an accusation and your life is over. Think about that for a minute … what man wants to put himself in that position ???
So anyway, Ame … you can continue to believe your Ex was SATAN INCARNATE … I will continue to believe he probably did next to nothing wrong.
You ain’t changing my opinion. And I ain’t changing yours. So lets just agree to disagree.
@ame it’s a common thing w personality disorders to put the wife in this weird “no touch” zone. Then often they are meanwhile cheating w others. I don’t know if that was so in my case but I often wondered… it’s a version of the Madonna/whore thing.
True Fuzzie, before she’s always dated wi her social circle, mostly people from high school who maybe had a past Vixen fixation, kinda like wife goggles? . Seems she’s run out of takers there after this last love triangle that went on waaaay too long.
@mega please let’s keep it to the general topic, in this case Vixen’s situation. Thank you! 🙏
@ Fuzzie in addition she’s never done the online dating thing. I suspect she’s in for a big eye opener. Huge reality check.
RPG … I know you don’t discuss your personal life much here … but since I’ve spilled my guts … can you elaborate a bit ? Are you saying the same thing happened to you ? Your Ex refused to touch you or have sex … like Ame ? Just seems really, really strange to me … outside my realm of experience … a man not wanting to have sex with his own wife and who prefers being celibate or cheating. Just doesn’t make sense to me. Is that some sort of mental illness in men ? Seriously, never heard of such a thing …
Oops, posted my last comment before the request to stay on topic. So never mind … none of my biz anyway.
Be glad you have never heard of or experienced it Mega, it’s a very painful experience to be rejected by your own spouse. And yes, for weeks or months at a time. Over many years.
My ex was also an alcoholic (sober now thank goodness) so that may have been a factor too. If he wasn’t actually cheating he did have a “girlfriend” — vodka! 1/2 gallon a day in the end.
In many many other ways he’s a good man and w age has conquered many of the demons he was running from then due to unresolved childhood stuff, and for that I am thankful for him, his daughter, his new family, and (now further removed) myself.
I already answered. It’s all good!
This explains it pretty well: https://www.lisaescott.com/2012/02/19/understanding-narcissists-madonnawhore-complex
@ame check out the link I posted, it may help explain what was behind your ex’s behavior…
Back on topic … Fuzzie … as for online dating … you are making a mistake … a classic one. Men and women are not equal. Online dating doesn’t work for men; that doesn’t mean it won’t work for women. Its not the same thing.
See for every woman in online dating there are tons more men. And most of those women are fat; which men don’t find attractive and want nothing to do with. And most women on these sites are stupid and broke, etc … not what men want. According to Bloom, Vixen is still pretty attractive and charming in a way; lots of experience with men will do that. Just ask any stripper, lol, they know men and how to manipulate them, butter them up to get what they want. So … if she puts up a profile and makes it attractive to men (which she will) … she’ll get tons of responses. If all she wants is casual dating or sex … she won’t have any problem getting that.
Commitment/Marriage is a different thing, of course. If she went on eHarmony … she’d probably not have much luck. But on Match.com or something like that … if she has 1,000 men vying for her attention … could she find just one to take the bait … even with all her baggage ? Truth is … maybe or even probably. She might find someone … her odds would be better than your average man, for sure. She’d have to lower her standards of course. A little bit or maybe a lot … but could she find someone ? The answer that nobody wants to admit … is probably, yes.
So it sucks for men. But can it work for women ? Yep, it can. And that is why online dating exists as a thing and why they cater to women.
Mega,
I don’t know. The last time I was able to take a rough count of men and women in my age group and area on OkCupid, it came down to eleven men for ten women. What magnifies the presence of men is that they are sending out more messages than they could deal with if they came back. I think that eHarmony gets around this by sending out eight profiles a month to each subscriber. Any message will be genuine.I still think that I am right. If it doesn’t work for men, it can’t work for women eventually. The men will leave.
***tears***
Yeah I’d think much like woman’s unchecked hypergamy ruins her marriage…a man’s alcoholism is a big factor in ruining his marriage. They both have the same root…selfishness.
The worst part is I had an aunt and uncle who had this toxic combination…and my cousins were the ones who suffered most from it.
That … was … awesome. He was pretty quick on his feet with that. I wish maybe he could have said something on the phone about now they could cash the lottery ticket, why didn’t “Babe” come over and they’d start looking for houses in Hawaii.
I bet for at least 50% of married men getting a letter like that would be a dream come true.
Professor Moron really lives up to her name in this one.
Horseman,
If my wife every tried to test me with a letter like that. I would pack her up and send her home to dad, on the spot. There would be no explanation I would accept for that crap.
If she’s going to shit test…might as well make it worth her while.
She’ll either learn to stop doing that…or find herself alone.
Agreed.
Vulcans never bluff.
Mega, I agree with you about the #MeToo movement. It is ridiculous. I am from a different country and often wonder what the supporters of #MeToo would do or how they would survive in another culture with actual injustice and abuse. They would be grateful for American men.
As for men denying sex or rejecting their spouse – yes that does happen in the US. Most often its about that man’s internal issues, mental health problems, etc.
To me the question is “Why Cant’ We All Just Get Along?” lol…. I don’t see why feminists can’t see the value in men actually being men and masculine and creating civilized cultures where there’s order, etc.
Oh and as to The Handmaid’s Tale, I DO believe that idiotic book written by a die-hard feminist was trying to just scare women into believing that:
1) Religion is all based on oppressing women to the point of rape and regular abuse (no voice or female opinions) and
2) Men truly hate women deep deep down. Especially religious white men. Do not trust religious white men. If they ever gain power, they will rape you and oppress you and take away all your “rights.”
Thank you Stephanie. I had not read the book. A skit about it on SNL peaked my interest. I watched 3 episodes and was traumatized. I read that the author wrote every episode – so it is very true to the book. It was like America had deteriorated into Afghanistan …
@ Stephanie, good insight that the message is w/o feminism ALL women would be abused, oppressed, and have zero say. Of course that’s a scary thought, but it’s not historically accurate. Yes there are and always have been bad men who do bad things, but by FAR the majority of men love women and are good to them and make their lives easier and better. Feminism takes the worst case and assumes that’s ALL cases, and it just isn’t. It’s fear mongering.
all those many years ago when i was in therapy and dealing w/the stuff my dad did and my then husband, to whom i was still married … my male therapist said to me, “Ame, they are just one man, they are not every man. Not every man is like that.”
it was a great and powerful lesson not to lump everyone into the same camp as what i personally have experienced.
and i’ve learned he was right. very few men are bad – that doesn’t mean there are no bad men, it just means that most are good, and honest, and truly do care.
@ame I hope the article helped explain where some of that was coming from. I know I internalized it, like there was something wrong or repulsive about me. But as that says it’s kinda the opposite, he saw me as so good I could never be “bad” like that. A weird compliment to us, although I am in complete agreement better to be seen as a complete person and treated so. We both likely selected the familiar, someone else conditioned us it was “normal” to be treated so one dimensionally and conditionally. Breaking free of that and friends/family/coworkers/etc. who operate like that has not been easy for me but has been so worth it!
“I watched 3 episodes and was traumatized. I read that the author wrote every episode – so it is very true to the book. It was like America had deteriorated into Afghanistan …”
I’m sorry, Love. I believe it’s supposed to leave you feeling completely and utterly traumatized, and as if this could really happen (so it’s supposed to leave you really afraid and worried for the future). One of the big deciding factors of them making and filming those episodes right now, even though the book is over 30 years old, was because of Trump’s election win. The people behind it, even some very prominent female actresses and actors, really believe that something like that is in our future… due to white, Christian men who supported Trump.
That last sentence should really get to y’all.
I mean, these people in the entertainment industry, they are completely taken in with the idea that religious white men are the evil, uber-oppressive, group out there seeking to destroy US government.
BUT at the same time, they’re totally fine with the REAL enemy of these Islamic jihadist invaders taking over Europe, and now America. Islam is much closer to being capable of achieving the end goal of The Handmaid’s Tale, they’ve done it before historically, and they’re trying to do it again.
But it’s amazing how these women and the Left in general, can’t see that for what it is.
There are women RIGHT NOW who actually believe that The Handmaid’s Tale is possible and could happen with a bunch of religious white men taking over the US government and imposing horrific humans rights violations on ALL women in our country. To me, thinking that way sounds like “Trump Derangement Syndrome” LOL – but apparently they see it as realistic.
Sadly some women today, right now, ARE living the handmaid’s tale. But like you say not bc of “evil white men.”
Bloom, I’m not sure what you mean. The Handmaid’s Tale is where a country is taken over (the US) and Christian white men segregate and categorize all the women in the country into different, very specific and strict, roles. The handmaids are basically sex slaves, much like ISIS did to the Yazidi women, except with more “ceremony” and less brutality maybe.
I’m sure there are women living lives of abuse or in very small religious cults (not counting Muslim countries where it’s WAY more widespread), but it’s pretty rare for a country to be taken over like that by a strictly religious group, and then have that kind of female oppression.
The only religion who has ever done that before on that kind of scale, has been Islam.
As a child I lived in a culture that had transformed just like how the US did in the book. Luckily it was not as harsh as Afganistan but it was bad. The episodes really hit home for me. The only difference is my boogymen are not white christian men.
yes, Bloom, it definitely does help. it hurts. it’s sad. but it’s also freeing. really freeing. it’s hard not to internalize that stuff, and although i’ve worked really hard to get those lies out of my system, sometimes they’re triggered again (grrr). the good thing is that i can recognize them quickly now and turn around and quickly kick them out again. my ‘new’ Husband has been HUGE in helping me with all this.
my girls are actually my biggest cheerleaders! i never blamed their dad, and they didn’t even know he was the one who filed till recently – i knew that kids didn’t care who did what, to them both parents hurt them. so i let it be for them what it was and didn’t try to manipulate anything in my benefit.
but now, when i start to get sad about it all, they sternly say to me, “Mom! I know my Dad, and there is NOTHING you could have done to make things better. You did everything you could. So stop that!”
🙂
i’ve got GREAT kids!
(and no, they do not know everything. one knows a little more than the other b/c she flat-out asked, and given her personality, she needed to know the truth about certain things b/c her imagination was driving her nuts. the other’s personality would be very happy to live the rest of her life not knowing anymore details, and that’s just fine with me. the one who knows a little more – both my Husband and i have told her she needs to keep that to herself and not tell her sister unless her sister asks. she has honored that and will continue to do so.)
Love – that’s so scary and tragic. i want to live in a bubble and think we’re protected, but i guess that’s naive.
@ame kids are way more hip to stuff than we give them credit for. I also never bad talk or say anything negative. Both my girls are on their own hip to who’s there and who’s just sayin’. Unconditional love trumps conditional any day.
@ame and love stuff can shift on a dime. Look at Venezuela. We must be ever vigilant.
Exactly Stephanie, the yaziidi and others, sex traffic and sex slaves, maybe it’s not exactly the same bc at least in the tale there’s some pomp and circumstane about it. Instead it’s just as impossible and inescapable but a lot worse. Happing now. Every single day.
That’s the thing — here we are in the West vilifying men for microsgressions and claiming rape culture etc. and women are marching demanding more rights when in fact they have more rights than almost any women ever on the planet and yet what do they want? More. How much do they march, rally, protest, think, or give toward saving women suffering actual handmaiden level oppression? None.
It’s like the non-oppressed are claiming increasing nuances of victim hood while meanwhile those truly and hellishly oppressed get zero help.
It’s not #MeToo, it’s more #AllAboutMe.
I could rant on and on. Thing is, to those marching in pink hats, don’t just talk about oppression. Help the more oppressed. Or if not that, at least shut it and stop appropriating their true, legit victim hood.
Ok rant over. Breathing deeply… the smallest light illuminates the darkest darkness but no amount of dark can ever overcome light. Thank God for that.
Entitled women w first world problems? Check yourself.
I pray daily for all who truly live oppression and misery in brothels and such, and experience a life that must be a living hell on earth. If your family has not sold you to prostitution, as so many, too many, have been — be thankful.
If you want to help someone, help them. Buy a sex slave’s freedom. And her kids too. Send them money every month. Even $30 that to you is lunch and a latte could be to them…. everything….
As a woman born in America, I must admit I can only imagine the horrors women in war torn zones endure. TG I have not lived what they do daily.
What we really need is more love. Not in some hippy dippy way, but true real love.
Most feminists find more meaning in being offended and attention whoring it rather than actually helping out their fellow woman who is actually oppressed.
It’s easier to think you feel oppressed than to actually have gone through it and lived it.
Matthew 6:5 “And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 6 But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.[b] 7 And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.
8 “Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him. 9 In this manner, therefore, pray:
Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
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Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.
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Give us this day our daily bread.
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And forgive us our debts,
As we forgive our debtors.
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And do not lead us into temptation,
But deliver us from the evil one.
For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.[c]
14 “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.