I felt this quote shared by commenter Alan Kardec was worthy of making a post of its own. He says:
A great quote from Kevin Williamson: “It was not the invention of the birth-control pill, or the adoption of no-fault divorce, that hollowed out marriage: It was that we became the sort of people who desired those things. We became — Western civilization became — the kids who flunked the test in the famous Stanford marshmallow experiment, unable to resist immediate gratification and, having stripped ourselves of the cultural basis for understanding the distinction, unable to tell the difference between pleasure and happiness.”
What do you think? Please share in the comments.
Notes From a Red Pill Girl 
Is this a red pill of or a things I thought of today blog?
@ just a guy yeah I know I have been slacking… feel free to suggest some topics! I could use some inspiration!
You might want to “mine” some of the comments over at Spawny’s for fresh ideas
Great post
Progression of AF to BB in pictures:
It was that we became the sort of people who desired those things.
i hadn’t thought of no fault divorce this way till i read this quote, but the reality is that the default has always been that we, women especially, have desired what we could not have … and then blamed it on something/someone else. so it’s not that we’ve become this sort of people, it’s that it’s our default.
Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’” “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
Wow, George’s pic Progression of AF to BB was moving. I still don’t understand how people post their life on social media, through such dramatic events. The level of class, self respect, and need for discretion has flown out the window. Not only do they not hide their private life, they advertise it. I truly feel sad for that young woman. I’m sure she was in love with her ‘baby daddy’. Looks like he went MIA as soon as he needed to step up and accept responsibility. I sincerely hope she knows how lucky she is to have this new guy. I hope she’s not just advertising him to get back at the baby daddy. Though I doubt he would care.
Btw – the baby daddy is NOT an Alpha male.
“Btw – the baby daddy is NOT an Alpha male.” Maybe not to you, but to the woman in the photos, he most certainly is.
“so it’s not that we’ve become this sort of people, it’s that it’s our default.
Yeah, I never saw much evidence of a patriarchy. But I saw a gentle matriarchy, consisting of grandmothers and great aunts, that curbed the excesses of younger women. Without them, many women default to those excesses, and eventually many of the men join them.
I suppose an Alpha is in the eye of the female beholder. Just like that thirsty cuck simp on the right was seduced by her good looks to the point of hamster rationalizing raising someone else’s kid as his own. Oh the horror that awaits him.
‘patriarchy’ is an interesting term, and the perception of the term is as varied as each, individual’s experiences.
a true patriarchy, imo, is one where the husband knows his place – under the authority of Almighty God and over his wife and children.
there is actually a ‘patriarchal cult’ within the ‘christian’ world where they have taken Gen 3:16 that says a husband shall rule his wife without also taking Ephesians 5:25 that says a “25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her” … and totally ignoring Eph 5: 26-27 that explains why a husband should rule his wife and love her: 26 to make her holy, cleansing[b] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.
this patriarchal cult stirs under many names but always under ‘biblical authority.’ it abuses ‘rule’ by making it a cruel owner/slave type relationship with no love or compassion. when you take the love and compassion out of ruling, you have to use something to manipulate/control your subjects, so anger and multiple forms of abuse are used. but what makes it so devastating is that this group does so in the Name of God, taking upon themselves the role of God rather than subjecting themselves to the authority of Almighty God before ruling their wives and children. (this is what, imo, commenter Dawn experienced growing up.)
within a true Patriarchy, where the husband knows and understands he is under the authority of Almighty God and rules accordingly, his wife submits to his authority … then there is, imo, a place for a healthy matriarchy among the women. older women take leadership roles among women, teaching them how to be women, wives, mothers – attitudes … behaviors … creating a positive culture of shame and acceptance based upon expected, modeled, and taught behavior. sort of like a sub-culture within a culture. the men rule, and according to how respectful and obedient the wives are, they are given a degree of latitude to manage the women and children.
this would be different, imo, to a matriarchy where the wives believe they are the ruler of the man, the marriage, and the home, without any authority above them. when this happens, as history has proven and the bible so clearly shows, women keep pushing the boundaries and don’t know how or when to stop.
are there women who, without a clear authority above them, choose to rein themselves in under authority? sure. absolutely. but, in general, the crowd of women without authority becomes unruly, selfish, self-serving, narrow-focused, manipulative, man-demeaning, and quite destructive … as feminism has proven.
my guess is that we won’t see many real Patriarchal relationships out here b/c the manosphere is a place where wounded men come to be awakened to the Truth, aka the Red Pill. it takes a long time to learn true Patriarchy and to establish such an authority. by that time, those men have usually moved on to rule their homes.
i would guess that, simply because you and your Beloved wife had such a long and beautiful marriage, that you had a patriarchal relationship – whether it was hard or soft would be irrelevant b/c it worked.
Ton definitely is the Patriarch of his clan, and in his personality, it is a hard patriarchal role rather than a soft one. Horseman, though he does not believe in God, has a patriarchial role over his wife. so does Larry G.
i have a life-long friend who has been married for 30 years in a real “patriarchial” marriage. her parents model this, and her father is the head of their ‘clan.’ within that, her mother is the matriarch of their family ‘clan.’ and while she wields much authority, she is always under her husband’s authority first, and her daughters are always under their own husband’s authority before hers (or her husband’s). however, her influence among the women of her clan, which is quite large (4 children, 20+ grand-children, and multiple great grands), is extensive and undeniable. and her husband has no qualms about approaching any of the men in his ‘clan’ if necessary.
That is very interesting the AF/BB photos. I think it is a prime example of how women may not be able to discern the difference between a Cad and an Alpha. And this is why in years past male members of the family would screen suitors, as men can see thru this much more clearly. Just as women can spot the BS factor in other women where men may get hoodwinked time and again by a harpie. The guy in the second set of photos actually has all the potential to be a top 20% guy. He’s handsome, fit, has the motorcycle, etc. So it is likely that he has been taught to be a beta, that “that’s what women want” or some such that has undermined his potential. Otherwise he likely would have picked a less complicated situation. BC he could have. Maybe he’s virtue signaling? But I am sure both know deep down, this is not winning. He’s certainly a catch, she could have done far worse. She is also on the upper end of attractive, so she was likely more able to sustain the baby momma SMV/MMV hit that a gal in the same situation who is a 5, for example, could not. She could have done much better of course, easily probably snagged a true top tier guy, had she been more selective and protected her SMV/MMV better. She pretty much could have had her pick. So moral of the story — maybe it looks like it “worked out” for her to other gals, she’s really got some factors in her favor that buffered what would otherwise been a fatal blow to her MMV. 4 out of 10 babies born today are born out of wedlock. Most of those gals could only hope to have an ending like this. A beta who is easy on the eyes is far better than a lifetime of being pumped and dumped by guys similar in character and the poor provision/protection level of her ex, or worse. I know it is unlikely that she sees how darn lucky she is to have him and how good she should be to him (rather than think she’s the prize). And hopefully she’s listening up while she’s in the pew, reforming her ways, and leading a chaste and honorable life, influencing other gals to make better choices, truly walking the walk not just talking the talk. Of course all this is speculation, but I think we have all seen it enough times IRL to know, these assumptions are not so far off what we have seen play out time and again. Luckiest of all in this situation? The child who really could have had a disastrous life had her mom continued on the path of sexing it up with the bad boys, living for the tingles
It’s more likely that he’s clueless and she’s living it up w all the props she may be getting for being such a “brave survivor!” than what I just described. Thing is society and pop culture is reinforcing exactly what this gal illustrates — she’s living the Kardashian dream, or trying. Maybe she wised up and got married and will thank her lucky stars but more likely she will be “unhaaaaapy” in a few years (or less) and will be skirting around or blowing up her good thing. If he’s lucky, she’ll do it before they have a child together.
@ Love, he is not IMHO a true Alpha, but a cad. But as GLA says look at her body language in the first set of pics — she’s REALLY into him, his body language already shows indifference (I wonder if she had a distant or non-relationship w her dad?) She’s not nearly as despretly leaning into her husband in the second pic. Sure it looks good from the street, but it’s not the same level of intensity as the first set of pics.
4 out of 10 babies born today are born out of wedlock.
so heartbreaking 😦
To me, the term patriarchy referred to a family system like that of the early Hebrews, the last that we saw such were probably in the early Roman republic, where the father’s decision could mean literally life or death. Through the 50’s and much of the 60’s, a husband and particularly a father were still accorded considerable respect. That gentle matriarchy that I referred to lasted through the same era. Feminism eroded both, which was why my wife truly detested it.
MsSexInTheValley, infamous youtuber and writer at wannabe jezebel rag Thirty And Dirty; the gift that keeps on giving;
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“I still don’t understand how people post their life on social media, through such dramatic events. The level of class, self respect, and need for discretion has flown out the window.”
I don’t either, Love.
Weird stuff. There’s that middle message, “I know it’s someone hiding behind their phone, but words hurt I’m doing the best I can, yada yada…”
So, where is this person posting her personal stuff?
Obviously somewhere very public, inviting commentary (hoping the masses will call her strong and fierce and awesome and brave I’m sure).
Social media is a blight.
Probably one of the seven plagues in Revelations.
I agree Liz. There have been studies that prove an hour or more of Facebook causes depression.
From what I can see of the baby’s age, this lady was not single for long. She probably ‘suffered’ being a single mom and ‘worked her ass’ off for less than 5 months.
And probably riding the carousel the whole time…
RPG I have a post idea that you might consider. It is ‘should we all completely abandon the Internet’? The Internet is the root cause of all the hatred,antagonism,that we see today. It provides a worldwide platform for cranks,weirdos,fanatics,bigots,termagants,troublemakers and agent provocateurs to cause no end of trouble 24/7.
In addition the Internet actively promotes atomisation while giving the impression of social connection. None of you here have any real meaningful relationship with each other. You are just names on a screen,how do you know that the person(s) you regularly engage with online are who they say they are?
I am just so sick of the Internet! At first I wearied of the feminists and SJWs etc. Then I came to see that the PUAs,MRAs,Mgtow,red pillers,traditionalists,Alt-Right,Christians,were,in the own way,every single bit as tiresome and ridiculous as their opposites.
I am weary oh so weary of the bottomless negativity,the race,gender and class chasms that the Internet has opened up and spread all around the world!
My recommendation is to get off the Internet for good as I sincerely believe that the Internet in the short term has greatly undermined our peace of mind and will in the long term drive us to civil war or at the very least induce a mass mental breakdown in large sections of the world population.
Aren’t you sick and tired of the wall-to-wall childish trivia on the Internet? Aren’t you exhausted by the endless conspiracy theories where people are desperate to convince you that all your and the world’s troubles are caused by the joos/women/men/conservatives/liberals/the patriarchy/the decline in Christianity/trans-people/homosexuals/the Illuminati/Freemasons/Muslims/the Vatican/immigrants/little green men?
All this is exhausting and debilitating and will either drive you to become anti-social and violent and drive you quite mad in the long-term.
“‘My recommendation is to get off the Internet for good as I sincerely believe that the Internet in the short term has greatly undermined our peace of mind and will in the long term drive us to civil war or at the very least induce a mass mental breakdown in large sections of the world population.”
But…you tweet. And you’ve provided a link to your twitter page.
“The Internet is the root cause of all the hatred,antagonism,that we see today.” There was a fair amount of hatred, etc, prior to the Internet…I do believe that Nazis were preaching hate against Jews and Communists were calling for the killing of ‘kulaks’ long before there was an Internet, to mention only two examples. (It’s worth noting, though, that the Nazis made very good use of the then-new technology of radio for their propaganda purposes.)
I do think that the metaphorical ‘Global Village’ enabled by telecommunications technology, and particularly by the Internet, has some of the unpleasant characteristics of the real, traditional village. See my post Freedom, the Village, and the Internet:
https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/54775.html
That I can agree with 100 percent, David.
But the random, “everyone needs to stop using the internet! And btw here’s my twitter page!” Reminds me a bit of those celebrities that jet and limo from place to place to tell the world to stop using fuel.
Off topic, but I got to put this somewhere:
https://www.wired.com/story/inside-all-female-trek-to-north-pole/
Why do we need an article when a group of women do what has already been done before? By glancing through the article it looks like they did a fairly poor job of it. Maybe they could have just hired a female Inuit (you know, a female that know how to survive that environment) to plan and conduct it for them. Could have saved them a lot of trouble.
Is this a big deal because only women did it? If so, why is that important? Aren’t they sexist just by going out of they way to point out that no males were present?
How many logical loops do I need to create to for this story?
Why? You dare question the empowered female penis envy, male-wannabes??? They were a few ice blocks short of a complete igloo, granted…but damn…
“Is this a big deal because only women did it? If so, why is that important? Aren’t they sexist just by going out of they way to point out that no males were present?
Hell, they actually risked FREEZING THEIR TITS OFF, man! Now THAT is newsworthy, eh?
I have an older male coworker that is a nice guy yet has no filter what so ever. He says whatever is on his mind. Definitely not PC. I believe he may have ADHD or Aspergers. He is very intelligent and helpful yet can say things that are off the wall. I mostly ignore or laugh it off.
We have 2 new female coworkers, one younger and one older. Both have gotten quite worked up about him. They tried to recruit me into their group, asking what things he’s said to me. I tried to explain to them that he means no harm and I think his words are said unconsciously. They got mad at me for ‘trying to diagnose him’. I was surprised at how angry they are.
Someone suggested that if they don’t like his jokes, they need to be direct and tell him to stop. But the younger one wasn’t hearing it. I think she is ready to report him. For a statement that was not even that bad. He made an observation about her attire.
They have labeled him as privileged and entitled. I seriously think they are misunderstanding him.
It is interesting how the ethnic folks on the team are not bothered by him.
“Maybe they could have just hired a female Inuit (you know, a female that know how to survive that environment) to plan and conduct it for them.”
That would be cultural appropriation.
Hmmm, sadly from my experience, neither male nor female Inuit have retained much of their traditional knowledge or skills. If one was to discover a female Inuit with that insight, I suspect she would advise that given the possibility of encountering polar bears, they secure a lot of dogs and several males with the ability to use firearms ;-D
InsanityBytes has an interesting post up that addresses this subject, but from a different angle. Find that post here
IB provides a link to a recent document put online by John MacArthur that many ministers are signing. That document, re a Biblical view of social justice activity, is an interesting read also. I left a comment there.
bleh. My link above takes you directly to my comment there. I intended to link the article, not my comment. Scroll up and read from the top, or click here
Interesting thread, Richard.
I think Citizen Tom has it right, as usual.
I don’t disagree with what you stated. IB seemed to like it a lot more (though it wasn’t much different from what Citizen Tom wrote)
‘They got mad at me for ‘trying to diagnose him’. I was surprised at how angry they are.’
You went against their already maded up hivemind…I figured you should know what happens when you do that. Plus you gave a man the benefit of the doubt which is against what feminism teaches the young ladies these days.
There is a new post at Spawny’s
https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2018/09/08/carousel-damage-part-i/